Who's afraid of Rupert Murdoch? The end of an era.

[Power Raid]

Shitty spin on a stupid question.

It is the heart of the issue.

 

[CM86]

It is the heart of the issue.

If you actually thought you had a solid point, you wouldn't need to constantly exaggerate, over use hyperbole, and frame ridiculous questions that can only give the answer you want.

This is what you do:
The NBN isn't great, but it can help save lives.
You don't want to stop lives from being saved, do you?

 

[Maggie5]

How can anyone take the Murdoch pres seriously.

I noticed the headline on Google and regretfully decided to click on it:
Brussels attacks: Australian Muslim families are under pressure like never before

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e/news-story/a919d5edee0d736b9232cadd1d756a39

Within the 26 paragraphs, there was only one line "Australian Muslim families today are under pressure like never before" that had any link to the headline. (only repeating the headline).

Seriously people pay to read this?

 

[rodney hoo]

How can anyone take the Murdoch pres seriously.

I noticed the headline on Google and regretfully decided to click on it:
Brussels attacks: Australian Muslim families are under pressure like never before

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e/news-story/a919d5edee0d736b9232cadd1d756a39

Within the 26 paragraphs, there was only one line "Australian Muslim families today are under pressure like never before" that had any link to the headline.

Seriously people pay to read this?

It stirs the biggots up, they only look at the headline, it's crap but being happening for years.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Just pointing out that everything usual is still happening.

Fairfax is still hinting they might scrap weekday prints and News Corp is talking cost-cutting in the UK and Aus:

Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation has slipped into the red, reporting a third-quarter loss of US$149m (A$200m) after revenue dropped 7.3%. Advertising revenue fell 9.7% and circulation and subscription revenue dropped 3.6%, while the company also took a $US280m pre-tax hit from a lawsuit.
...
Meanwhile, Fairfax Media said revenue for the first 17 weeks of its second half was down between 2% and 3%. The company said metro media revenue, which includes the Domain real estate advertising business, was up about 2%.

News Corp still spinning as hard as ever:

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Just pointing out that everything usual is still happening.

Fairfax is still hinting they might scrap weekday prints and News Corp is talking cost-cutting in the UK and Aus:


News Corp still spinning as hard as ever:

They may be spinning but it seems more half-hearted, they appear to also be having a go at him at the same.

 

[NSWCROW]

Pity it's taken Miranda so long to figure out who the real kents are.

 

[sherb]

How can anyone take the Murdoch pres seriously.

I feel sincere pity for anyone who believes the Murdoch press.

PS - Sorry to see you go Maggie.

 

[Gough]

I feel sincere pity for anyone who believes the Murdoch press.

PS - Sorry to see you go Maggie.

Second this, always enjoyed Mags' posts.

 

[spinynorman]

He's off to a cracking start.

 

[swingdog]

"Fluffy animals, drugs and sexual freedom."

Well, that's my vote.

 

[NSWCROW]

Senile old fool ( using either worm Benson or Meers as his mouthpiece ) comes out day 1 and shows everyone what he fears the most

Knows he needs to push as far right as he's ever dared to stop the Green tsunami.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

He's off to a cracking start.


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The thing with this is it shows how little respect they have for the intelligence of their own readers. When they use slogans and outrageous spin, like Abbott did, they are really saying 'this is all you people will ever understand'.

Another thing I've noted recently is how often they refer to the working class as if they were all white. They talk about the reasons why the working class vote for people like Hanson as if there aren't a truck-load of immigrants working their way up from the working class because their degrees aren't recognised here or they or their parents were refugees (economic or otherwise).

 

[Power Raid]

but "moving forward"...........

 

[Reynolds Number]

 

[Lebbo73]

He's off to a cracking start.


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"Of course, it's hard to help workers if the economy is stuffed."

The DT has nailed it in one. Governments can't do s**t for anyone if the economy is stuffed!

 

[Forward Press]

"Of course, it's hard to help workers if the economy is stuffed."

The DT has nailed it in one. Governments can't do s**t for anyone if the economy is stuffed!

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Lebbo's head.

 

[Lebbo73]

-----------Point------------->





Lebbo's head.

It is a simple point. Company tax is at crazy levels. No one is going to hire extra staff when govts are over taxing. It has been proven over and over again that reducing company tax results in a rise in actual tax revenue.
Shorten us being a deceptive campaigner when he carries on about class warfare. He supported all of these policies at some stage. Most of them recently. Besides, most people on under $80k don't pay much tax. Those with children actually pay very little net tax.
The only way we can create enough jobs for Australians is through business. Govts can't do this.

 

[Patrick Bullet]

It is a simple point. Company tax is at crazy levels. No one is going to hire extra staff when govts are over taxing. It has been proven over and over again that reducing company tax results in a rise in actual tax revenue.

So I guess you'll have no problem proving it then (please go ahead!).

 

[Forward Press]

It is a simple point. Company tax is at crazy levels. No one is going to hire extra staff when govts are over taxing. It has been proven over and over again that reducing company tax results in a rise in actual tax revenue.
Shorten us being a deceptive campaigner when he carries on about class warfare. He supported all of these policies at some stage. Most of them recently. Besides, most people on under $80k don't pay much tax. Those with children actually pay very little net tax.
The only way we can create enough jobs for Australians is through business. Govts can't do this.

We're not discussing policy in this thread. We're discussing the biases of the Murdoch media. You can do mental gymnastics to justify any sort of bias but the point is that national daily papers should at least appear to be impartial which those articles clearly are not.

 

[Lebbo73]

So I guess you'll have no problem proving it then (please go ahead!).

It happened under Howard for starters!

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

It happened under Howard for starters!

The Howard/Rudd tax cuts are a big part of the reason we are in deficit. They were made when the economy was going gangbusters. Gangbusters cannot last forever and sure enough a year later it was gone. The supposed rise in revenue from cutting taxes has categorically not happened. Unsurprisingly cutting taxes has cut revenue. Just like when you give the Clubhouse less money, they give you less golf balls to smack onto the driving range.

And back on topic - the Liberals have been worse for the economy. Confidence is down, economic performance is down, deficit is trebled, unemployment up, etc. etc. The Daily Telegraph lies regularly to its readers.

 

[Power Raid]

So I guess you'll have no problem proving it then (please go ahead!).

it would be interesting to see the tax take in Australia as we cut it from 49% in the late 80s to now at 30% which would need to be looked as as a whole given the flow through to personal income tax

 

[Power Raid]

The total tax take is difficult to see given the various indirect taxes would need to be stripped out but given 80% of tax is personal tax and corporate tax the following graph is reasonably relevant

in short, the tax take has stayed relatively stable. the highs correspond nicely to the increase in CGT takes during the boom.

meaning lowering the corporate tax rate has not lowered the tax take. the reason for this is the corporate tax rate is lower than personal tax rates and the flow through of franking credits. Interestingly, lowering personal tax rates has also not resulted in a decrease in tax takes which can be explained in part by broadening the tax base.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

It is not news that the Hawke/Keating 'recession we had to have' set us up for the growth in revenue that allowed us to pay off the debt. It is not news that recessions (or near-recessions as what happened in the GFC) drop revenue. It isn't even really news that Howard was high-taxing (although of course the Liberals like to pretend he wasn't). Nor is it news that the tax cuts that came with the GST and then in 2007 reduced revenue as the graphs help show.

Now to try again to bring this back on topic: The Daily Telegraph isn't news either. It's Murdoch propaganda.