No Oppo Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

[DERO]

Gotta admit that I do love the passion, even if I don't agree with the direction at times. If the shit went down, I'd be happy to have you blokes in my corner...

 

[Bombermania]

That is revisionist nonsense. By revisionist, I mean that you are re-evaluating Hird in the light of the guilty verdict handed down to the players.
I said a very long time ago that the final outcome would be determined by legalisms (definition of burden of proof, willingness of CAS to make assumptions etc etc), and that how Hird acted, and how the players acted, should not be judged by what is the final outcome.
And it is true.
Hird did no wrong. The players did no wrong. The fact that CAS found the players guilty says a lot about the WADA code, and what WADA and CAS combined found necessary and desirable to guard against future potential drug use by a sporting team. It does NOT, in my estimation, give me cause to revise what I believe the players, and Hird, are, and that is innocent victims of a dubious, and possibly deceitful program run by Robinson and Dank.

My respect for Hird remains. I actually respect him more than I did as a player as a result of how he has conducted himself over the last 3 years.
Hird and the club are taking a break from each other because of the answer to the question that Hird asked prior to his relinquishing the coaching position, which was "Do you think that the club will ever be treated fairly while I am coach?". The answer was "No".
The general public will try to revise this to Hird leaving in disgrace. He didn't. He left because the public, the press, and the AFL made it impossible for the club to get "clean air" as long as he was still there, such was their need to blame him.

So don't include me when you say many have lost respect for him over what has happened. I think I have a very good understanding of what has happened.

I am judging Hirdy on how he has conducted himself based on his interviews and the evidence which I admit hasn't always been fully covered by the dears in the media.

I agree with you that the players are innocence but my issue with Hirdy isn't so much about quilt but rather the way he explains things, he has claimed that he will tell the full story yet what I have heard comes across as questionable and at times little more than buck passing and most damming of all he seems to hold a positive view of Dank the Wank, now if I was in his shoes, no way would I have a nice word to say about Dank the Wank.

The players were found guilty due in large part to the view of WADA & CAS that the sports person is fully and totally responsible for what is in their body, regardless of circumstances, this is largely to combat the East German athletics and Chinese swimmers scenario and totally ignores the nature of AFL clubs.

 

[yaco55]

I am still of the opinion that the James Hird Academy needs to be renamed - It's a bad look for the club.

 

[EnolaGay]

I am still of the opinion that the James Hird Academy needs to be renamed - It's a bad look for the club.

Agreed - how about "The Dean & Steve Academy for Kids That Need to Grow Massively Unnaturally Quickly"?

 

[MightyDon]

Agreed - how about "The Dean & Steve Academy for Kids That Need to Grow Massively Unnaturally Quickly"?

Aren't they already called the Gold Coast Suns?

 

[Doss]

I still chuckle at that time one bullshit spreader tried to tell us that the Allan. T. Hird at Windy Hill stand was going to be renamed.

 

[efcboy]

The March is a waste of time and money. The organisers are advising potential participants to not stand by their belief that the players are innocent. What a joke.

This year is a gap year. Forget what anybody else says - they just want bums on seats and income. And they want us the mug supporters to cough up the money.

I'd advise everyone to stand for what you believe in. Anything else and you are wasting your time and money.

 

[yodellinhank]

Yeah, i'm not too fused about it. Depends on how you look at it, maybe a good chance to be part of the community? Maybe a good chance to brush shoulders with some club people? Maybe another shit eating exercise?

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

I am still of the opinion that the James Hird Academy needs to be renamed - It's a bad look for the club.

Why don't we change our name also.

How about Strathmore Condors and we'll wear green and blue.

 

[Doss]

Glenbervie Strafers.

 

[Doss]

(everyone probably rightfully wondering wtf a 'Glenbervie' is)

 

[boncer34]

(everyone probably rightfully wondering wtf a 'Glenbervie' is)

Isn't it that place on the Craigeburn line?

 

[Doss]

A non-descript train station between Essendon and Strathmore.

 

[Jesse Custer]

Jacana Junkies. Suit us well.

 

[Dave]

(everyone probably rightfully wondering wtf a 'Glenbervie' is)

Nope.

 

[Eleven 38]

Useless fact: Glenbervie station is closer to windy hill than Essendon station.

 

[Doss]

Useless fact: Glenbervie station is closer to windy hill than Essendon station.

I have always said this too, and been scoffed at often. It's especially the case if you're using the northern entrance near Brewster Street, which on VFL match days is the only entrance open. Has the added bonus of not having a big annoying roundabout junction in the way too.

 

[Whispering_Jack]

I have always said this too, and been scoffed at often. It's especially the case if you're using the northern entrance near Brewster Street, which on VFL match days is the only entrance open. Has the added bonus of not having a big annoying roundabout junction in the way too.

The only benefit to Essendon station is that it's one stop closer to the city (so it's borderline which one gets you there first) and also has shops on the way to grab food/drinks, but Glenbervie is definitely closer.

 

[expires]

That is revisionist nonsense. By revisionist, I mean that you are re-evaluating Hird in the light of the guilty verdict handed down to the players.
I said a very long time ago that the final outcome would be determined by legalisms (definition of burden of proof, willingness of CAS to make assumptions etc etc), and that how Hird acted, and how the players acted, should not be judged by what is the final outcome.
And it is true.
Hird did no wrong. The players did no wrong. The fact that CAS found the players guilty says a lot about the WADA code, and what WADA and CAS combined found necessary and desirable to guard against future potential drug use by a sporting team. It does NOT, in my estimation, give me cause to revise what I believe the players, and Hird, are, and that is innocent victims of a dubious, and possibly deceitful program run by Robinson and Dank.

My respect for Hird remains. I actually respect him more than I did as a player as a result of how he has conducted himself over the last 3 years.
Hird and the club are taking a break from each other because of the answer to the question that Hird asked prior to his relinquishing the coaching position, which was "Do you think that the club will ever be treated fairly while I am coach?". The answer was "No".
The general public will try to revise this to Hird leaving in disgrace. He didn't. He left because the public, the press, and the AFL made it impossible for the club to get "clean air" as long as he was still there, such was their need to blame him.

So don't include me when you say many have lost respect for him over what has happened. I think I have a very good understanding of what has happened.

Sat bolt upright as reading progressed. Can say no more.

 

[Mercurial89]

Sharapova tested positive at Aus open.

I think it was meldonium which yaco55 I think you have brought up a few times?

 

[Autobahn]

A russian using banned substances, since when?

 

[DapperJong]

Used it for 10 years before it was put on to the list.

 

[Mercurial89]

Used it for 10 years before it was put on to the list.

Yep,
Medical condition, has been taking it since 2006, the medicine goes by another name and that is the one on the banned list effective 1st Jan.

Just like that, reputation is tarnished.

 

[Don Won]

It is the athletes responsibility to understand the molecular structure of anything surrounding them, and to check the wada website before consuming anything.

 

[Don Won]

Yep,
Medical condition, has been taking it since 2006, the medicine goes by another name and that is the one on the banned list effective 1st Jan.

Just like that, reputation is tarnished.

On that, I assume she has been listing it on all her drug test forms for years. A little 'heads-up' might have been nice.