Play Nice 2024 Non AFL Crowds/Ratings and other Industry thread

[The_Wookie]

Weekend Attendance Update

#AFL
Blues/Tigers 83,881 at the MCG
Pies/Swans 78,933 at the MCG
Bombres/Hawks 73,805 at thee MCG
Giants/Kangaroos 8,034 at Engie Stadium
Cats/Saints 39,352 at GMHBA Stadium
Suns/Crows 11,466 at People First Stadium

#ALM
WUnited/Victory 3,058 at Aami Park
Jets/AdlUnited 4,103 at McDonald Jones Stadium
Phoenix/SFC 18,002 at Eden Park
Roar/Bulls 3,178 at Ballymore Stadium
Glory/Wanderers 5,952 at HBF Park

#ALW
Wanderers/CanUnited 376 at Wanderers Park
Wanderers/Glory 427 at Wanderers Park
AdlUnited/Roar 742 at Marden Sports Complex

#nbl
MelUnited/Hawks 6,288 at John Cain Arena
Wildcats/Jackjumpers 7,467 at RAC Arena

#NRL
Broncos/Rabbitohs 35,507 at Suncorp Stadium
Sharks/Bulldogs 12,928 at Pointsbet Stadium
Panthers/Eels 21,522 at Bluebet Stadium
Raiders/Tigers 16,968 at GIO Stadium
Cowboys/Knights 18,986 at QCB Stadium
Storm/Warriors 21,927 at Aami Park

#SuperRugbyPacific
Force/Pacifika TBA at HBF Park
Rebels/Reds TBA at Aami Park
Waratahs/Blues 13,237 at Allianz Stadium

#WNBL Grand Final
Lynx/Flyers 1,753 at Bendat

 

[Aucklander]

It's going to be interesting to see if Auckland FC can turn that 18k into regular bums on seats, Winning will help.

 

[The_Wookie]

Round 2 of the 2024 NRL Season has finished with 155,133 at an average of 19,392 per match. (86% of capacity). This is just below the Round 2 record attendance of 158,006, set in 2012 (ave 19,243)

This has been a record breaking start to the season with 338,687 people through the gates in 3 countries, 3 australian states and one territory at a record average of 21,168. This is the first time that the NRL has averaged 20,000 since 2006 (20,220)

Code	Round	Date	Day	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Attendance	Capacity	Cap%
NRL	2	14/3	Thi	2000	Brisbane	South Sydney	Suncorp Stadium	35,507	52,500	67.63%
NRL	2	15/3	Fri	1800	Crnulla	Canterbury	Pointsbet Stadium	12,928	13,000	99.45%
NRL	2	15/3	Fri	2000	Penrith	Parramatta	Bluebet Stadium	21,522	22,500	95.65%
NRL	2	16/3	Sat	1500	Canberra	Wests Tigers	GIO Stadium	16,968	25,011	67.84%
NRL	2	16/3	Sat	1730	North Queensland	Newcastle	QCB Stadium	18,986	25,000	75.94%
NRL	2	16/3	Sat	2000	Melbourne	Warriors	Aami Park	21,927	30,050	72.97%
NRL	2	17/3	Sun	1600	Manly	Sydney	4 Pines Park	17,284	1,800	960.22%
NRL	2	17/3	Sun	1900	Dolphins	St George	Kayo Stadium	10,011	10,500	95.34%
2024 Total								155,133	180,361	86.01%
2024 Games								8	8
2024 Ave								19,392	22,545	86.01%
2024 Total								142,021	228,050	62.28%
2024 Games								8	8
2024 Ave								18,472	28,506	64.80%
Diff								4.98%

 

[weewilly]

376 at the ALW proves that the Matilda bandwagon has no bearing on the sport and any other level. It might get more girls playing, but the AL has come and gone.

The ALW if anything have gone backwards and I don't remember a major football league getting crowds consistently in the hundreds before.
Those matches would also have to be running at massive losses as well.

 

[Walshawk]

The ALW if anything have gone backwards and I don't remember a major football league getting crowds consistently in the hundreds before.
Those matches would also have to be running at massive losses as well.

