Are Port Overrated?

[Tas]

I don't think Trengove excels as a utility type and it would do only but good for him and port if he stays a permanent key defender. With Westhoff it gives him more freedom to be that utility type then having to be taken down with ruck duties.

I think Trengove is a very good and underrated defender, I think Trengove being freed up more would be a positive.

I am not sure how much it is going to help the Hoff, Wines had more hitouts than he had. The important thing, hopefully for Port, is Port wont need Wines, Ebert, Hartlett and Polec going up as a third man in the ruck as often as they had to this year. It must be hard to win the stoppage or clearance when you are going up in a ruck contest.

 

[eth-dog]

I think Trengove is a very good and underrated defender, I think Trengove being freed up more would be a positive.

I am not sure how much it is going to help the Hoff, Wines had more hitouts than he had. The important thing, hopefully for Port, is Port wont need Wines, Ebert, Hartlett and Polec going up as a third man in the ruck as often as they had to this year. It must be hard to win the stoppage or clearance when you are going up in a ruck contest.

When Trengove went into relief ruck Westhoff went back to cover.

 

[mike123]

When Trengove went into relief ruck Westhoff went back to cover.

And guys like Neade, Wingard, Monfries had to play at full forward.

 

[Tas]

When Trengove went into relief ruck Westhoff went back to cover.

How much are we talking though, a couple of minutes a quarter or so? It will have an impact because the relief ruck is going to be a helluva lot better than it was and cause less disruption to the side, my point is if the midfield dont play competitive four quarter efforts then I think they will be find it difficult to win a flag or even get a top 2 spot to get the home finals. If the midfield does step up then they probably could have achieved success with their existing team.

I just don't think Ryder is the miracle man in the outfit. Handy no doubt because he is a quality player.

 

[Wargreymon90]

How much are we talking though, a couple of minutes a quarter or so? It will have an impact because the relief ruck is going to be a helluva lot better than it was and cause less disruption to the side, my point is if the midfield dont play competitive four quarter efforts then I think they will be find it difficult to win a flag or even get a top 2 spot to get the home finals. If the midfield does step up then they probably could have achieved success with their existing team.

I just don't think Ryder is the miracle man in the outfit. Handy no doubt because he is a quality player.

isnt that the case for every side?

We are not some side that was in need of a miracle man to save us. Without him we would have probably still be around the mark. But like you said, he is a quality player and will improve our side immensely.

 

[Tas]

isnt that the case for every side?

We are not some side that was in need of a miracle man to save us. Without him we would have probably still be around the mark. But like you said, he is a quality player and will improve our side immensely.

My series of posts started from someone who claimed Ryder would be the difference who didn't think the 2014 list was capable. I just feel natural progression is more of a factor given the age and experience of the players.

 

[Traveling_Power]

Ryder is a great get, yes. But he isn't the miracle power supporters now believe him to be. Can be very flaky and go missing. Big confidence and emotion player.

I hope it all works out well, but don't hang him out to dry if he doesn't deliver week in week out because some of you think he's the messiah.

Yes Ryder is a great get .. and I will be interested to see what Burgo can do with him in getting him a lot more fitter

 

[Chewy316]

Some players who excel as utility type players sometimes do not function as well when forced to play a specialised role. You can say I think it might bring the best out of Westhoff and Trengove, but it might not.

I think Ryder is a very good player and a great get, but who knows, maybe Lobbe gets hurt, maybe the new structure doesn't work. An AFL team in particularly ultimately successful AFL teams are massively complex beasts with many moving parts, ones that often rely on luck as much as design for success. To say one player will make the ultimate difference from top 4 to premiership is a long bow imo.

Correct, but no one is saying that Ryder is the sole reason that Port can make the jump from top 4 to premiership contenders in 2015.

Look at Port's list: so many young players, who, as most would expect, are no where near their peak yet:

Hombsch
Jonas
Broadbent
Trengove
Pittard
O'Shea
Polec
Wines
Wingard
Neade
Ebert
Moore

That's 12 players in the prelim final from this past season who at the time were 24 years old or under.

Guys like Boak and Gray are going to give you the same stuff every week. It's the likely improvement in these dozen players as to how Port can go a step beyond top 4 to serious premiership threat.

As for Ryder, he's just going to help the structure out a bit, providing relief for Lobbe. Not going to need to be a match winner by any means.

 

[the_interloper]

No idea what the odds are but would be worth getting on Port for next year's flag for sure.

 

[tangolikelama]

Correct, but no one is saying that Ryder is the sole reason that Port can make the jump from top 4 to premiership contenders in 2015.

Look at Port's list: so many young players, who, as most would expect, are no where near their peak yet:

Hombsch
Jonas
Broadbent
Trengove
Pittard
O'Shea
Polec
Wines
Wingard
Neade
Ebert
Moore

That's 12 players in the prelim final from this past season who at the time were 24 years old or under.

Guys like Boak and Gray are going to give you the same stuff every week. It's the likely improvement in these dozen players as to how Port can go a step beyond top 4 to serious premiership threat.

As for Ryder, he's just going to help the structure out a bit, providing relief for Lobbe. Not going to need to be a match winner by any means.

