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...he was asked about another sport, and gave a generic response. Nothing wrong with this:
And when your competitor is clearly lying you should call out the obvious sugar coating with the facts!

The sad fact is major news outlets esp in Sydney went with V'Landy's BS spin and it just shows what a free trip to Las Vegas for reporters will get you!
 
Neither who were tasked by their employers to cover the match, so all they did was write a few tweets or engage with the Australian media. Inman was the 49ers journo on the Jarryd Hayne beat back in the day, so he knew what the sport was - it wasn't representative of this initiative itself. He did some work for Australian clients, but not US ones.

Admittedly Merrick did reference the game as part of his sports news broadcasting but it hardly made a dent - all of them were promotional attempts before the game, and there was no follow up of the result itself, which shows that there was no effort by these bodies to actually put any effort into covering the event itself (as opposed to the NRL effort to push out its matches and fan fest etc. onto the local media).



Which led to what - not actually going to the game? What value is there in a random thought bubble in one of the millions of US-based sports podcasts that have a fractured audience and pumps out hours of content a week in which they'd be also having hundreds of thought bubbles?

A far more popular US sports podcaster, Pat McAfee (a former punter), has actually spend significant time on his far-more-popular US podcast talking about AFL, having Mason Cox onto the show, his interest in the sport spreading over several years and plenty of episodes. He's reacted to AFL playing that one week in American lockdown, the quality of the punting, etc. It's basically not led a dent to there being any popularity of the sport in America. Proving like things like this don't even matter.

Or they signed a five-year deal to get cheaper rent for the stadium. Who knows what other out clauses both that contract and the sponsor's contract has. I can't imagine Fiji Airways wanting to cover millions in business class costs if only (say) 10,000 Australians travel to the event, rather than 15,000, for a given year in the future. I also can't imagine the NRL wanting to lose $10 million over a five-year period even if the economics and travel of this event remains identical for the next 4 iterations.

But this event hit the bottom line by $2 million. Even if they had sold 20,000 more tickets at $10 a pop to sell out the stadium would have only dented $200,000 into the $2 million loss. There's basically no wriggle room to make the event more popular to Americans, which the TV ratings and other metrics such as social media suggest was barely a dent, without spending more millions on marketing costs.

Keep in mind that they got a lot of positive Australian media coverage because they turned it into a junket by paying for many journalists to go over there for a free trip. That would have also cost them tens of thousands of dollars. So either they save money by cutting costs (by flying fewer people over) but don't get the associated positive media coverage, or they have a natural ceiling with how much revenue they generate. This positive Australian media coverage in turn encouraged the very Austrailans receiving it to fly over there.


But what's the point of that? Can you base a long-term strategy on that? Logically it's not worth the cost to fly over dozens of players and rent out a stadium costing hundreds of thousands just because a few Americans found it interesting.

I can equally point to examples of Americans becoming familiar with the AFL in a variety of manner, such as finding the game in 2020 lockdowns. Doesn't mean it's worth anything.


And lastly, even if the tree sprouts, eventually, what actual value is that to the NRL? Even if some sort of established fanbase for the NRL is generated as a result of this venture - which I clearly don't believe - what value is there at games being played in the middle of the night? Standard Thursday, Friday and Saturday night matches - which take up a fair majority of NRL games - begin at times like 4am in America. Even if you could get an American fan into the game, they're not going to be monetised for content beginning at 4am in the same way that they would be for content beginning in prime time. They might be interested in the sport - hell even desire to fly themselves to a future Las Vegas game the following year - but they're still going to be worth nothing to the NRL as a fan because instead of watching or gambling on the sport they'll be fast asleep at 4am like any normal human being is.
That Merrick reporter have it a glowing endorsement in a interview. NY Post article was very positive also. If that you think is correct you hope nrl stay OK Vegas as it will fail. To think you know what's going to happen after 5-10 years Time is a stretch too far. Nrl is most watched league in Australia most social media followers made almost double profit then AFL so they can afford to take a risk like this.
The Kelce thing is a strategy I suggest nrl should use Jason is now retired and may have more time on his hands. Personally I love it when our sports are shown on a global level like afl in China nrl USA as I believe we have awesome sports that people should follow.
 
Unfortunately the AFL does need the Murdoch's ATM but a big problem coming down the track is when the old man dies is that Lachlan is not a friend of Australian Football but loves RL and no doubt when he eventually has complete control of News Corp/Sky News and Foxtel it will be a big problem for the AFL.

Hopefully when that time comes the AFL has other options apart from Foxtel to stream the matches and dump Foxtel.
Lachlan, who, unlike his father who never cared a jot for the game, is indeed an NRL nuffie and a personal friend of V’Landys. He also already has, since Nov 2023, complete control of News Corp/Sky News and Foxtel, with 93 year old Rupert now basically retired. This may well explain how the NRL Vegas games got to be broadcast on the prime sports channel on US Fox (only to bomb out very, very badly with viewers) -
 
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And when your competitor is clearly lying you should call out the obvious sugar coating with the facts!

