Traded Chris Yarran [to Richmond for Pick 19]

[Sweet Jesus]

That's right to an extent

It's right. Period.

tell me who ultimately decides what the sale price will be?

Carlton can decide whether they trade Yarran or not. But they don't determine the price. The market determines the price.

 

[Funk]

What's "fair"?

If it is not a "forced sale" - whatever the seller believes to be fair.

 

[andrew_]

It's right. Period.

Carlton have the ultimate decision on whether they trade Yarran or not. But they don't determine the price. The market determines the price.

Not when the player is contracted.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

If it is not a "forced sale" - whatever the seller believes to be fair.

Sure. You can keep him. Or try to keep him.

I thought you were saying there would be a "fair deal"? Does that actually just mean 'whatever Carlton wants'?

Not when the player is contracted.

Not what?

Again, Carlton can theoretically keep their player. That's up to them. But the market will determine his trade value. Not Carlton.

 

[Balony_pony16]

They can look at as many players as they like.

Yarran's trade value will still be determined by what other clubs are willing to give up in exchange.

Who would you consider to be a 'similar player'?

yep... look at the Polec trade. Both Crows & Port worked hard to secure his services with daily updates on the sports news in Adelaide. The "winning team" tough didnt rate him when it came to trade. Unfortunately the team losing a player fights a uphill battle in getting anything of worth back on the trade tale

 

[Funk]

Sure. You can keep him. Or try to keep him.

I thought you were saying there would be a "fair deal"? Does that actually just mean 'whatever Carlton wants'?

Not what?

Again, Carlton can theoretically keep their player. That's up to them. But the market will determine his trade value. Not Carlton.

If the seller doesn't need to sell - that is exactly what it means!!!!!!!!!

 

[Funk]

yep... look at the Polec trade. Both Crows & Port worked hard to secure his services with daily updates on the sports news in Adelaide. The "winning team" tough didnt rate him when it came to trade. Unfortunately the team losing a player fights a uphill battle in getting anything of worth back on the trade tale

Very true.

However Polec was out of contract.

Just so you understand the difference that some of us are trying to make clear to you and others:

YARRAN IS CONTRACTED FOR 2016 - SO CARLTON DO NOT HAVE TO TRADE HIM!!!!!!

 

[Sweet Jesus]

If the seller doesn't need to sell - that is exactly what it means!!!!!!!!!

So when you were talking about "fair compensation" in an attempt to appear reasonable, you actually meant 'whatever Carlton demands'?

Why don't you just say it bluntly instead of dressing it up as something else?

That aside, what would constitute "fair compensation"?

 

[MightyTiger]

I will spell it out for you.

CARLTON DO NOT HAVE TO TRADE CHRIS YARRAN IN THIS DRAFT PERIOD.

So it does not matter what you think he is worth.

It only matters what Carlton are willing to accept to let him go!!!!!!

Let him go this year for a fair price or hold onto him for another year wallowing in the 2s or stinking it up in the seniors and get even less through the FA market.

 

[My name geoff]

It's right. Period.

Carlton can decide whether they trade Yarran or not. But they don't determine the price. The market determines the price.

Ok last try then I'm off..

Say you want to buy all the houses in a street for a development you are planning. Each house on the street has market value of $500000 due to location and similarity.

You stand to make millions if you get the deals across the line.

All the occupants bar one are happy to sell for market value.

What happens to the market value of that one property now?

 

[_RT_]

Like most of your observations except your assumption in the last paragraph.

Carlton fans do not want hard ball for the sake of it - just fair compensation.

Some posters here seem to think CFC will have to take whatever is offered.

I was making the observation that this is not necessarily the case.

They will have to take what other clubs are willing to pay and given the talent on offer this year Yarran is worth a pick somewhere in the early to mid second round. Also when a player has picked a club he wants to go to like Yarran has done, other clubs aren't usually going to jump in and try and poach them away. If the player simply comes out and says I want out and don't care where then there is a bidding war, but not when a player has chosen a club.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Ok last try then I'm off..

Say you want to buy all the houses in a street for a development you are planning. Each house on the street has market value of $500000 due to location and similarity.

You stand to make millions if you get the deals across the line.

All the occupants bar one are happy to sell for market value.

What happens to the market value of that one property now?

That depends on the buyer. They'd presumably be willing to pay more than $500,000 given the unique circumstances. If not, the market value remains the same and those people keep their house.

It's not a particularly revealing analogy.

 

[andrew_]

They will have to take what other clubs are willing to pay and given the talent on offer this year Yarran is worth a pick somewhere in the early to mid second round. Also when a player has picked a club he wants to go to like Yarran has done, other clubs aren't usually going to jump in and try and poach them away. If the player simply comes out and says I want out and don't care where then there is a bidding war, but not when a player has chosen a club.

