No Oppo Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

[rines]

ASADA’s star witness won’t play ball on Essendon allegations

• CHIP LE GRAND
• THE AUSTRALIAN
• OCTOBER 14, 2014 12:00AM

THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is yet to convince its star witness, peptide importer Shane Charter, to provide testimony against 34 current and former Essendon players accused of taking a banned substance.

Lols.. if this wasn't so farking serious it would make a great comedy sketch.

So let me get this straight. ASADA's case now has:
Charters - SUPPLIER. Claims he sourced TB4 ingredients on behalf of Dank, along with other items, but does not know if they were for EFC or another purpose. Also has stated numerous times in the media that he doesn't believe the EFC players were given anything banned. Apparently is reluctant to testify.

Hooper - HYPERBARIC CLINIC. ASADA have suggested that TB4 injections may have been done at his premise. Hooper has denied such claims and provided records of what was administered at his premise. Hooper has declined to assist ASADA and refuses to testify.

Dank - DESIGNER. Has not been officially interviewed. Claims that TB4 was never sourced for EFC Players and instead Thymomodulin was used. Has repeatedly claimed that the program did not breach WADA code. Has not agreed to assist ASADA in any way and has vowed to fight to defend his program.

Alavi - CHEMIST. Agrees that some vials marked 'Thymosin' were delivered to his premise. Denies making compound TB4. Denies supplying TB4 to EFC. Claims that Dank picked up the vials marked 'Thymosin' and later claimed they were destroyed. Originally did supply the club with an invoice for the vials, however reversed that invoice BEFORE the ASADA investigation, after realising the product was never meant, nor arrived, at EFC. Alavi is apparently in the same boat as Charters, reluctant to testify and claims that nothing he compounded for Dank directly for EFC breached WADA code.

Wow.. that is sure blowing me away. Bulletproof right there. For sure.

Heck it appears they haven't had a SINGLE person actually be prepared to state that TB4 was prepared, let alone given to players. This is a disgrace.

 

[rumply]

Lols.. if this wasn't so farking serious it would make a great comedy sketch.

So let me get this straight. ASADA's case now has:
Charters - SUPPLIER. Claims he sourced TB4 ingredients on behalf of Dank, along with other items, but does not know if they were for EFC or another purpose. Also has stated numerous times in the media that he doesn't believe the EFC players were given anything banned. Apparently is reluctant to testify.

Hooper - HYPERBARIC CLINIC. ASADA have suggested that TB4 injections may have been done at his premise. Hooper has denied such claims and provided records of what was administered at his premise. Hooper has declined to assist ASADA and refuses to testify.

Dank - DESIGNER. Has not been officially interviewed. Claims that TB4 was never sourced for EFC Players and instead Thymomodulin was used. Has repeatedly claimed that the program did not breach WADA code. Has not agreed to assist ASADA in any way and has vowed to fight to defend his program.

Alavi - CHEMIST. Agrees that some vials marked 'Thymosin' were delivered to his premise. Denies making compound TB4. Denies supplying TB4 to EFC. Claims that Dank picked up the vials marked 'Thymosin' and later claimed they were destroyed. Originally did supply the club with an invoice for the vials, however reversed that invoice BEFORE the ASADA investigation, after realising the product was never meant, nor arrived, at EFC. Alavi is apparently in the same boat as Charters, reluctant to testify and claims that nothing he compounded for Dank directly for EFC breached WADA code.

Wow.. that is sure blowing me away. Bulletproof right there. For sure.

Heck it appears they haven't had a SINGLE person actually be prepared to state that TB4 was prepared, let alone given to players. This is a disgrace.

well no wonder they need more time to shore up/bullet proof their case

 

[Lance Uppercut]

ASADA’s star witness won’t play ball on Essendon allegations

• CHIP LE GRAND
• THE AUSTRALIAN
• OCTOBER 14, 2014 12:00AM

THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is yet to convince its star witness, peptide importer Shane Charter, to provide testimony against 34 current and former Essendon players accused of taking a banned substance.




Chip Le Grand ‏@Melbchief 51m51 minutes ago
Headline not quite right. Charter probably will testify but intriguing that ASADA hasn't locked in its key witness.

is this real life?

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Should've just taken the original SCNs to the tribunal and pointed out that it was just Lorem ipsum the whole way through.

