Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part 1 [closed, see Part II]

[geelong_crazy26]

Like Crazy, I think you've taken it a bit out of context. There is a huge difference between coming into a side where almost everyone around you has been an embodiment of leadership for the good part of a decade, and coming into a side where there are no leaders to speak of. Bomber, amongst others, had come to a Geelong whose leaders had all but left the club for dead. Over the span of 11 years, we had transformed into a club with wealth in leadership - both in its coaches and players. Scott came to the club when these values had already been instilled in the players. I think it's fair to say that the foundations of our 07-11 group were so strong (as 7 years of pain prior should dictate) that any AFL coach, qualified or not, could have led us to the flag in 2011. That's not a stab at Chris, but a credit to our club.

That's all fair enough but there are 2 sides to the coin .

Thompson like Alistair Clarkson was very fortunate to come into a club that was about to be absolutely flooded with exceptionally good young talent.

Most coaches are not so fortunate .

They also have both been very lucky to be supported by some really good people at their clubs.

 

[Catgirl]

That's all fair enough but there are 2 sides to the coin .

Thompson like Alistair Clarkson were very fortunate to come into a club that was about to be absolutely flooded with exceptionally good young talent.

Most coaches are not so fortunate .

Good post. I agree, they were lucky, but they also served as the backbones of their respective playing groups at a time where their players needed leaders. Don't forget that things weren't always sunshines and rainbows for our club.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I think he's got at least next year and the following one.

I agree .

I think if we don't make the final 6 this year than questions need to be asked . I don't think however he should be sacked this year , 2017 is the earliest .

But I am confident this is all hypothetical , we will make the top 4 this year and possibly go close to winning a premiership.

 

[Willo_]

I think he's got at least next year and the following one.

I agree he's got next season.... but if we crash and burn I'm not certain he will see 2017...

That said a lot would depend on the reasons why we crash and burn as well..
If it is out of Scotts control obviously he'll see out his contract, if it's simply us not being on pace tactically and shown up drastically with a healthy list then he is in strife

 

[Cataholic]

I think he's got at least next year and the following one.

I think so too, personally, but I also think those that matter will want to see some definitive improvement next year to reassure them that the club is heading in the right direction.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Question .

Why do we (myself included) spend so much time on this forum focusing on people off the filed which is mostly the coach ,but give little attention to the most important people the players ?

I think players like Duncan,Caddy,Blicavs and Guthrie will have far more impact on how we perform next year than Scott .

 

[vinum coupe]

Nice little dodge. You were clearly referencing everyday punters not corporates or the major club social supporters in your ' input' .The average punter has no more sway than a mum-n-dad shareholder in a big corporation. The decisions are taken by boards taking account ofhow the company is performing and the views of institutional investors. That is where the real power and more importantly knowledge resides. Also in well run organisations they are many steps ahead of the great unwashed because they are better informed and far better equipped to make the big calls. So when it's time for a new coach our key people will see it and take the appropriate action. Only nuffies would suggest now is that time.
All the hoo-hah that goes on in forums and social media amounts to two thirds of stuff all.

You keep using the term nuffie.
I assume it's your name.

One of my best mates runs an 8bl fund (Kinda name dropping right!?)
When his fund starts dropping. The phones start ringing. And the board calls him in.

Live in a world of ignorance if it suits.

 

[Frappe]

because our list is so much more talented than the results they are giving out, we could missing out on something bigger and better.
The coach makes all the final decisions.

I question the way our players are put into shape over the preseason holidays. We aren't a fit club and we are ranked poorly in second half's of games.
Our game style is tedious. All that chipping around from side to side before we finally start to move it down the field into an attacking position.
And we don't seem to be a match hardened football side. Contested football is woeful. We seem to be more preoccupied in catching out the opposition so we can get the break going the other way (sling shot footy). It's like our younger midfielders aren't sure how to position or read the ball when the rucks go at it but they are competent midfielders in every other aspect. Surely this is a tutoring issue? Whether it's the head coach or the midfield coach, they aren't getting it right at all.

Yes and funnily enough the few times last year we got these thing right the results were there (i.e WB, GWS, Swans). It wasn't pretty but very effective.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

because our list is so much more talented than the results they are giving out, we could missing out on something bigger and better.
The coach makes all the final decisions.

I question the way our players are put into shape over the preseason holidays. We aren't a fit club and we are ranked poorly in second half's of games.
Our game style is tedious. All that chipping around from side to side before we finally start to move it down the field into an attacking position.
And we don't seem to be a match hardened football side. Contested football is woeful. We seem to be more preoccupied in catching out the opposition so we can get the break going the other way (sling shot footy). It's like our younger midfielders aren't sure how to position or read the ball when the rucks go at it but they are competent midfielders in every other aspect. Surely this is a tutoring issue? Whether it's the head coach or the midfield coach, they aren't getting it right at all.