Perhaps AFLW should be played before AFL games. All stadiums need two sets of rooms so there can be a tight turnaround. E.g. 5.30pm start before at 7.40pm AFL game. At least the last quarter woild be played before half the AFL crowd.

 

[Diogenes]

Super Rugby back at TBA which, I understand, is code for less than 8,000

 

[Angus Young]

Perhaps AFLW should be played before AFL games. All stadiums need two sets of rooms so there can be a tight turnaround. E.g. 5.30pm start before at 7.40pm AFL game. At least the last quarter woild be played before half the AFL crowd.

Then we would have to watch AFLW

 

[Walshawk]

Then we would have to watch AFLW

You could always turn away or go to the bar. Would certainly beat the hour of ads we get now.

 

[sprucemoooose]

Yep to me it is a case of "Tell em they are dreaming" if fools like shyster media tart V'Landys expect to make a lot of money out of US sports gambling on an obscure Australia sport with US TV ratings of only 40,000!

V'landys is a good operator, probably the best in the country (which isn't difficult) as he has a track record of actually innovating and attempting new ideas. The AFL should be worried that RL finally has a decent operator after having idiots like David Gallop and Co. running the show this century making AFLHQ's job relatively easy.

That being said, the US gambling angle defies logic. V'landys attempted to negotiate revenue sharing agreements with the large US betting agencies before the season and got nowhere. Rugby betting (either union and or league) is a rounding area for US books, just like ice hockey betting is in Australia.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Perhaps AFLW should be played before AFL games. All stadiums need two sets of rooms so there can be a tight turnaround. E.g. 5.30pm start before at 7.40pm AFL game. At least the last quarter woild be played before half the AFL crowd.

Why are you replying to a post about low crowds for the A-League Women's competiton with scheduling suggestions for the much-better attended AFLW? In a non-AFL thread. Interesting.

 

[Cmarsh]

Why are you replying to a post about low crowds for the A-League Women's competiton with scheduling suggestions for the much-better attended AFLW? In a non-AFL thread. Interesting.

Aflw isn't that much better attended.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Aflw isn't that much better attended.

More than double the average attendance. AFL-NRL gap isn't even that big.

Not that it's fair to single out soccer given that crowds for most women's domestic sports are dwarfed by AFLW.

 

[Angus Young]

V'landys is a good operator, probably the best in the country (which isn't difficult) as he has a track record of actually innovating and attempting new ideas. The AFL should be worried that RL finally has a decent operator after having idiots like David Gallop and Co. running the show this century making AFLHQ's job relatively easy.

That being said, the US gambling angle defies logic. V'landys attempted to negotiate revenue sharing agreements with the large US betting agencies before the season and got nowhere. Rugby betting (either union and or league) is a rounding area for US books, just like ice hockey betting is in Australia.

Agreed, he gets the game in the spotlight and makes things happen.

 

[Angus Young]

You could always turn away or go to the bar. Would certainly beat the hour of ads we get now.

True

 

[weewilly]

V'landys is a good operator, probably the best in the country (which isn't difficult) as he has a track record of actually innovating and attempting new ideas. The AFL should be worried that RL finally has a decent operator after having idiots like David Gallop and Co. running the show this century making AFLHQ's job relatively easy.

That being said, the US gambling angle defies logic. V'landys attempted to negotiate revenue sharing agreements with the large US betting agencies before the season and got nowhere. Rugby betting (either union and or league) is a rounding area for US books, just like ice hockey betting is in Australia.

To have an aggressor like V'Landy's as a competitor in business is usually a good thing as it makes lazy comfortable managers got off their butts to counter them!

 

[weewilly]

Aflw isn't that much better attended.

Yes it is! When you are getting 300 at a match like the ALW does you are virtually down to family and friends watching!

 

[Dirty Bird]

You know what I find stupid.

You go through the AFLs website and tickets are available for all games with locked in dates except the 2 Hobart games.
You go through ticketmasters website and you cant get the hobart tickets

however, if you go through North Melbournes website and follow the links you can get tickets for Hobart.

Are they ****ing stupid by not advertising tickets through their 2 biggest sources????

 

[weewilly]

A tale of our two biggest football codes - Thursday night footy AFL 70,000 at the biggest and best stadium in the nation the MCG and the NRL with 20,000 at a suburban ground with very little cover if it rains for a GF replay and the TV ratings were also AFL # 2 to the NRL #4 on the night.