The sad fact is major news outlets esp in Sydney went with V'Landy's BS spin and it just shows what a free trip to Las Vegas for reporters will get you!

Andrew Demetriou wouldn't be anywhere near as passive as Andrew Dillon has been.
 
This is a 5 year project ROI first year was never to be expected. Still needs tons of education and awareness. There are 4 Americans and 2 Canadians I work with all but one are nrl fans and all suggested nrl needs 10 years of investment to have sniff so wait and see in nrl willing to do that

The problem is the same problem the NRL has getting into Vic/SA/WA/Tas. If you don't grow up with the game it's hard to enjoy it as the skills are quite low and the game is very repetitive and slow.

Americans will never watch it over their own sports, even Soccer struggles for main stream attention.
 
Geez those american ratings are devastating for the NRL

Whatever sugar hit they got from flying half the journalists and editors in NSW and QLD to Vegas this year is not going to go close to making up for the losses over the next five years.

Comical
You should’ve seen the Daily Telegraph, Courier Mail and SMH yesterday put a real positive spin on them. It was cringeworthy. They went deep down a rabbit hole to find positives like comparing to College Basketball etc.
 
Dillon should stay out of comparing the AFL to other leagues. Just hold the line of controlling what they can control, and let other codes look after themselves.
If the AFL started to do things in response to other codes, IMO it would be taking its eye off the ball. Just do whatever is in the interests of the AFL.
The AFL imo are doing just that. Focussing on the war (participation and growth in growth markets) and not battles with other codes who’re busy fighting battles.
 
The problem is the same problem the NRL has getting into Vic/SA/WA/Tas. If you don't grow up with the game it's hard to enjoy it as the skills are quite low and the game is very repetitive and slow.

Americans will never watch it over their own sports, even Soccer struggles for main stream attention.
And that's why the AFL would be fools to try and get into the US sports market.
A lot of Yanks would have trouble pointing out where Australia is on the map, due to being so insular.
 
Weekend Attendance Update

#AFL
Swans/Dees 40,012 at the SCG
Blues/Lions 33,367 at the Gabba
Suns/Tigers 22,086 at People First Stadium
Giants/Pies 21,235 at Engie Stadium

#ALM
Wanderers/WUnited 5,784 at Commbank
City/Phoenix 4,461 at Aami Park
AdUnited/Victory 8,731 at Coopers Stadium
Glory/Jets 6,190 at HBF Park

#ALW
Glory/Phoenix 964 at Macedonia Park
CanUnited/Wanderers 1,584 at Mckellar Park
Roar/Mariners 1,100 at Ballymore Stadium
SFC/WUnited 3,442 at Leichardt Oval

#NBL
MelUnited/Hawks 8,232 at John Cain Arena
Wildcats/Jackjumpers 10,624 at RAC Arena

#NRL
Knights/Raiders 22,378 at McDonald Jones
Warriors/Sharks 24,076 at Go Media Stadium
Storm/Panthers 20,169 at Aami Stadium
Eels/Bulldogs 29,171 at Commbank Stadium
Titans/Dragons 14,537 at Cbus Super Stadium

#SuperRugbyPacific
Waratahs/Highlanders 13,533 at Allianz Stadium
Reds/Chiefs TBA at Suncorp Stadium
 

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Good piece by the ABC's mediawatch program last night outlining the lengths the NRL went to to get media onside for positive spins on it's Vegas tour. ABC iview should have the replay if interested.
Even Paul Barry signs off the segment about it with the assumption that the NRL will get gambling revenue if and when there's increased NRL interest in America. As pointed out many times, Australia's legislation-driven product fee and integrity agreement legal framework - the ones that get the NRL $50 million in Australia - doesn't apply to America, but Media Watch even lets the audience assume that that isn't the case!

Paul Barry:
"... that currently nets the NRL $50 million dollars a year in Australia for clipping the ticket on every bet made. And that could bring millons more from America, if the Vegas venture is a success"
I get that Media Watch is a TV show about the media and not sports or sport strategy, but it is very telling that even they - who operate as a fact-checker of sorts - are even falling victim to this NRL PR uncritically (of which they criticise the NRL PR in the segment itself!).

Even if the Vegas venture is a "success" itself in relation to America (say more Americans watch or attend the Vegas games in the future), there's still very difficult path into converting that into US-based turnover (due to all matches in Australia in the middle of the night) which in turn further creates a very difficult path into actual revenue (given there's no legal requirement for any of the bookmakers to hand over that money to the NRL anyway).
 
Even Paul Barry signs off the segment about it with the assumption that the NRL will get gambling revenue if and when there's increased NRL interest in America. As pointed out many times, Australia's legislation-driven product fee and integrity agreement legal framework - the ones that get the NRL $50 million in Australia - doesn't apply to America, but Media Watch even lets the audience assume that that isn't the case!

Paul Barry:

I get that Media Watch is a TV show about the media and not sports or sport strategy, but it is very telling that even they - who operate as a fact-checker of sorts - are even falling victim to this NRL PR uncritically (of which they criticise the NRL PR in the segment itself!).

