Who are the "un-booable" characters of the AFL?

[Scoopar]

Let's unpack what you mean by "flog" - what you are saying about welfare is bullshit and a preamble to an act of parliament by definition does not have any legislative force - one hundred years of Australian
Common law says so - remember when land rights was going to take the Hills hoist? That was a Murdoch myth as well

Agree Contra Mundum.
But unfortunately, you can't educate statues.

 

[Ugottabjokin]

Love to see a player of a 'white' heritage perform a 'white' heritage war dance and for it not to be seen as racist.
So how is Goodes performing his aboriginal war dance not racist?

 

[BORK]

The persecution thing does seem to bring out the best games in Goodes.

 

[GWBogan]

Adam Goodes

 

[shrekswamp15]

Dustin Fletcher is surely un-booable

 

[FreoRicci]

Gary Ablett? Really have nothing but respect for him, love the way how he goes about it, does get the odd free kick but that's part of it.

 

[Kummerspeck]

I should say - I hestitate to use the holocaust as an example but the attention to historical crimes is relevant

Here's an interesting one I've heard a few times growing up didn't want to bring up because of "POE'S LAW!!!!11"

"Not everyone at Nuernberg was a Nazi, but their presence helped those who were"

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/indige...e-aboriginal-communities-20150320-1m3jnd.html

You'll find the champ holding the sign gets the loudest cheer from Hawk fans.

Yeah, no disrespect, but a single social media post on an issue siding with popular support isn't the same as Goodes' commentary on Australian history.

Incredible for a club with an inherently racist supporter base isn't it!

I don't recall saying the Hawthorn supporter base is inherently racist.

 

[Nankervis brothers]

I didn't boo Goodes on the weekend, but his history of transgressions against Hawthorn players I think is the primary reason other supporters did boo Goodes (that went unpunished at the tribunal). Like you, I can't ask every supporter what their reason was, but to call it racist is utter nonsense considering that other (including other outspoken) aboriginal players represented both teams on the night. Hawthorn supporters also boo Stevie J as an example for the very same reasons.

Racism is a very serious accusation. Also, Goodes has been booed by hawk fans prior to the incident at the Collingwood match so that argument doesn't line up. It is incredible that a supporter base can be smeared so easily in today's media with little to no investigation or right of reply. Bring on the demise of print media if this is the direction it continues to follow.

I respect your measured post, but it's not 'nonsense' to call the booing racist. Look at the response on BF to his dance in indigenous round. Predictably he is being damned by the vast majority. He is hated because he is vocal about the racism of Australia's colonial past, in a way other aboriginal footballers aren't. He is hated for being a bit too proud of his heritage and 'aggressively' showing it. He had the 'audacity' to call out a teenager for calling him an ape. That is why he hated. It has nothing to do with free kicks. How else do you explain a man who has been brilliant on field and a role model off it, being booed every time he sets foot in Melbourne.

It is shameful.

 

[Scoopar]

I had great respect for Bruce & Ian Nankervis as footballers.

And 'Nankervis brothers' you do the name proud with your insightfulness. Good work.

 

[Nankervis brothers]

I had great respect for Bruce & Ian Nankervis as footballers.

And 'Nankervis brothers' you do the name proud with your insightfulness. Good work.

Cheers Scoopar, and agreed the Nankervis Brothers' were brilliant.

You get a good sense of how so many Australians still can't cope with proud aboriginals when you come on this site and read the endless trash posted about Goodes. Their anger about his simple dance tonight (during indigenous round, no less) is just more proof of this.

 

[dickballsack]

Love to see a player of a 'white' heritage perform a 'white' heritage war dance and for it not to be seen as racist.
So how is Goodes performing his aboriginal war dance not racist?

It's a good point in terms of how and why there's such a strong reaction to it. We are only 200 odd years old and are made up of a different country and then made it what it is. Which we should be proud of. But my point is, is that it's weird to see and were not used to it as were a sport played amongst ourselves but if you look at most other sports it's normal and acceptable, rugby obviously with NZ, soccer, Spain do their salsa, African countries usually do a war dance after a goal. Greece does one and even Tom Cahill does the boxing kangaroo as a salute to oz. my take on the particular incident is, is that it was a spur of the moment act directed at an opposition punter who was probably giving him shit during the game as normal. We shouldn't read too much into it but my point above is why I think people have reacted like they have.

 

[fishardansin]

Love to see a player of a 'white' heritage perform a 'white' heritage war dance and for it not to be seen as racist.
So how is Goodes performing his aboriginal war dance not racist?

Dear oh dear oh dear oh dear.

 

[Moonwatcher]

Anyone named Burns.

