Sport The Hangar Cricket Thread IV

[Yoda_]

They're so bad they're making Rogers look good.

I resent this statement.

Chris Rogers has proven he can play to this level. Test match batting is a battle within yourself let alone with the opposition for a prolonged period of time.

 

[Yoda_]

Just for the record BrunoV, fully expect James Pattinson (injury permitting) will become the best of all the young quicks (Cummins, Behrendorf, Haelwood, Starc, Paris, Rainbird are two more to watch, people frapping over Gurinder Sandhu which I don't quite understand but including him for accuracy).

 

[Yoda_]

Faulkner doesn't penetrate enough for Test cricket, but Hazlewood isn't a great bat. Cummins is a good bat.

Averages 24 in first class Cricket. I agree that he doesn't have enough weight behind the ball to be a front line bowler but he would be close.

Faulkner is a deffensive bowler relying more on batsmen error than offensive bowling. Will wait and see how he goes at the world cup (line and length is more important in 50 - over cricket than 6 different balls in T20 cricket that he generally bowls) to make a full judgement. Not going to deny that his batting is becoming more than a "bowling all rounder", he has a true batting technique but is he in the best 6 bats in the competition to warrant that 'all rounder' spot at 6? Perhaps not.

Long term, Marsh is seemingly on the right trajectory to become one of the top 6 batsmen in the country. With the ability to bowl some handy overs he could be a useful player in a couple of years.

 

[eth-dog]

To be fair to Watson, Cricket Australia are in the process of slowly fazing in up to 4 new batsmen in the next 18 months (Rogers, Clarke, Watson, Haddin).

yes, Sydney would have been a good opportunity to blood another test batsmen, Cricket Australia have always been complacent about blooding multiple new batsmen in the same team. When would that have happened (top 7 players)?

Until someone throws there hand up for that number 3 spot Watson stays OR Stephen Smith moves to number 3 (S.Marsh > 4) and the two new guys (Joe Burns + whoever or two new batsmen) play at 5 and 6.


For the record, Id be seriously considering Callum Ferguson. The bloke oozes class, is the leading First Class run getter in the shield this season and has experience at international level already (25 ODI innings averaging 41).

In the longer term, really, really happy that Peter Handscomb is back in the fray. Selected in the Prime Ministers XI to play England in an OD warm up match (captained by Mike Hussey) in what could be a big audition for higher honours (Maxwell is also playing FTR).

Handscomb, BrunoV's call of Chris Lynn and a smokey, South Australian youngster Travis Head are three guys to keep an eye on IMHO.

White is better than Ferguson when the pressure's on, and also has a better FC record despite his home ground in England being a good seaming pitch.

 

[Yoda_]

White is better than Ferguson when the pressure's on, and also has a better FC record despite his home ground in England being a good seaming pitch.

Luckily maturity is a wonderful thing eth. Ferguson is making runs. so to White. Ferguson is cashing in (3 hundreds this shield season).

 

[eth-dog]

Luckily maturity is a wonderful thing eth. Ferguson is making runs. so to White. Ferguson is cashing in (3 hundreds this shield season).

Ferguson is also choking when the pressure is on, duck in the second innings vs NSW where they lost by 170-odd runs, 4 in the second innings vs Victoria where thy lost by an innings, 11 in the second innings vs Tasmania where they lost by 300-odd runs.

 

[Yoda_]

Ferguson is also choking when the pressure is on, duck in the second innings vs NSW where they lost by 170-odd runs, 4 in the second innings vs Victoria where thy lost by an innings, 11 in the second innings vs Tasmania where they lost by 300-odd runs.

Oh well, lucky for him he would have more seasoned players around him to be the run getters.



I was so disappointed that Handscomb got injured when he did (broken finger), would have been spoken about as a serious test aspirant if he had played all the games to date.

 

[Doss]

Spent a bit of time in an Auckland pub yesterday watching Kane Williamson and BJ Watling first completely subdue and then later feast on Sri Lanka's bowlers.

When they came together they were only 24 to the good with five wickets left. Now Sri Lanka will be lucky to save the Test.

Williamson is a gun.

 

[Phone]

if we drop watson, we wont get to enjoy watching watson get out

 

[Jesse Custer]

Yeah thats awesome. Watching our number 3 batsman fail time and time again is something to enjoy.......

