2016 Non-Crows AFL Discussion - Cont. in Part 2 (link in OP)

[MarcusP2]

His last post is 5 days ago, saying he was trying to get back on the footy field. Then that one. I think, coupled with the 'brutal sometimes', concussion is likely.

 

[jenny61_99]

Bow down to the one you serve....

Oh and while you are down there.....

 

[PrideOf]

They had excepted Port. It was the SANFL that thwarted our attempt to join.

I do like your theory though on how the Vic clubs could have really capitalized on SA members. I have never considered that before.

Before the Crows joined, I was a passive Carlton fan.

Yes, the VFL as a League had accepted Port on principle, but they really didn't fight that hard (or prepared well enough) for the inevitable legal battle.

If you read Ross Oakley's book, it would appear the VFL clubs also voted for the SANFL out of their own self-interest as well. The whole SANFL league could bankroll a license far easier than one of its clubs, in their eyes. And the license money was what it was all about.

If they'd played their cards differently, they could have had Port first, then Norwood, and 75% of the rest of the footy public following a VFL team affiliated with what was left of the SANFL clubs (Sydney-North, Carlton-Sturt, Richmond-Glenelg etc).

 

[icrow32]

Yea I can't imagine why there is no sympathy

According to port supporters the crows are the ones who disrespect the SANFL because we wanted to wear the SANFL jumper. Wanting the SANFL to die though is ok

#portlogic

 

[NikkiNoo]

Final Siren put up an interestingly new squiggle of how each club has fared under their new coach

Go check out the thread on the main board (linked above), because the squiggle of the actual Freo movement is hilarious and depressing at the same time.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Credit to Final Siren for making me spit coffee over my keyboard with Ross Lyon's journey..

 

[PrideOf]

According to port supporters the crows are the ones who disrespect the SANFL because we wanted to wear the SANFL jumper. Wanting the SANFL to die though is ok

#portlogic

#portlogic *shakes head*

 

[MarcusP2]

What about Buckley running away from the premiership zone at a rate of knots?

 

[Scorpus]

What about Buckley running away from the premiership zone at a rate of knots?

Thank Eddie for refusing to fire him. Buckley is clearly a shit coach.

 

[knobby]

Siggins in push to leave Lauderdale
16 May 2016
Sachie
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Categories: Club, Feature News, Lauderdale, Mercury, News, Slider



By Adam Smith, The Mercury

LAUDERDALE will meet with prized off-season signing Sam Siggins today after the former Adelaide-listed defender asked for a clearance from the club.

Tensions have been simmering between Siggins and coach Darren Winter for several weeks and escalated across the weekend following a TV interview Winter gave prior to the Bombers’ TSL victory over Hobart City on Friday night.

Siggins missed the loss to Burnie three weeks ago with what the club described as an ankle injury, and was again absent on Friday night against the Demons.

Winter told Southern Cross the key utility, by mutual agreement, would take a break from footy to deal with personal issues.

The 22-year-old opened up to the Mercury late last year about his battle with depression, which haunted his final year in the AFL system and led to him returning home to be closer to friends and family.

He returned to the Bombers – his junior club from which he was drafted by the Crows in 2012 – but is understood to have struggled under Winter in the first third of the State League season.

“I’m disappointed that I wasn’t told that the coach was commenting about my future on TV,” Siggins told the Mercury last night via a brief statement.

“It’s disrespectful to myself and my family.

“I hadn’t made a decision on my playing future and was very disappointed with what was aired on Friday night.”

Siggins declined to comment when asked on his future in the TSL, and the Mercuryunderstands he will enlist the help of AFL Tasmania and the AFL Players Association to gain clearance if needed.

Bombers president Julie Kay said she was unaware of any application from Siggins to leave the club, but will sit down with him today in an effort to sort any differences.

“We need to get everything cleared up about what the problem is – we just don’t know,” Kay said. “We keep hearing bits and pieces.”

 

[GROTTO]

In what way are you limited? Shouldn't be allowed.

Ladbrokes won't let me win more than $50 and won't let me multi anything. I can't even have multiple bets for a single game. Like Crows to win and say if I picked also Crows to cover the line.

WH have banned me with max of $10 bets.

Sportsbet and bet365 have banned me from promotions. Sportsbet have occasionally change my bets, ie I picked the Crows to beat the saints by -29.5 and place a bet, they change the line to -30.5 only for me. The a-29.5 remains the same for everyone else. Bet365 won't let me Cashout bets as well. I wanted to Cashout my super multi at HT, as I was worried about the Crows not covering the total score but they were ahead at ht so I felt confident I would get a good Cashout. I wasn't well on the day, in a perfect world, I should have hedged the bet somewhere else.

Crown love me as that's my account I use to cover bets if I want to hedge. It almost always loses and hence I get amazing promotions from them often get $500-$1000 bonus bets all the time.

You cannot be a successful long term punter and not be banned or limited. I know guys that bet small amounts ie under $100 and still get limited or banned.

 

[Geoffa32]

I don't really care if Glenelg survive or not as I have no real interest in the SANFL other than how our younger players are developing in our Port Reserves.

I am always interested in comments like 'Port screwed the SANFL' when they sought to join the VFL/AFL.