Bobby your part of the old Geelong bay13 group , I am as upset as anyone about what has happened over the past few years.

But do you really think that given the fact , we have lost by far more talent than any other club that we have done badly ?

Geelong has lost 9 AA players over the past 5 years ,Hawthorn have lost 2 .We have also lost other good players on top of this .

Do you think that its not understandable that losing so much high quality experienced talent would have a negative impact on our performances ?

 

[Go Hoops]

You keep using the term nuffie.
I assume it's your name.

One of my best mates runs an 8bl fund (Kinda name dropping right!?)
When his fund starts dropping. The phones start ringing. And the board calls him in.

Live in a world of ignorance if it suits.

Your Silliness persists. Of course board members bear ulitimate responsibilty for the operation of the companies of which they are directors. They have legal responsibility to do so. If you knew the first thing about the matter you'd know all senior management make regular presentations to boards and CEOs at every board meeting. The point I was making is that the mums-n-dad investors - read supporters in a sporting club - have very little influence in the decision making process.

 

[BlightysCats]

I am as upset as anyone about what has happened over the past few years.

Really? You're not upset at our coach so who are you upset with?? The players, the assistants, the recruiters?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Really? You're not upset at our coach so who are you upset with?? The players, the assistants, the recruiters?

I am upset every year that Geelong don't win the premiership , I am also sensible enough to know its not possible to win the premiership every year . If I thought stomping my feet and finding someone to turn into a scapegoat was going to help than I would do it , but the reality is it would do more harm than good .Stability is a must for success.

Also perhaps you should look at some of the visitor messages that have been left on my profile or have a look at this thread if you want to know why I am upset.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...-get-3-premierships-out-of-this-group.990640/

Its a simple yes or no question , do you believe that clubs can continuously challenge for a premiership or do they need time to rebuild ?

If you think a club can continuously challenge for a premiership than you have no idea .

If you think a club needs to be given time to rebuild than you have no reason to whinge and complain.

 

[BlightysCats]

If you think a club needs to be given time to rebuild than you have no reason to whinge and complain.

I have it on incredibly good authority that Chris Scott was going around to a few of the power brokers of our club pre-season this year saying we'd finish 5th or 6th this season, so I agree we need time to rebuild because really that's obvious but when your coach isn't meeting his own expectations during that rebuild, then supporters have a right to be critical.

 

[Cataholic]

I have it on incredibly good authority that Chris Scott was going around to many of the power brokers of our club pre-season this year saying we'd finish 5th or 6th this season, so I agree we need time to rebuild because really that's obvious but when your coach isn't meeting his own expectations during that rebuild, then supporters have a right to be critical.

True, but when the same tune is sung repeatedly it gets monotonous, and listeners get sick of hearing it.

I think both sides have made their points of view quite clear.

The club has made internal changes, loaded up the playing list, got injured players back and look ready to go. Now it's make or break, and no more excuses.

Let's wait and see what happens now.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I have it on incredibly good authority that Chris Scott was going around to many of the power brokers of our club pre-season this year saying we'd finish 5th or 6th this season, so I agree we need time to rebuild because really that's obvious but when your coach isn't meeting his own expectations during that rebuild, then supporters have a right to be critical.

2016 hasn't happened yet ,so I don't know why your been critical of Scott for something that hasn't happened .

I find it hard to believe that Scott is saying that, I have a friend that works for the club and I haven't heard anything along those lines .At the end of the day he has to Show Cook that he is taking us on a path to a premiership or he gets sacked.

I think that finishing in the top 6 with a chance of winning the flag in 2017 would be a pass mark . Top 4 would be ideal .

 

[Cataholic]

2016 hasn't happened yet ,so I don't know why your been critical of Scott for something that hasn't happened .

I find it hard to believe that Scott is saying that, I have a friend that works for the club and I haven't heard anything along those lines .At the end of the day he has to Show Cook that he is taking us on a path to a premiership or he gets sacked.

I think that finishing in the top 6 with a chance of winning the flag in 2017 would be a pass mark . Top 4 would be ideal .