 

[eth-dog]

if we drop watson, we wont get to enjoy watching watson get out

We will if we watch Shield cricket

 

[Phone]

watson doesnt strike me as the type to hang around in shield cricket once his test hopes are done. and once he's dropped i doubt he's got much of that.

 

[BrunoV]

if we drop watson, we wont get to enjoy watching watson get out

You make an excellent point.

 

[Phone]

brayshaw has spent a lot of the summer talking about how the wife of commentator (X) has cooked/needs to cook well.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

To be fair, he now has to fill the hours of airtime usually filled by Chappelli's Dhoni rants.

 

[Jesse Custer]

India were supposed to be aggressive this test weren't they? Where did that go? Going down without raising so much as a whimper.

They're already focusing on the one day series and world cup.

 

[BrunoV]

We should ensure that any one day match we play against India is played on a green seaming deck.

Pick Cummins, Starc and Pattinson and blast the shit out of them.

The only reason this has been a competitive test series is because we've basically produced Indian pitches. Kohli made a handful of runs in a test series in England. They have maybe 1 decent fast bowler in the country so they're not exactly getting exposed to good bowling. I don't see how their batsmen are as good as Ian Chappel thinks they are.

 

[Jesse Custer]

That's not going to happen Bruno. One day formats are all about run scoring, not wicket taking.

 

[Pweter]

That's not going to happen Bruno. One day formats are all about run scoring, not wicket taking.

More specifically, cricket now is all about this



Unfortunately lots of wickets mean quick matches. Quick matches means less advertising. This means the aim now is to keep the batsmen out there so a test goes for 5 days, a 50 over game has 50 over innings, and a T20 has 20 over innings.

It's a shame as I still love watching a brutal spell of fast bowling, a spell of quality swing bowling, or a mesmerising spell of spin bowling. The downer is they all can result in a glut of wickets so the aim is to lessen the odds of these bowling spells occurring.

 

[Despair]

Loving all the people laying the boot into Watson because it is fashionable.

Try naming a better batting all-rounder we can pick?

Try naming a batsman post-Ponting that has been better at 1st drop?

 

[eth-dog]

Loving all the people laying the boot into Watson because it is fashionable.

Try naming a better batting all-rounder we can pick?

Try naming a batsman post-Ponting that has been better at 1st drop?

When fit M Marsh is better. We don't know because he's the only one who gets a chance there.

Watson is a mediocre player who only gets selected because he's channel 9 and the selectors love child.

 

[Despair]

When fit M Marsh is better. We don't know because he's the only one who gets a chance there.

Watson is a mediocre player who only gets selected because he's channel 9 and the selectors love child.

lol Mitch Marsh, are you high? He averages less than 30 in first class cricket with the bat and his bowling doesn't seem to offer anything that Watson's doesn't.

"We don't know because he's the only one who gets a chance there." - Doolan, Hughes, Khawaja - all have batted at 3 and were less successful, not to mention none of them could bowl either.

 

[eth-dog]

lol Mitch Marsh, are you high? He averages less than 30 in first class cricket with the bat and his bowling doesn't seem to offer anything that Watson's doesn't.

"We don't know because he's the only one who gets a chance there." - Doolan, Hughes, Khawaja - all have batted at 3 and were less successful, not to mention none of them could bowl either.

Yet has outperformed Watson in both tests they've played. Have you watched him at all or are you just going on stats? Mitch Marsh is better than Watson now and in the future. Watson averages 38 batting at 3, a whopping 1 more run than Hughes did while he was there.

Shane Watson is the king of the dead rubber. There's a reason his average in the 5th test of a series is 16 runs more than his career average.

 

[BrunoV]

lol Mitch Marsh, are you high? He averages less than 30 in first class cricket with the bat and his bowling doesn't seem to offer anything that Watson's doesn't.

"We don't know because he's the only one who gets a chance there." - Doolan, Hughes, Khawaja - all have batted at 3 and were less successful, not to mention none of them could bowl either.

Who has been given a decent opportunity?

 

[BrunoV]

Yet has outperformed Watson in both tests they've played. Have you watched him at all or are you just going on stats? Mitch Marsh is better than Watson now and in the future. Watson averages 38 batting at 3, a whopping 1 more run than Hughes did while he was there.

Shane Watson is the king of the dead rubber. There's a reason his average in the 5th test of a series is 16 runs more than his career average.

Watson has one thing working in his favour. He is a seriously good bowler.

The farce at 3 should be ended though.