Movie Star Wars: The Force Awakens - *Spoilers & Rumours inside*

[exe ex machina]

It's not just the mythological elements that are important. It's how they are executed, through a film's visuals and through its characters. Ant Man doesn't do so in such a visually and emotionally powerful way. Its mythological elements are coated in the mundane, and in the visually bland, and that will always keep its resonance muted. Not so with TFA.

In TFA, when the archetypal son (the Oedipal Ren) decides to kill the archetypal father (Han), a star winks out of existence, and the scene goes dark, illuminated only by a hellish red light. Nothing in Ant Man holds a candle to that moment.

In TFA, a hero and villain fight in what feels like a primeval forest. In the dark, and in the snow. Visually, it's a clash of blue and red light in the dark. It's beautiful and elemental simplicity is seared into the mind. Nothing in Ant Man holds a candle to that moment.

In TFA, a Percival (Rey) climbs an ancient mountain in the middle of a vast ocean to waken the Fisher King (Luke), by offering him his ancestral sword. He stands atop that mountain like a long-lost Druid of ancient Ireland. Nothing in Ant Man holds a candle to that moment.

As I've said before, the visual language Lucas created is one of the main reasons for this added resonance. But what Abrams does so well is to use that visual language in a way that Lucas once did, and to mobilize that language to create strong, mythic moments.

In my view, the Skellig scene is already a classic of modern cinema. I am going to bet that it will end up on lots of top 10 and top 20 lists in the future - by critics and audiences alike. I now fully understand why it was so important for the production to go through the hassle of filming there.

 

[exe ex machina]

Deal...

*shakes your hand*...

And if neither of these things happen, you give me 500 Australian dollars.

*shakes hand*

Lol, he's scared now Mootsy
Seems like he actually read the article now and has changed his stance.
Originally it was like "bwahaha, i will GIVE you money if that happens".
Now it's, "oh but um err umm if it doesnt happen err umm you have to give me money".

 

[ManWithNoName]

Lol, he's scared now Mootsy
Seems like he actually read the article now and has changed his stance.
Originally it was like "bwahaha, i will GIVE you money if that happens".
Now it's, "oh but um err umm if it doesnt happen err umm you have to give me money".

Lol how am I scared? I'll still give him the money if either of my predictions don't come off.

It MIGHT get a Best Picture nom but won't win. Harrison Ford won't even get nominated for Best Supporting, and even if he somehow does, a) it'd be a joke, b) he hasn't got a hope in hell. So I've got no idea where it's going to "clean up".

 

[Ice-Wolf]

BB-8 for best supporting actor

 

[exe ex machina]

To those complaining about Finn and Rey being able to overcome Kylo....

The bowcaster was KILLING stormtroopers all the way thru the movie. And that's with the troopers wearing protective armor.
Kylo Ren is a serious dark side villain to be feared.

 

[exe ex machina]

Lol how am I scared? I'll still give him the money if either of my predictions don't come off.

It MIGHT get a Best Picture nom but won't win. Harrison Ford won't even get nominated for Best Supporting, and even if he somehow does, a) it'd be a joke, b) he hasn't got a hope in hell. So I've got no idea where it's going to "clean up".

I'm just riling you up

There's a good chance many categories (bar editing) will get nominated. Might land a couple Oscars, the usual and maybe a left-field one.

 

[glenferry23]

To those complaining about Finn and Rey being able to overcome Kylo....

The bowcaster was KILLING stormtroopers all the way thru the movie. And that's with the troopers wearing protective armor.
Kylo Ren is a serious dark side villain to be feared.

To be fair, he was just toying with Finn. And was already hampered by his injury. Once Finn got that "lucky" shot it, Kylo swept him aside. It was over in a few seconds after that.

 

[exe ex machina]

I'll be interested to see if they let a female protagonist have a master, in this cultural climate. Imagine the outrage Rey calling Luke master would cause. Why imo they'll make her refer to him only as "father".

 

[ManWithNoName]

I'm just riling you up

There's a good chance many categories (bar editing) will get nominated. Might land a couple Oscars, the usual and maybe a left-field one.

I can see it getting a nom in Visual Effects and Original Score. MAYBE Best Picture. I struggle to see many beyond that.

 

[exe ex machina]

To be fair, he was just toying with Finn. And was already hampered by his injury. Once Finn got that "lucky" shot it, Kylo swept him aside. It was over in a few seconds after that.

Bad strategy by Kylo tho. He should've force-pinned Finn, like he did earlier with Rey, and just walked up to him and decapitated him. Simple, over. Then he could have his little battle of wits with his cousin.

 

[exe ex machina]

I can see it getting a nom in Visual Effects and Original Score. MAYBE Best Picture. I struggle to see many beyond that.

What about a nom for my bro Adam Driver best supp actor? Or Ridley?
What about Director of Photography?

 

[exe ex machina]

The full backstory of The Force Awakens....

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-journey-force-awakens-guide/

 

[Ice-Wolf]

I can see it getting a nom in Visual Effects and Original Score. MAYBE Best Picture. I struggle to see many beyond that.

Best foreign language film?

One things for sure it will sweep the Nickelodeon and MTV movie awards.

 

[Millky95]

The full backstory of The Force Awakens....

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-journey-force-awakens-guide/

This will be awesome. Thank you

 

[Portmanteau]

Let's workshop ways in which the writers can get the phrase 'Star Wars' in the script for the next movie.

 

[FootyJunkie]

Who is supposed to be more powerful in SW canon out of Luke and Anakin?

Lukin

 

[GPW1]

I'll be interested to see if they let a female protagonist have a master, in this cultural climate. Imagine the outrage Rey calling Luke master would cause. Why imo they'll make her refer to him only as "father".

What about a black guy calling a white guy master?

 

[ManWithNoName]

What about a black guy calling a white guy master?

Well given we survived Vader calling the Emperor Master in ESB and ROTJ...

 

[Knifey Spoony]

BB-8 for best supporting actor

 

[exe ex machina]

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Can be misconstrued as giving the finger.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

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It was a supporting role, plus you've got a better chance to win in that category. You don't want the indignity of being nominated in a technical category do you?

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Can be misconstrued as giving the finger.

Which I think was exactly the point in the movie BB-8 was giving Finn the finger. Spiritual successor to R2-D2.

 

[Footypie32]

Anakin was supposed to be GOAT but could never fulfil his potential in account of his getting rekt by Obi Wan. This is why the Emperor was after Luke in RotJ, I think.

Luke was obviously more powerful by the end of RotJ because he defeated Anakin.

I always felt like Luke only beat Anakin by playing the "son" card. eg if they weren't related Anakin would have kicked his arse.

Mind you, if they fought each other at the same age, who knows...

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Mind you, if they fought each other at the same age, who knows...

If Luke had fought an Anakin that was more man than machine Anakin would have wiped the floor with him.

 

[glenferry23]

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Cracked up laughing both times at this scene, was a very good little exchange between him & Finn. Most of the cinema laughed, he really was a great new character.