Traded Chris Yarran [to Richmond for Pick 19]

[DrMike]

Very simple have preached it many times, if proposed offers are ridiculous, then sit him in development team for 2016.
If he sulks and has poor professionalism and demeanor for an A grader and refuses to play out the year then he costs nothing CFC zero, as he's in breach of contract.
At very worst case scenario we'll be granted a 2nd rounder as Compo next year, stronger draft.
CFC would have set a rigid criteria and get a better deal in the end.
With the coin we save we can sniff around a few other disgruntled and yet to be contracted players.
It's a double edged sword we're all playing, what goes around comes around.
SOS has to have balls and take this on front no more excuses due diligence please.
Let the games begin, this will be juicy.
Ciao

So we'll give next years second round pick for him.
Agreed.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Yarran is contacted on about $450.000 p a , what would you classify him as?

And you're suggesting this makes him an A grader?

I guess that term is ambiguous. But I would have thought it refers to players who are truly top-drawer.

An inexperienced fringe player say like your McBean or Lennon?

Are 'A grader' and 'inexperienced fringe player' the only possible categories?

 

[DrMike]

Yarran is contacted on about $450.000 p a , what would you classify him as? An inexperienced fringe player say like your McBean or Lennon?
Please illuminate me.

Depends, are we using the Dale Thomas salary for scale? Coz that puts him at around $300k/yr. About the same as a Conca right now.

 

[Jeremias]

You said it, not me.

If you want to distance yourself from that statement, so be it. But it's nothing to do with me.

Not distancing myself from the initial statement at all. I agreed with an assertion that your use of the term 'market value' in this discussion seems to point to the fact your understanding of that term is incredibly limited. That continues to be very clear.

Your attempts to deflect and act daft are as embarrassing as your attempts to come across as knowledgeable on a topic you are clearly anything but.

I find it amusing when people think their assertions are persuasive despite making no attempt to substantiate them.

I don't need to persuade anyone of anything. I responded initially to a post very clearly outlining you have no idea what you're talking about. No further substantiation required from my end - you've validated that time and time again.

 

[cdcanman]

If Tigers and or other suitors will not trade value fair then I rather he sit out 2016 sulk we don't pay him a cent and get a FA compo pick next year in a stronger draft.
A 2nd rounder next year a worst would be more valuable than this year.
Ciao

Very simple have preached it many times, if proposed offers are ridiculous, then sit him in development team for 2016.
If he sulks and has poor professionalism and demeanor for an A grader and refuses to play out the year then he costs nothing CFC zero, as he's in breach of contract.
At very worst case scenario we'll be granted a 2nd rounder as Compo next year, stronger draft.
CFC would have set a rigid criteria and get a better deal in the end.
With the coin we save we can sniff around a few other disgruntled and yet to be contracted players.
It's a double edged sword we're all playing, what goes around comes around.
SOS has to have balls and take this on front no more excuses due diligence please.
Let the games begin, this will be juicy.
Ciao

I'm still yet to hear you explain how you will pay him nothing.
He is under contract for next season. 'Sulking', 'poor professionalism' and 'demeanour' are unlikely to be reason enough to claim breach of contract.
You might be able to put him in timeout or make him sit in the naughty corner. Would this satisfy you?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Not distancing myself from the initial statement at all. I agreed with an assertion that your use of the term 'market value' in this discussion seems to point to the fact your understanding of that term is incredibly limited.

Your attempts to deflect and act daft are as embarrassing as your attempts to come across as knowledgeable on a topic you are clearly anything but.

There's no substance to this, is there?

It's just belligerent waffle.

If you disagree with something I've said, by all means say why.

I responded initially to a post very clearly outlining you have no idea what you're talking about. No further substantiation required from my end - you've validated that time and time again.

The post by the Brisbane fan?

Sure. I don't disagree with what he wrote. But it didn't necessarily contradict what I've been saying.

He made the point that we rarely have unencumbered markets when it comes to trading. And that's perfectly valid. But it doesn't alter the fact that trade value is determined by what other clubs are willing to give up. It can't be more than that.

As I said, if you disagree with that, by all means say why.

 

[2ndeffort]

I'm still yet to hear you explain how you will pay him nothing.
He is under contract for next season. 'Sulking', 'poor professionalism' and 'demeanour' are unlikely to be reason enough to claim breach of contract.
You might be able to put him in timeout or make him sit in the naughty corner. Would this satisfy you?

Correct, having a contract would guarantee him his pay. The prospect of spending one of the years of his prime football window playing VFL or having to swallow his pride and build a few bridges might however be a strong motivator to get something done. Personally I find it suspicious that there are a few disgruntled players still unsigned at Punt Rd (Lennon etc). i suspect this deal has been done a while ago and the players and managers know about it but it cant be made public until official.

 

[Tiger71]

Correct, having a contract would guarantee him his pay. The prospect of spending one of the years of his prime football window playing VFL or having to swallow his pride and build a few bridges might however be a strong motivator to get something done. Personally I find it suspicious that there are a few disgruntled players still unsigned at Punt Rd (Lennon etc). i suspect this deal has been done a while ago and the players and managers know about it but it cant be made public until official.

Disgruntled players like Lennon ? Turn it up mate.

 

[andrew_]

I love how some Carlton fans are jumping on the Carlisle thread bagging Essendon fans for wanting something decent in exchange for Carlisle. Yet on here they're doing the same with Yarran.

Same things being pointed out as to why Carlisle is not worth peanuts (eg this years form) is the same thing being defended in here about Yarran.

You're a complete looney if you think it's the same situation. One player has a 2 year suspension hanging over his head, the other hasn't. One has made it verbally known he hates the club in the middle of the game in earshot of supporters the other hasn't. I think I know which one is worth more.