To a casual viewer non football fan I know which would be thought of as being the #1 code in the nation.

I wonder how bogan Sydney media tart V'Landys would spin this as the NRL being the biggest code in Australia by a long way?

 

[The_Wookie]

Sevens AFL: Thursday Night Football
Seven NetworkReach 1.827m (#2 for the day)
Average Audience 671,000 (#4)

Thursday Night NRL
Nine NetworkReach 1.528m
Average Audience 617,000

Football: Socceroos v Lebanon
Ten Network
Reach: 552,000
Average Audience: 224,000

Parmount, Foxtel and Kayo data unavailable. All data from VOZ.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Seems like the AFL rates higher on free to air television, but the NRL is consistently stronger on fox sports, Kayo.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Seems like the AFL rates higher on free to air television, but the NRL is consistently stronger on fox sports, Kayo.

It's mainly because footy fans outside of Victoria for those eight teams don't need to buy Kayo to watch their team play, as well as NRL baking in organisation through exclusivity deals (Super Saturday etc.) to encourage Fox/Kayo viewership.

There's not much more to it than that, just the nuances of the deals.

 

[The_Wookie]

Weekend Attendance update

#ALW
Phoenix/Adelaide United – 612 at Porirua Park

#AFL
Saints/Magpies 69,517 at the MCG
Crows/Cats 44,758 at Adelaide Oval
Kangaroos/Dockers 17,589 at Marvel Stadium
Hawks/Demons 43,960 at the MCG
Swans/Bombres 34,954 at the SCG

#AustralianGP
Day 1 – 65,030
Day 2 – 124,113
Day 3 – 130,806

#NBL (Finals)
Jackjumpers/MelUnited 4,340 at MyStateBank Arena

#NRL
Panthers/Broncos 20,089 at Bluebet Stadium
Warriors/Raiders at 17,259 Apollo Projects Stadium
Roosters/Rabbitohs 37,594 at Allianz Stadium
Dragons/Cowboys 9,257 at Netstrata Jubilee Stadium
Bulldogs/Titans 12,037 at Belmore
Tigers/Sharks 15,990 at Leichardt Oval

#Socceroos
Aus/Lebanon 27,026 at Commbank Stadium

Data: http://aleagues.com.au, http://afl.com.au, http://nbl.com and http://nrl.com

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Out of curiosity, I looked up the AFL and NRL on Fox Sports USA this week:

Fox Sports 1:
NRL: no games

Fox Sports 2: AFL: Thursday 4.30 am Brisbane vs. Collingwood
NRL: Friday 5am Brisbane vs. North Queensland

all other matches on the Fox Soccer Plus channel that no American has access to because it's on like three extra layers of package additions or not even accessible on half of their cord-cutting YoutubeTV type services.

Firstly just want to say, obviously, the extent of access on one or two barely-watched US sports cable channels at 4.30 am that even within America get an average viewership of only a couple hundred thousand in prime time, is basically nothing.

But at the same time, for all the noise about NRL and America as a strategy, about getting on Fox Sports 1 in prime time when they were over there ... and yet, less than a month on, the AFL as a control group comparison, is getting FS1 access and equivalent FS2 access? The NRL deal didn't even insist on year-long FS1 access, or a second game on either of FS1 or 2, or whatever?

From 4am to 8am on Saturday morning Fox Sports 2 they are showing pre-recorded drag racing and fishing shows, just to compare.

 

[Professor Knowall]

The A-League keeps struggling along … barely -

https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/drama-as-aleague-broadcaster-global-advance-goes-broke/news-story/309c9031ca953d58cf4db0ab2ce0feb0

“… Global Advance’s demise is the latest blow for the APL, which has lost millions of dollars this season, resulting in the collapse of its digital arm KeepUp as well as nearly 50 per cent of staff being made redundant.

There are also doubts about the future of the Newcastle Jets and Canberra United….”

 

[Aucklander]

New NRLW teams announced for 2025 competition

The ARLC has approved the continued expansion of the NRL Telstra Women’s Premiership from 2025 with two new teams announced as part of an expanded 12-team competition.

www.nrl.com