Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part 1 [closed, see Part II]

[00VicWard001]

I'm hugely surprised to see this thread resurrected after a win. Is this the first time that's happened?
Great match up of old man Kelly to stifle the run of Jetta after half time (though he popped up again later).
Who'd'a thunk it, hey?

Old man Kelly will be smashing Sam Mitchell from pillar to post next week.

 

[00VicWard001]

Maybe Chris Scott believes Cockatoo would be a good running half-back? He wouldn't be the first player who played in one position earlier and changed once arriving at the AFL. Certain coaches see certain qualities in players that other's don't. Sure it may be the wrong decision, but you can hardly fault a coach for giving a player a go outside his comfort zone.

I just dont understand the criticism Chris Scott gets when you look at how well our team can play, with the vast amount of talented youngsters coming through. Teams have bottomed out and gone to shit, yet this Geelong team keeps trucking along, despite losing players every year, despite an extreme amount of injuries. Take a look at the 2011 team and then this team; the sheer amount of difference is staggering, and yet we have a very good chance of making another final series, getting more experience into these young players.

I struggle to believe another coach could do better. In fact, I don't know how anyone could do a better job?

Buckley is actually a prime example to be used. I am not saying that Buckley is a horrible coach, but he inherited a list that was in a similar state to Scott, and eveyr year Collingwood have looked worst and worst and now they have no chance of making the finals. They still depend on a few players in their midfield; Pendles, Swan, etc etc. The immediate future of Collingwood is nowhere near as good as Geelongs. Thats not necessarily Buckleys fault, its just how the system works; teams lose stars, get older, plummet. Chris Scott has done a masterful job of blooding new players while still remaining competitive.

In regards to Cockatoo, did you hear CS say how there were very few players in the team that could beat him one on one?

The kid is a beast. He is just raw, hasn't played much footy and hasn't learned the structures, patterns that well.

In a couple of years, he will be absolutely dominant.

 

[Leeds17]

I've been as big a Scott critic as anyone but credit it where it's due finally put a game style and plan into this group that suits them and finally putting work into oppositions rather going into to game with the mindset of "our best will beat their best".

 

[Lana]

Gone to God [well the Mods nuked him]

When did this happen? Why then in particular.

 

[JUBJUB]

When did this happen? Why then in particular.

Dunno,noticed earlier today his name in red

 

[geelong_crazy26]

That's absolutely reasonable. We struggle with it because it requires patience. But it's fair to note not every player gets the leeway to develop in a particular position, despite being no worse than other options.

Mate its just not practical to give all players equal opportunity to develop .You only have 22 games a season and can only play 22 in every game with a limited number of players in each position .

Players who posses special attributes and have really good genetics are going to be given greater opportunity .For example Cockatoo who is extremely explosive is going to get given more opportunity than T Hunt who has nothing special to offer. Vardy is 198 cms tall ,has good athletic abilities and has really good hands . West is also 198 cms doesn't have much athletic ability or a good set of hands.

You can teach a player to read the ball better and make a better decisions with the ball .You cant teach a player to grow taller and be faster .

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Dunno,noticed earlier today his name in red

Since at least Sunday last week. Name was in read by Monday morning. Don't know where, didn't see anything overly floggish on this board.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Yes - and that's where frustrations can come into it as a supporter, as we all have our own favourites and biases. For me, it's wondering why Kersten was seemingly favoured over Walker for a long while when I thought Walker offered more and performed better. For others it's why Mitch Brown maybe never got a great run at a spot, or why Smedts is never played on the forward-flank, or why Schroder never got a run of games despite being solid in the VFL. I guess in these instances we have to defer to the coaching department and selection committee and hope that they're making the right choice more often than not.

Lets not forget that Walker only announced himself as a decent player in last years finals series. The only reasons kersten was played ahead of Walker this year is because Kersten can be played for as medium forward which compliments our 2 monster key forwards much better than walker.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Since at least Sunday last week. Name was in read by Monday morning. Don't know where, didn't see anything overly floggish on this board.

He was slamming Christensen in Bay 13 at the time he got blitzed.

 

[CharacterFirst]

Gone to God [well the Mods nuked him]

Really?

See, there is a God.

 

[Lana]

He was slamming Christensen in Bay 13 at the time he got blitzed.

Didn't know that was possible.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Didn't know that was possible.

Me either. It must have been something spectacular, or maybe he was in another thread at the same time.