 

[cdcanman]

Correct, having a contract would guarantee him his pay. The prospect of spending one of the years of his prime football window playing VFL or having to swallow his pride and build a few bridges might however be a strong motivator to get something done. Personally I find it suspicious that there are a few disgruntled players still unsigned at Punt Rd (Lennon etc). i suspect this deal has been done a while ago and the players and managers know about it but it cant be made public until official.

Potentially adding 1 and 1 and getting 475.
What you are suggesting is not impossible, and I can understand why it excites Carlton fans. There are however plenty of other explanations as to why the likes of Lennon are not yet signed. He may have received considerable interest and improved terms from other teams, and be using this to pressure Richmond to match or at least improve their offer.
Nothing more than my opinion, but I would consider a Lennon <-> Yarran swap to be in the more unlikely than likely pile, and that is being pretty polite about it.
Good luck to Carlton if they can swing it though

 

[Tiger71]

You're a complete looney if you think it's the same situation. One player has a 2 year suspension hanging over his head, the other hasn't. One has made it verbally known he hates the club in the middle of the game in earshot of supporters the other hasn't. I think I know which one is worth more.

lol, you forgot the part with Yarran walking out on your club while under contract, but again carry on.

 

[cdcanman]

You're a complete looney if you think it's the same situation. One player has a 2 year suspension hanging over his head, the other hasn't. One has made it verbally known he hates the club in the middle of the game in earshot of supporters the other hasn't. I think I know which one is worth more.

I hope you mean Carlisle

 

[andrew_]

lol, you forgot the part with Yarran walking out on your club while under contract, but again carry on.

That's wrong, it might what is reported in some media outlets, but I know for a fact he's not walking out, the club is moving him on early, and he has agreed to it.

 

[Tiger71]

That's wrong, it might what is reported in some media outlets, but I know for a fact he's not walking out, the club is moving him on early, and he has agreed to it.

lol.

Yarran himself mentioned he will never play for your club again. That is fact, so thats walked out. Now you say the club is "moving him on early". So if thats the case, why the crying about what he is worth ? Obviously in your world, if the blues have moved him on early, with Yarran agreeing, surely a club has already been chosen and picks allocated ?

 

[HBF]

You won't be getting him either.

Then we'll shop Yarran around somewhere else.

 

[andrew_]

lol.

Yarran himself mentioned he will never play for your club again. That is fact, so thats walked out. Now you say the club is "moving him on early". So if thats the case, why the crying about what he is worth ? Obviously in your world, if the blues have moved him on early, with Yarran agreeing, surely a club has already been chosen and picks allocated ?

Pretty much everything you just stated is wrong.

 

[Tiger71]

Pretty much everything you just stated is wrong.

Ok Andrew, what have i stated wrong ?

Yarran did not himself release a statement in effect stating he will not play for you next year, so in a very real sense WALKED OUT...is that wrong is it ?

Can you show proof that the blues have " walked him early" ?

 

[Stylo]

Then we'll shop Yarran around somewhere else.

Good

 

[My name geoff]

Not distancing myself from the initial statement at all. I agreed with an assertion that your use of the term 'market value' in this discussion seems to point to the fact your understanding of that term is incredibly limited. That continues to be very clear.

Your attempts to deflect and act daft are as embarrassing as your attempts to come across as knowledgeable on a topic you are clearly anything but.



I don't need to persuade anyone of anything. I responded initially to a post very clearly outlining you have no idea what you're talking about. No further substantiation required from my end - you've validated that time and time again.

Is Sweet Jesus still trying to win this argument? lol

Just ignore him I reckon. It dawned on me how much time I had wasted replying to him when I realized his assertion was that market value can only be determined AFTER the sale of the asset.

Clearly has no idea what he is waffling on about and is just trying to reel people in to an argument.

 

[Nostradumbass]

Then we'll shop Yarran around somewhere else.

Please do.

 

[HBF]

Please do.

Ok great.
I'll let SOS and the rest of our list management team know.

 

[My name geoff]

Hooray. It took us a while, but finally someone got there.

This is probably the only truly accurate post in this thread...it's a shame it has been lost among page after page of complete and utter garbage.

It is amazing how so many people seem to struggle with a relatively simple concept to comprehend.

I was about to say that it is amazing that those who are almost exclusively using the term to justify their point of view clearly don't actually understand the concept....but then I remembered where I am and accepted it as par for the course.

The term "market value' was brought into the conversation by that west coast person. It had nothing to do with my initial argument, it was a straw man tactic to keep the fight alive. The mistake I made was taking the bait to try convince this fellow that he did not understand how market value is established.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Just ignore him I reckon. It dawned on me how much time I had wasted replying to him when I realized his assertion was that market value can only be determined AFTER the sale of the asset.

I never said that. If anything, that's closer to your argument.

Clearly has no idea what he is waffling on about and is just trying to reel people in to an argument.

Coming from the bloke who tried several different explanations in the hope one would stick.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

The term "market value' was brought into the conversation by that west coast person.

If people are asserting that a player is 'worth x amount' in a trade – Yarran, in this case – then you're implicitly talking about market value.

It had nothing to do with my initial argument, it was a straw man tactic to keep the fight alive.

I'm not sure if you know what a 'straw man' is.

The mistake I made was taking the bait to try convince this fellow that he did not understand how market value is established.

Is it established by Carlton insisting Yarran is worth a first-rounder?

 

[Blue87]

Trade Radio host Cam Luke suggesting richmond will offer Ben Lennon and a third round pick for Yarran!! Ill take that.