Yes, it is logical when making comparisons between other states and regions, which is what we are doing.
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The original issue was about the technicality over combining two regional markets into one to get the larger figure and an impression that technically isnt correct, but is correct in the broader state v state sense.
Which is what I meant by arguing semantics.
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Semantics matter at times.
oh, please! The NRL & Rugby League is intimately aware about how News Corp operate, and the telegraph have been bagging the NRL relentlessly since the ARLC took the game back and booted their News Corp lacky CEO. The power in these things is always with the content owners. If Murdoch has anyone to be blame it's one of your Commissioners.
Ex Commissioner and I wouldnt trust Samuel across the street.
I stiil think it is a very foolish organization that pisses Murdoch off ask the ALP.
If Murdoch really wants to put the boots into RL it will turn very ugly and he has 2 years to do it before the new deal kicks in.
Ex Commissioner and I wouldnt trust Samuel across the street.
I stiil think it is a very foolish organization that pisses Murdoch off ask the ALP.
If Murdoch really wants to put the boots into RL it will turn very ugly and he has 2 years to do it before the new deal kicks in.
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I really don't think Fox know how to react, they have for a long time had a sense of entitlement with rugby league and probably never expected the NRL to be so assertive. It is going to be very interesting to see how they respond, I don't think they really have to many options.
Maybe, but remember his mother lived to 101 so the old bastard might have a few years left.
I was referring to Kim Williams, he got punted from News for relinquishing the f&l rights for the NRL in the last deal that didn't expire until 2030. If News Corp still had the f&l rights the NRL would never have been able to make this deal with Nine.
Like I said, it's nothing new to the NRL.
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Sometimes you take a bold chance. You could say the same about the AFL when it told Seven to go away in 1986 after they didnt offer enough for the 1987 season. History shows that paid off.
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What? What difference does that make to the total dollar spend in a specific period?
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Wookie will know this but why is it seen that the NRL has fox over the barrel? I mean who else is there to bid when 9 has already taken all the best time slots and will no doubt be able to handpick all the best games?
Who would be be in the position to pay up big for the four poor games every week?
Who would be be in the position to pay up big for the four poor games every week?
This coming from the same poster who said the NRL has a bunch of guys in a room making sound effects everytime a player is tackled.
What's Murdoch going to do, try to start another Super League War? You realise that the NRL screwing over Fox like this is ultimately good for other sports fans in Australia right? Or are really so short sighted and unaware of recent history...
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You're embarrassing yourself.
They need to make a point of difference between themselves and 9. Why would anyone pay $50/mo for the four poorest games of the round when the four best games are live on FTA?
To make sure Fox don't lose a huge chunk of subscribers they'll need to try and buy the simulcast rights off 9.
There's also the fact that they'll be going from five exclusive games a week to four in the new deal. To get that fifth game back it's likely they'll try and convince the NRL to add two more teams to make nine games a round. The NRL will likely negotiate it so that Fox will be bankrolling the two new teams (Perth would open up another timeslot for Saturday games).
No-one will pay for 4 crap games a round but I'm sure a few will pay for every NRL game live (5 only on Fox) in HD, probably on a FoxNRL channel with Euro RL and NSW/QLD Cup matches and more analysis and talk shows.
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Yeh I understand that but if fox offer say 300m for the 4 stand alone games and pay the reported extra 125mil for the right to silmulcast the other 4 who in the market could match that?
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The Nine deal is so big (and doesn't start for two years) that the NRL can afford to play hardball, afterall, that Nine deal alone is almost as much as what they get now in total, and if the NRL do play hardball and said no to Fox (for any amount of money), Fox would just about go the way of C7 when it lost the AFL.
In short, NRL are in a very, very strong position - Fox either cough up whatever the NRL is asking, or it decides to close its doors earlier than it had anticipated.
I actually like rob's post from the previous page, where he speculates that Nine might be doing this to destroy Fox - what if Seven went down the same route? (obviously without colluding, wink, wink....)
We know traditional TV is on its last legs - we might have assumed that Pay TV would have survived longer because of live sport - but would FTA be able to extract a tiny bit more shelf life if Fox bit the dust? Doesn't it make sense that they would want to chase that live sport themselves rather than let Fox specialise in it?
Interesting times.
No, you're just to slow to understand the argument.
Murdoch is an idiot if he tries. people in the south really don't understand the NRL's hold in NSW's and Queensland
foxes saturation of the market in Sydney is massive, in fact the largest market for fox is Sydney.
If he gives them a s**t offer every game could end up on FTA with channel 10 or seven taking cheap offers to air the remaining games.
or other content providers that have expressed interest breaking into the sports market, it could the start of a transition to a proper digital pass.
try to understand the AFL does not exist in Sydney its largest coverage, almost only coverage is negative, NRL is not just back page news its often front page news and it gets more intense the further you go north by the time you hit brisbane you have nothing but Ex queensland footballers doing everything from radio ad's to reading the weather. You can barely get AFL coverage even on ABC grandstand. from march through to September there is only the NRL.
the people already hate murdoch over super league if he comes after the NRL particularly if he has no coverage its only going to cost him money.
The ads that are sold 'from Liverpool to Blacktown to Bondi' are the same ads because they are in the same market.
Unlike ads that are sold in Dubbo and Grafton because they are in different markets.
If you want to aggregate things then NSW is the biggest TV market followed by Vic, Qld, WA, SA and Tas.
As an aside you seem happy enough with semantics that suit your position.
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There may well be some give in the Fox money though. The thing is with Nine having wrapped up Origin, tests and special events as well as 4 live games a week in the desirable slots, theres almost no one to bid against Fox unless Google comes to the party. Fox may well just say well heres what we're offering for whats left, and throw some cash in for simulcasting - and that might not be as high as some people expect. They are losing an exclusive Saturday night and one of their biggest draws in Monday night by all accounts, and that might impact its outlook.
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And when the NRL say "no thanks" what do FOX do?
Looks like Fox will be paying a billion a week if thats the way the world works.
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When the NRL say no thanks...and no one else covers four games? Ok then. That'll happen.
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So you're saying the only option for the NRL is to accept the lowball offer from FOX?
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