Even if the Vegas venture is a "success" itself in relation to America (say more Americans watch or attend the Vegas games in the future), there's still very difficult path into converting that into US-based turnover (due to all matches in Australia in the middle of the night) which in turn further creates a very difficult path into actual revenue (given there's no legal requirement for any of the bookmakers to hand over that money to the NRL anyway).
Yep to me it is a case of "Tell em they are dreaming" if fools like shyster media tart V'Landys expect to make a lot of money out of US sports gambling on an obscure Australia sport with US TV ratings of only 40,000!
 
Good piece by the ABC's mediawatch program last night outlining the lengths the NRL went to to get media onside for positive spins on it's Vegas tour. ABC iview should have the replay if interested.

YouTube has it too



5:30 - ''You go to a restaurant and you buy a meal, that's entertainment'' Peter V'landys
 
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Weekend Attendance Update

#AFL
Swans/Dees 40,012 at the SCG
Blues/Lions 33,367 at the Gabba
Suns/Tigers 22,086 at People First Stadium
Giants/Pies 21,235 at Engie Stadium

#ALM
Wanderers/WUnited 5,784 at Commbank
City/Phoenix 4,461 at Aami Park
AdUnited/Victory 8,731 at Coopers Stadium
Glory/Jets 6,190 at HBF Park

#ALW
Glory/Phoenix 964 at Macedonia Park
CanUnited/Wanderers 1,584 at Mckellar Park
Roar/Mariners 1,100 at Ballymore Stadium
SFC/WUnited 3,442 at Leichardt Oval

#NBL
MelUnited/Hawks 8,232 at John Cain Arena
Wildcats/Jackjumpers 10,624 at RAC Arena

#NRL
Knights/Raiders 22,378 at McDonald Jones
Warriors/Sharks 24,076 at Go Media Stadium
Storm/Panthers 20,169 at Aami Stadium
Eels/Bulldogs 29,171 at Commbank Stadium
Titans/Dragons 14,537 at Cbus Super Stadium

#SuperRugbyPacific
Waratahs/Highlanders 13,533 at Allianz Stadium
Reds/Chiefs TBA at Suncorp Stadium
Some of the ALM women soccer crowds were very poor and it seems that they have gained very little if anything from the Matildas recent match and hype surrounding the sold out Marvel match which seems to have had little or no impact on improving their domestic crowds.
 
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Some of the ALM women soccer crowds were very poor and it seems that they have gained very little if anything from the Matildas recent match and hype surrounding the sold out Marvel match which seems to have had little or no impact on improving their domestic crowds.
Proving, yet again, time after time after time, that soccer is the ultimate theatre-goers sport in this country.
 
I think the Matildas popularity will wear off after the Olympics, particularly if they have an underwhelming campaign. Remember for all the adulation they received last year, they did lose 3 of their 7 games at a World Cup they hosted.
 
I think the Matildas popularity will wear off after the Olympics, particularly if they have an underwhelming campaign. Remember for all the adulation they received last year, they did lose 3 of their 7 games at a World Cup they hosted.
The 2026 women's Asian cup will be hosted in Australia. Just been announced we are the sole remaining bidder.

That is not too far away. There will have a heavy south east Asian influence on the teams, unlike the men's. So it should be well supported by the ex pat communities(Vietnam, Phillipines, Thailand)

I would reckon that will be picked up by a fta channel, who will promote the Aussie games. (And "sell off" all the others) .
 
The 2026 women's Asian cup will be hosted in Australia. Just been announced we are the sole remaining bidder.

That is not too far away. There will have a heavy south east Asian influence on the teams, unlike the men's. So it should be well supported by the ex pat communities(Vietnam, Phillipines, Thailand)

I would reckon that will be picked up by a fta channel, who will promote the Aussie games. (And "sell off" all the others) .

Just saw that. I made my post before that story went online. They will remain the hottest ticket in town in terms of our national teams who play a form of football.
 
Weekend Attendance Update

#AFL
Blues/Tigers 83,881 at the MCG
Pies/Swans 78,933 at the MCG

#ALM
WUnited/Victory 3,058 at Aami Park
Jets/AdlUnited 4,103 at McDonald Jones Stadium

#ALW
Wanderers/CanUnited 376 at Wanderers Park

#NBL
MelUnited/Hawks 6,288 at John Cain Arena
Wildcats/Jackjumpers 7,467 at RAC Arena

#NRL
Broncos/Rabbitohs 35,507 at Suncorp Stadium
Sharks/Bulldogs 12,928 at Pointsbet Stadium
Panthers/Eels 21,522 at Bluebet Stadium

#SuperRugbyPacific
Force/Pacifika TBA at HBF Park
Rebels/Reds TBA at Aami Park

#WNBL Grand Final
Lynx/Flyers 1,753 at Bendat

Data: http://AFL.com.au, http://NBL.com, http://NRL.com, http://WNBL.basketball, and http://Austadiums.com
 

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