 

[Croweater]

Where are you going with this, Lama?

 

[tangolikelama]

Where are you going with this, Lama?

 

[PortBrillance]

Yes, sorry that I've stomped on the Port love fest. Should I start a thread titled 'Are the Crows a darkhorse for 2015' on the MB, and see how many Port supporters flock to it?

Considering your team won't even make the 8 next year, you'd probably get shot down. Not just by Port supporters, but also supporters of other clubs. Have a read through this thread, the vast majority are non-Port supporters talking up our chances. You constantly go on about adding a sense of "reality" to this "Port love-fest", well the reality is this; Port Adelaide are a genuine premiership contender next season and beyond. Stop being a biased mug and accept reality.

 

[Jason K]

Yes, sorry that I've stomped on the Port love fest. Should I start a thread titled 'Are the Crows a darkhorse for 2015' on the MB, and see how many Port supporters flock to it?

Go start that thread luv. Just put (Adelaide supporters only) in the title and you will be sweet. You might even find someone that agrees with you.

 

[Jason K]

I could see them slip a bit if they don't get another golden run with injuries next season.

Golden run with injuries? Yeah righto pal.

 

[Kram]

Golden run with injuries? Yeah righto pal.

Yep you had very few injuries.

 

[GetInMyVanBerlo]

Yep you had very few injuries.

Would've been top 4 without injuries to Carlile and Trengove

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Biggest myth of 2014: port had a golden run with injuries

 

[Wargreymon90]

Most top sides have good runs with injuries. Hawthorn are the exception this year. Which makes them winning even more impressive

 

[Jason K]

Yep you had very few injuries.

Got anything to back that up or are you just trolling? 2 of our 3 rucks out all year including a premiership ruckman. Sam Colqhoun out for most of the year with knee (was becoming regular 1st 22 in 2013), Campbell Heath out for most of the year with a knee (was regular 1st 22 in 2013), Full back and CHB out at the same time, big run of 2-4 week ankle injuries to Hartlett, Boak, Monfries and Polec. Matt White's groin, Wingard's foot...

Myth busted.

Sure Hawthorn's injuries were on another level, but we were hardly kissed on the dick

 

[Asgardian]

I like our chances, but like every side, things have to come together often & at opportune times.

 

[philreich]

Considering your team won't even make the 8 next year, you'd probably get shot down. Not just by Port supporters, but also supporters of other clubs. Have a read through this thread, the vast majority are non-Port supporters talking up our chances. You constantly go on about adding a sense of "reality" to this "Port love-fest", well the reality is this; Port Adelaide are a genuine premiership contender next season and beyond. Stop being a biased mug and accept reality.

Maybe BACCS is David Penberthy, who has often moaned and groaned on Adelaide radio about the amount of positive press Port has received in recent times

 

[seysearles]

A huge percentage of posters on this site have Port finishing top 3 next season. Im just curious as to where this level of optimism is coming from?

Is it the Preliminary final when they pushed Hawthorn all the way?

Their mid to late season form in the H & A seaosn this year was ordinary. Losses to Collingwood, Essendon at home, Richmond and Adelaide made for a very patchy run home. They won 4 from their last 11.

Yes they had a great finals series, but i don't think that's enough to put them in the top category of teams.

Whats with the optimism?

The hysteria around Port at the moment reminds me of us after winning the 2008 grand final. We will see how they go. They have a pretty good list (although not the best list imo) and are very well coached. A lot will depend on whether the younger players can back up on their breakout years. I wouldn't be surprised to see them contend but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised to see them fall away to lower end of the 8 either.

 

[GHS33]

Got anything to back that up or are you just trolling? 2 of our 3 rucks out all year including a premiership ruckman. Sam Colqhoun out for most of the year with knee (was becoming regular 1st 22 in 2013), Campbell Heath out for most of the year with a knee (was regular 1st 22 in 2013), Full back and CHB out at the same time, big run of 2-4 week ankle injuries to Hartlett, Boak, Monfries and Polec. Matt White's groin, Wingard's foot...

Myth busted.

Sure Hawthorn's injuries were on another level, but we were hardly kissed on the dick

Out of those rucks: Redden is a battler, and the ‘premiership ruckman’ Renouf is a spud.
Sam Colquhoun is a 19 year old fringe player.
Campbell Heath was another fringe player and now delisted.
Really, Port’s run with injury in 2014 was pretty sound.

 

[GHS33]

Correct, but no one is saying that Ryder is the sole reason that Port can make the jump from top 4 to premiership contenders in 2015.

Look at Port's list: so many young players, who, as most would expect, are no where near their peak yet:

Hombsch
Jonas
Broadbent
Trengove
Pittard
O'Shea
Polec
Wines
Wingard
Neade
Ebert
Moore

That's 12 players in the prelim final from this past season who at the time were 24 years old or under.

Guys like Boak and Gray are going to give you the same stuff every week. It's the likely improvement in these dozen players as to how Port can go a step beyond top 4 to serious premiership threat.

As for Ryder, he's just going to help the structure out a bit, providing relief for Lobbe. Not going to need to be a match winner by any means.

I dare say you could probably add Hartlett and Impey to that list.