 

[Freomaniac]

I know this was before my time.... I dont think the likes of Trevor Barker or Bob Skilton were ever booed at.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I remember Essendon fans booing lecras when he kicked 12 at Etihad in 2012. No... Wait, that was Knights they were booing that day. (they were actually cheering for him that day. Was terrific from an opposition crowd)

I was at that game, first interstate match, was very special. Upon leaving the ground a young Bombers fan skipped past chanting ooh ahh Mark Le Cras. His Dad grabbed him by the wrist, swore at him to shut up, and dragged him away. Was very amusing! You're right about them booing Knights, I started talking to the Bombers fans next to me (who were all very friendly) and they hated him something fierce.

 

[jatz14]

Love to see a player of a 'white' heritage perform a 'white' heritage war dance and for it not to be seen as racist.
So how is Goodes performing his aboriginal war dance not racist?

Tadgh did an Irish gig, that count. Everyone thought it cute.

 

[jatz14]

I know this was before my time.... I dont think the likes of Trevor Barker or Bob Skilton were ever booed at.

They shouldn't boo Bob Skilton. It would be macabre for a start.

 

[WCE_phil]

Guy Mckenna, Blake Caracella, Paul Kelly, Dean Kemp, Lenny Hayes, Jimmy Bartel, Billy Brownless, Doug Hawkins, Jim Stynes.

 

[jesterwester]

IMO, I didnt have a problem with Goodes doing his dance, I think that's awesome he's able to show off his heritage like that.

What I didn't like was where he did it. It seemed (albeit from the tv coverage, so happy to be corrected if incorrect) that it was in a direct line straight at the blues fans. He could have done it anywhere else.

It's a highly charged game, the blues fans are at almost their lowest point, yet they came to support the club even when it was a likely flogging, and they were considerably behind when this happened. Why do that and taunt them further, in a game? It seemed to me like he wanted that reaction, to have the boos, as if to justify a victim mentality he has in his mind.

On the other hand, a guy is entitled to celebrate a goal anyway he wanted. But in the heat of the battle, I didnt like it so much. Just my opinion, anyway.

I would have been thrilled if at the end of the game, when the battle is over, to show the dance, grab Jetta, franklin, and celebrate their indigenous heritage.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I was at that game, first interstate match, was very special. Upon leaving the ground a young Bombers fan skipped past chanting ooh ahh Mark Le Cras. His Dad grabbed him by the wrist, swore at him to shut up, and dragged him away. Was very amusing! You're right about them booing Knights, I started talking to the Bombers fans next to me (who were all very friendly) and they hated him something fierce.

Was at that game also. They were booing Stanton, in play, when he shanked a kick at half back in the first quarter, and also when he came to the bench. Otherwise they were far more subdued than I'd expected.

 

[Back One Out]

I respect your measured post, but it's not 'nonsense' to call the booing racist. Look at the response on BF to his dance in indigenous round. Predictably he is being damned by the vast majority. He is hated because he is vocal about the racism of Australia's colonial past, in a way other aboriginal footballers aren't. He is hated for being a bit too proud of his heritage and 'aggressively' showing it. He had the 'audacity' to call out a teenager for calling him an ape. That is why he hated. It has nothing to do with free kicks. How else do you explain a man who has been brilliant on field and a role model off it, being booed every time he sets foot in Melbourne.

It is shameful.

This isn't racism though.

Let's say there is a percentage of people who think Goodes has been a flog in the way he has acted over various race-related issues
That doesn't mean people think badly of him because of his race. It's about him as a person (or the public persona)

If you were at a party and you were accosted by a militant, man-hating feminazi who got in your face and spoke some bullshit and you told her rack off, that wouldn't make you a misogynist, chauvinist pig.

 

[gutsroy]

Daniel Cross. Sensational leader, hard at it, and a very fair player. Hard to go past him.

 

[Tom Kerrigan]

Rowen Powell - I can guarantee that he has never been booed by a single fan at a single AFL match, ever.

 

[Iskender Time]

Plain vanilla types who behave to crowd expectations.

 

[Scoopar]

I know this was before my time.... I dont think the likes of Trevor Barker or Bob Skilton were ever booed at.

You are 100% right. The pre-meditated booing we see today just did not go on back in the 70's & 80's. It seems now days, large groups of fans go to the footy today with an agenda. There was hatred for the opposition back then, but nothing like the aggressive and incessant stuff that appears from the opening bounce as we see so regularly today. Eg: Leigh Matthews did some awful damage to a few players and attracted boos and heckled during the game involved, but by the time the next game came along we had moved on.

Bobby Skilton was universally loved. Incredibly courageous and copped a lot of attention. But at times, Skilts did milk the odd free kick, but more so by throwing the ball out in front and waiting for someone to grab his jumper. Daryl Baldock did it and so did Kevin Bartlett. It was probably Bartlett who took it to an art form and eventually the rules were changed. Bartlett attracted heckles about his aversion to handball, his hair, age, bouncing the ball to milk a holding the man, etc. But there was nothing like the mass booing from the start of a game we see at Sydney games for Goodesy.

It is probably a sign of the times and an extension of social media where undisciplined & boorish behaviour has flourished.