I'm sorry but what club has Yarran picked? I know everyone says it will be Richmond (I think it will be too) but where does it officially say he wants to go to Richmond? Please link.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Very true.

However Polec was out of contract.

Just so you understand the difference that some of us are trying to make clear to you and others:

YARRAN IS CONTRACTED FOR 2016 - SO CARLTON DO NOT HAVE TO TRADE HIM!!!!!!

yeah I get that... and yeah they may get a bit more. But Yarran is in very poor form and has never hit the heights of his draft pick. Not sure Carlton can demand something great. He just doesnt have that keep at all cost value. He will likely get those 2nd round bids and will have to settle for that

 

[Funk]

So when you were talking about "fair compensation" in an attempt to appear reasonable, you actually meant 'whatever Carlton demands'?

Why don't you just say it bluntly instead of dressing it up as something else?

That aside, what would constitute "fair compensation"?

Rarely when negotiating can any party demand whatever they like.

There is always risk v reward.

If Carlton ask for too much and no deal is done - the consequences for CFC might not be great.

The point I am making (and the subtlety is clearly lost on you) is that Carlton are not a forced seller and can choose not to trade if they don't want to. Just like putting a house/business on the market and choosing not to sell if the offers are not sufficiently attractive.

Therefor it is up to the purchaser to offer a deal good enough to pursuade the seller to sell.

This is the complete opposite of a liquidation (applicable when a player is actually out of contract) where your constantly repeated line "market will determine the value" is actually the appropriate maxim.

This time - read carefully and think about what is written before you reply.

 

[Nerflardio2424]

It's right. Period.

Carlton can decide whether they trade Yarran or not. But they don't determine the price. The market determines the price.

A very simple concept some are seeming to struggle with lmao

 

[Taylor]

If it is true that Yarran has walked out on the club then Carlton can look forward to either trading him or seeing out the rest of his contract while he is the second highest paid VFL player in the game.

 

[Funk]

yeah I get that... and yeah they may get a bit more. But Yarran is in very poor form and has never hit the heights of his draft pick. Not sure Carlton can demand something great. He just doesnt have that keep at all cost value. He will likely get those 2nd round bids and will have to settle for that

Clearly you did not read the last line - even when it was in capitals!!!!!

CFC do not HAVE to settle for anything.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Rarely when negotiating can any party demand whatever they like.

I thought you basically said this was the case with Carlton and Yarran?

The point I am making (and the subtlety is clearly lost on you) is that Carlton are not a forced seller and can choose not to trade if they don't want to. Just like putting a house/business on the market and choosing not to sell if the offers are not sufficiently attractive.

Therefor it is up to the purchaser to offer a deal good enough to pursuade the seller to sell.

So what is the "fair compensation" you mentioned previously? What would constitute that?

This is the complete opposite of a liquidation (applicable when a player is actually out of contract) where your constantly repeated line "market will determine the value" is actually the appropriate maxim.

Yarran's contract means Carlton have the option to trade or retain the player. No doubt. But the market still determines his trade value.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Clearly you did not read the last line - even when it was in capitals!!!!!

CFC do not HAVE to settle for anything.

well eventually they will, and it will be a 2nd round pick which is pretty fair... yes he is contracted but he has quit the club. Not sure they have anything to gain by keeping him and losing his for nothing next year?

 

[Funk]

I thought you basically said this was the case with Carlton and Yarran?

So what is the "fair compensation" you mentioned previously? What would constitute that?

Yarran's contract means Carlton have the option to trade or retain the player. No doubt. But the market still determines his trade value.

Clearly "fair compensation" will be determined by SOS.

He will no doubt weigh up the downside risks v upside and push as hard as he can to get a deal done.

If he is not satisfied CFC may have a highly paid player on "Buddy Leave".

I don't think Yarran would want this and neither would any suitors - but unlike a player out of contract this is a possibility.

Alternatively CFC may also have a 1st round pick?

Time will tell.

 

[Funk]

well eventually they will, and it will be a 2nd round pick which is pretty fair... yes he is contracted but he has quit the club. Not sure they have anything to gain by keeping him and losing his for nothing next year?

Why would Carlton lose him for nothing next year?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Clearly "fair compensation" will be determined by SOS.

So you have no view?

You said Carlton will want "fair compensation" but can't narrow it down beyond that?

Time will tell.

We wait and see with our wet lettuce leaves.

 

[blaisee]

Very true.

However Polec was out of contract.

Just so you understand the difference that some of us are trying to make clear to you and others:

YARRAN IS CONTRACTED FOR 2016 - SO CARLTON DO NOT HAVE TO TRADE HIM!!!!!!

but he has quit the club.

Effectively its the same as being out of contract

 

[Funk]

So you have no view?

You said Carlton will want "fair compensation" but can't narrow it down beyond that?

We wait and see with our wet lettuce leaves.

SOS is the list manager and obviously far better qualified than me.