 

[David the Cat]

Calling Biggyboy! Come in Biggyboy! Are you there Biggyboy!

Chappy, have you seen Biggyboy?

Don't think Biggy goes to VFL games...

 

[JUBJUB]

Really?

See, there is a God.

All Mods are God.....isn't that right catempire & dazbroncos ?





Phew,that should buy me a few brownie points

 

[Art Vandelay_]

You really are so so shameless

 

[romeohwho]

In regards to Cockatoo, did you hear CS say how there were very few players in the team that could beat him one on one?

The kid is a beast. He is just raw, hasn't played much footy and hasn't learned the structures, patterns that well.

In a couple of years, he will be absolutely dominant.

Yep agree, so fast and quick reflexes and footy smarts. Like him a lot.

 

[Daitro]

No point beating Sydney if you can't beat Melbourne and the Saints. I have to believe even the most hardened Scott supporter must have at least a little doubt now about his ability to get the team up for games where everything is on the line. Geelong haven't played hard, ruthless football like there's no tomorrow on a consistent basis for a looong time. It's cost us numerous first finals and now we're not even going to make it and to be honest I think we'd just be shown up for the pretenders we are in the first week anyway.

 

[THE CAT WRANGLER]

Useles no plan b,c,d etc

 

[Daniel McL]

Okay, discounting the 2011 finals series which people have forgotten about Scott coaching us to a premiership, let's talk about 2015.

Made mistakes yes as all coaches do, Bartel in defence tonight was another one.

But people saying that he should be sacked are just silly. Look at Guthrie now Scott has changed him from tagger to aggressive on-baller, Guthrie has been one of our best, if not the best, the past month!

Scott has given chances to Lang, Gregson, Cockatoo, Kolodjashnij, etc.

Scott talks well in press conferences.

Scott didn't have a great game coaching of course, but his last 4-5 weeks along with the team has been very good & if the players just kicked straighter in that last quarter against the Hawks we will have given them a run for their money!

Not Scott's fault players fumbled more tonight, the Saints played very well & their pressure was incredible!

Some players had bad games, all players have them, can't blame Scott all for that.

I have & will continue to support Chris Scott as the Geelong coach.

We weren't going to stay on top of the ladder forever.

 

[Daitro]

Scott talks well in press conferences.

I think that's part of the problem.

 

[cats_09]

How about the players take responsibility for the intensity they bring to the game; if people want to blame Scott for selection decisions on Thyrsday night then fine, but surely the players take responsibility for they do during the game.

Bartel had 6 changers tonight, blind kicks out of defence straight to the opposition, or even better when he had Bews open for the kick after a behind, but pulled the kick to the advantage of Newnes. What about Hawkins not leading, and even allowing his opponent easy marks on the wing not only throughout the match, but even in the last few minutes; if Hawkins isn't fit enough to lead in the 50, or even to create a contest in 50/50 situations lets re-access our forward set-up. Scott doesn't make Stevie screw around when running into an open goal.

Let's put the question of intensity and toughness back on the players - if they can't stand up when required then lets select players who will. The easy way out is to blame the coach when things don't go right - not going fall into that trap.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

CQUOTE="Daitro, post: 40392267, member: 58236"]No point beating Sydney if you can't beat Melbourne and the Saints. I have to believe even the most hardened Scott supporter must have at least a little doubt now about his ability to get the team up for games where everything is on the line. Geelong haven't played hard, ruthless football like there's no tomorrow on a consistent basis for a looong time. It's cost us numerous first finals and now we're not even going to make it and to be honest I think we'd just be shown up for the pretenders we are in the first week anyway.[/QUOTE]

I do not have any doubt at all over scotts coaching ability. We need to keep a few things in mind .

1.scott is a premiership coach , so he is capable of getting players up for big games.

2.scott took over a very old side that was destined to decline.most people would of predicted after 2010 that we would of missed multiple finals series by now.

3.we have lost more qualty players over the past few years than any other club.this has left holes in our list that take years to fix.

4.we have had a shocking run with injuries since 2012.

I would also conclude that when a sides rebuilding its normal to lose a few games that you would expect to win and be inconsistent.

 

[DeanoT]

Like clockwork, crazy26 arrives with his numbered lists.

 

[TheJimmyCartel]

Tonight was definitely one his worst nights.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

Like clockwork, crazy26 arrives with his numbered lists.

That could apply to any coach we would have had at the club.