He was referring to alleged actions by Scott in the 2015 pre-season

 

[abet]

Also perhaps you should look at some of the visitor messages that have been left on my profile

The way I see it is you deserve all the crap you’re copping from opposition supporters, you seem to jump on something and its full bore ahead without any deviation. Like CS you’re so incensed with him that you even go as far as rubbishing Bomber Thompson the one person that actually got us a flag after a 45 year drought.

or have a look at this thread if you want to know why I am upset.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...-get-3-premierships-out-of-this-group.990640/

And in the above thread I had to lol at these quotes.

alistair clarkson-" we believe we can win 3 premierships with this group" FAIL
jeff kennett- " geelong is too mentally weak to beat hawthorn when it counts" geelong wins 9 in a row including a final FAIL
hawthorn football club- only managed one premiership from a supposed 3- FAIL

God I wish we failed that badly but ended up with a three peat a few years later.

You know what, sometimes i find myself arguing with you only because of your one directional viewpoint and i'm sure opposition supporters would do the same. Maybe every now and then you could question some of CS's moves or lack of moves and praise Bomber even if it's, he lost us the 2008 GF but who gives a shit cause he won us 2 others.

 

[BlightysCats]

He was referring to alleged actions by Scott in the 2015 pre-season

I should probably have said that, eeek.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

True, but when the same tune is sung repeatedly it gets monotonous, and listeners get sick of hearing it.

I think both sides have made their points of view quite clear.

Yep, locking this thread until at least the NAB matches wouldn't be a bad idea or we may end up getting dizzy spinning in circles all summer

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The way I see it is you deserve all the crap you’re copping from opposition supporters, you seem to jump on something and its full bore ahead without any deviation. Like CS you’re so incensed with him that you even go as far as rubbishing Bomber Thompson the one person that actually got us a flag after a 45 year drought.



And in the above thread I had to lol at these quotes.

alistair clarkson-" we believe we can win 3 premierships with this group" FAIL
jeff kennett- " geelong is too mentally weak to beat hawthorn when it counts" geelong wins 9 in a row including a final FAIL
hawthorn football club- only managed one premiership from a supposed 3- FAIL

God I wish we failed that badly but ended up with a three peat a few years later.

You know what, sometimes i find myself arguing with you only because of your one directional viewpoint and i'm sure opposition supporters would do the same. Maybe every now and then you could question some of CS's moves or lack of moves and praise Bomber even if it's, he lost us the 2008 GF but who gives a shit cause he won us 2 others.

Yeah doesn't surprise me that your happy Hawthorn has won the past 3 premierships.

Brian Cook will decide if Scott is a good or bad coach , do you think you are better able to decide on Scotts coaching ability than Brian Cook ?

Who are you to say that Scott made a bad move or that he made a mistake by not making a move that you wanted him to make ?

Maybe people should stop saying stupid things like Scott never does anything during games when things aren't going well , that is just so stupid that it make me embarrassed to be a member on this forum .The idea of our coaching staff just sitting there and spectating why things go badly is moronic, do people think they are there for a picnic? they make changes its just that its not the stupid changes posters on this forum would want thankfully or we don't notice them.

You want me to give Thompson praise ? I made thread earlier this year abut bringing him back .
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/bring-bomber-thompson-back-as-an-assistant-coach.1092757/

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I should probably have said that, eeek.

Who knows if he said that or not , but some people on this forum need to differentiate between aspirations and expectation .

Our aspiration next year should be to win the premiership , expectation is top 6.

 

[abet]

Yeah doesn't surprise me that your happy Hawthorn has won the past 3 premierships.

Brian Cook will decide if Scott is a good or bad coach , do you think you are better able to decide on Scotts coaching ability than Brian Cook ?

Who are you to say that Scott made a bad move or that he made a mistake by not making a move that you wanted him to make ?

Maybe people should stop saying stupid things like Scott never does anything during games when things aren't going well , that is just so stupid that it make me embarrassed to be a member on this forum .The idea of our coaching staff just sitting there and spectating why things go badly is moronic, do people think they are there for a picnic? they make changes its just that its not the stupid changes posters on this forum would want thankfully or we don't notice them.

You want me to give Thompson praise ? I made thread earlier this year abut bringing him back .
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/bring-bomber-thompson-back-as-an-assistant-coach.1092757/

That's the sort of answer i expected from you, that crazy bit in your name suits you down to the ground.

 

[Partridge]

The club has made internal changes, loaded up the playing list, got injured players back and look ready to go. Now it's make or break, and no more excuses.

Let's wait and see what happens now.

On that part, I'll wait and see. There are always excuses.

 

[Cataholic]

On that part, I'll wait and see. There are always excuses.

Yep, from both sides.

Akin to politics sadly.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

That's the sort of answer i expected from you, that crazy bit in your name suits you down to the ground.

You finally got something right ,congratulations.