 

[Jade]

Should've just taken the original SCNs to the tribunal and pointed out that it was just Lorem ipsum the whole way through.

Hmmm. Yes.... Hmm.

*hits google*

Hmmm. Yes.

 

[DapperDon]

**** sake.

And we get called incompetent. **** these campaigners, time for these jokes to front up or we start threatening law suits. If after 2 ****ing years they are still trying to convince someone to be a witness then they can go **** themselves. They have ****ing nothing, they know it, we know it.

So ****ing angry with this news.

 

[IggypopsTshirt]

Another unanswered factor is the use of thymomodulin at Melbourne Footu club. Dank must have sourced, procured and possessed the stuff because the Dees version of events have been accepted. The claims from ASADA that there is no purchase trail for thymomodulin highlights that they are either/both full of shit and/or actually have NFI.

 

[DapperDon]

Hmmm. Yes.... Hmm.

*hits google*

Hmmm. Yes.

Google took me to this.

http://slipsum.com/

Thank you Lord Nic, thankyou.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Should've just taken the original SCNs to the tribunal and pointed out that it was just Lorem ipsum the whole way through.

worst wireframes of all time

 

[carnthedons]

Should've just taken the original SCNs to the tribunal and pointed out that it was just Lorem ipsum the whole way through.

MS Publisher 1997 FTW

 

[bacon buster]

Should've just taken the original SCNs to the tribunal and pointed out that it was just Lorem ipsum the whole way through.

maybe more like this

http://baconipsum.com/

 

[Pweter]

**** sake.

And we get called incompetent. **** these campaigners, time for these jokes to front up or we start threatening law suits. If after 2 ******* years they are still trying to convince someone to be a witness then they can go **** themselves. They have ******* nothing, they know it, we know it.

So ******* angry with this news.

Let's not forget that it's EFC's fault that this dragged out beyond 6 months, hence Paddy wanting out.

 

[rines]

I love that the Age is now reporting that Ryder did not 'admit' to taking Thymosin. Ahhh I see.. so all the ex-players are 'cleared' and those who are leaving are 'cleared'.. so if you stay at EFC you must be 'guilty' right...

Funny that news about Winderlich not getting a SCN only came out after a possible trade deal...

I see.

 

[DapperDon]

Did anyone admit to taking Thymosin though?

All we know is that "it sounded familiar" but not sure if anyone went "Yep, I took that"

 

[rines]

Did anyone admit to taking Thymosin though?

All we know is that "it sounded familiar" but not sure if anyone went "Yep, I took that"

no. not that we know of.

In fact charters is the only one who claims it was even TB4.. and he says Dank 'asked about TB4 dosages, and asked him to source the materials... but Charters does not believe it was given to the players...

it is odd stuff really

 

[efcboy]

This is why I am suprised that ASADA is re-issuing the SC's before the completion of the Federal Court. Especially when the next Fed Court hearing is November 10 and there may be no decision on the appeal this year. And this is another reason why i don't understand Hird's appeal.

The only thing ASADA can use to potentially link players to use is their testimony. Hence why Hird is appealing - I don't understand why the club didn't

 

[efcboy]

A clause in the contract will over-ride everything - And if the players still want Hird after they are suspended, then say are more stupid, then I can ever imagine.

I'd say its stupid to potentially label the players stupid as they would know a lot more about what occurred than you.

 

[rumply]

Should've just taken the original SCNs to the tribunal and pointed out that it was just Lorem ipsum the whole way through.

According to Patrick Smith this morning, the 'new improved' show cause notices will be approx 100 pages long & means that fast tracking this thing will be an impossibility given the tribunal will need to examine each & every notice. Unless of course a deal is cut, which seems unlikely...maybe...

 

[efcboy]

Another unanswered factor is the use of thymomodulin at Melbourne Footu club. Dank must have sourced, procured and possessed the stuff because the Dees version of events have been accepted. The claims from ASADA that there is no purchase trail for thymomodulin highlights that they are either/both full of shit and/or actually have NFI.

Fits the narrative to justify spending millions of tax payers...

 

[efcboy]

I love that the Age is now reporting that Ryder did not 'admit' to taking Thymosin. Ahhh I see.. so all the ex-players are 'cleared' and those who are leaving are 'cleared'.. so if you stay at EFC you must be 'guilty' right...

Funny that news about Winderlich not getting a SCN only came out after a possible trade deal...

I see.

When Caro thought Licha was going to be a tiger she had his SC withdrawn....

 

[efcboy]

According to Patrick Smith this morning, the 'new improved' show cause notices will be approx 100 pages long & means that fast tracking this thing will be an impossibility given the tribunal will need to examine each & every notice. Unless of course a deal is cut, which seems unlikely...maybe...

Given natural justice has been delayed and denied with multiple leaks surely the lawyers make absolute certain there are zero provisional suspensions. Thinking ASADA threaten provisional suspensions if deals not taken - however I again see no justice in this.

 

[rines]

I am starting to wonder whether the club is 'trading' with the few of being covered in the unlikely event of bans.. or to give the players the 'option' of deals.. If you look at our 'possible' doomsday team with the inclusion of Giles, Cooney and Gwilt. Assume that Ryder is traded for #17 and Ambrose is upgrade. Also allow that Raynor could be played off the Rookie List and that Winderlish, Fletcher and Zaka are all 'uneffected' by the SCN's.

That would leave our team:
Back Six: DVU, Fletcher, Hams, Winders, Gwilt, Ashby
Undersized and lacking one tall but Fletcher and Gwilt could work in tandem in the key posts. Experience is there with 3 older guys and Ashby acquitted himself well this year. DVU the weak link but Hams is a hardworking player that should hold down a back pocket if required. 6/10

Forward Six: Chappy, Ambrose, Aylett, Kommer, JD, Fantasia
Other than lacking Carlisle, which EFC played without several times this year, the key talls in Ambrose and JD could work well up front. Ably supported by experienced players Chapman and Kommer. Fantasia showed glimpses in his rookie year to suggest that he can handle AFL level. Goals would be hard to come by, but that was also the case in 2014. 5/10

Midfield: Giles (R), Edwards, Z Merrett, Gleeson, Goddard, Zaka
Young, but highly talented group. Lead by two A graders in Goddard and Zaharakis, this midfield could hold its own against some of the weaker clubs. Edwards was a touted pick up that didn't get a chance in 2014 but has shown enough to suggest he could be a handy player. Gleeson and Z Merrett are youngsters that will be pushing for Midfield spots in any EFC line up for the next five years. Giles acquitted himself in a #1 ruck role before and could do the job again. 8/10

Interchange: Cooney, Raynor, #20, #17
This is where the pain would begin, with no relief for an already undersized team available. Cooney provides a touch of class but the bench would be young and weak outside of him. 2/10

Overall it would be a competitive side that will fall short against most clubs however won't be disgraced entirely. Is every chance of minimising damage to % and maybe even snagging a win if the cards fall right. Overall it would be about a 6/10 team for mine.

Really all that is missing in 2 more KPP. So I am starting to wonder whether the club does have this in the back of their minds.

 

[efcboy]

Don't think recruiting has anything to do with potential bans. It was clear as day we need a 3rd defender better than Steinberg given Fletcher's likelihood of only playing 50-75% of games and Pears injury woes. They solve this by bringing in Gwilt. We needed him regardless of any other potential problems.

Cooney is a classy user and could be a handy small forward with bursts in midfield. Is there a need for this? Yep has been for a while now hence they brought in Chappy last year.

If Ryder leaves clearly we need a ruckman so again none of these moves has anything to do with possible suspensions. They are list mgmt moves which would be done any year.

 

[lysp]

ASADA’s case is that raw materials for Thymosin Beta-4 imported by Mr Charter from a large Chinese peptide manufacturer were compounded by Mr Alavi and provided to Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank.

"Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank"

or is it

"Health clinic operator Stephen Dank who was also hired to consult for EFC".

If EFC was his primary and only job - i can see a possible link. As he has many other businesses on the go at the same time, it's a long bow.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Given natural justice has been delayed and denied with multiple leaks surely the lawyers make absolute certain there are zero provisional suspensions. Thinking ASADA threaten provisional suspensions if deals not taken - however I again see no justice in this.

ASADA can't threaten provisional suspensions. It can be implied, but they can't use it as a threat. Whilst it is the "default" option it is entirely in the hands of the AFL. I don't quite know how the AFL would feel about it, but my gut says that they wouldn't be too keen on allowing provisional suspensions to stand for players who haven't been found guilty given it would wreck games; yet having said that who knows, as one of the concepts behind a provisional suspension is kicking off your penalty at the earliest possible date