Have any of you on this board ever considered that the SANFL in fact screwed itself by forming the Adelaide Crows. They created an entity that represented what seemed back then when it was formed, a representative team for South Australia. This in itself led to supporters of all the SANFL clubs to abandon their competition to get involved in a club in a superior competition.

Had Port joined the AFL, the supporter bases of all the other SANFL clubs may have just kept going to SANFL games (for the short term at least) because I highly doubt they would have supported Port in the AFL.

None of you on this board can deny that eventually the National Competition (with or without Crows and Port) would have decimated all of the local State Leagues.

Port saw the writing on the wall and so sought to ensure its future. Nothing wrong with that, it just human nature.

As you say there was always going to be an Aussie Rules National competition.

The biggest shame about this Comp (the expanded VFL) is that WA Tassie and SA allowed for this competition to become what we have now.

Most of the VFL clubs were broke in the late 80s. There is a great article on The Age website about how the VFL used licence fees from the WCE (AKA Pacific Holdings Ltd) and the Brisbane Bears. They then needed more money so coaxed SA to join their league. Paying licence fees to prop up the VFL.

Is a shame that WA, SA and Tassie could not hold firm and force a proper National League. Imagine a system that could incorporate all the state league clubs into a National League. Could have had promotion and relegation.


But no, we are stuck with an expanded VFL.

 

[chazwazza]

I don't really care if Glenelg survive or not as I have no real interest in the SANFL other than how our younger players are developing in our Port Reserves.

I am always interested in comments like 'Port screwed the SANFL' when they sought to join the VFL/AFL.

Have any of you on this board ever considered that the SANFL in fact screwed itself by forming the Adelaide Crows. They created an entity that represented what seemed back then when it was formed, a representative team for South Australia. This in itself led to supporters of all the SANFL clubs to abandon their competition to get involved in a club in a superior competition.

Had Port joined the AFL, the supporter bases of all the other SANFL clubs may have just kept going to SANFL games (for the short term at least) because I highly doubt they would have supported Port in the AFL.

None of you on this board can deny that eventually the National Competition (with or without Crows and Port) would have decimated all of the local State Leagues.

Port saw the writing on the wall and so sought to ensure its future. Nothing wrong with that, it just human nature.

The VFL and Ross Oakley at the time always wanted a composite team from the SANFL like they got in WA. They used Port as the lever to call the SANFL's bluff and force their hand. This is written in Oakleys book. Maybe if the SANFL clubs had remained united and steadfast we could've forced the VFL's hand and helped create a national comp that wasn't controlled so heavily by the VFL. Due to self interest and a lack of foresight this is pretty well gone for good. Anytime I hear Port supporters complaining about a Victorian-centric competition I just laugh. You get what you deserve.

 

[NikkiNoo]

Sounds like the coach isn't very up with how to deal with someone suffering from depression, so Sam is looking to head somewhere else to assist him better.

 

[GROTTO]

I'm not sure if it was mentioned on here before, I'm just watching Backpage on Foxtel and they showed that Betts was trying to show the girl in the women's game how to kick the ball from the boundary line during the game as she had a set shot after a mark.

I think it was the winning goal too. For the record, she went the drop punt and it scored, but she thanked him after she kicked it.

The point I would like to make is that I admire and man love the guy. We didn't recruit a small forward only, we recruited a guy that yes is a small forward, but kicks goals, incredibly impossible for many, goal assists, mentors players before, during and after the game epitomises the strong values of a family man, loved by almost every AFL supporter and gives us national exposure via the AFL advertising campaign.

In addition to think in hindsight we paid massive unders for him today, a lot of credit needs to go the person or persons involved in getting him to the AFC.

Toast to Eddie.

 

[cmndstab]

Its a club competition, not a State competition

What does that matter? We're not talking about what was the best fit to suit the VFL, we're talking about what was best for the SANFL. It is obvious to everybody that Port leaving the SANFL was a worst-case scenario.

Thanks for admitting that the SANFL shot itself by forming the Crows, respect

No problem. Are you big enough to admit that they had to shoot themselves because the only alternative left to them by your club was even worse?

We had the agreement so the bid did not have to fail. It was killed off in a court room.

That sounds like a failure to me.


Look, I'm not an old dyed-in-the-wool SANFL man. I never followed it as a kid, the two AFL teams are all I've ever known. I don't have a lifetime of angst towards Port Adelaide. I understand the desire to move to another competition and dominate there after a century of dominating the SANFL. I can even, on some level, respect it. Sometimes, in order to be the best, you've got to step on other people to get there. But having made that choice to lie through your teeth and then turn your back on the SANFL and every club therein, and effectively dealing what would have been a killing blow to them, you then lose the right to deride them for doing what they needed to do to survive. Your club made the choice to screw everyone else over for their own gain, and any supporter with the slightest semblance of integrity would admit to it rather than trying to pretend the SANFL, of all entities, are to blame for the current state of affairs.

 

[SmegHead]

As you say there was always going to be an Aussie Rules National competition.

The biggest shame about this Comp (the expanded VFL) is that WA Tassie and SA allowed for this competition to become what we have now.

Most of the VFL clubs were broke in the late 80s. There is a great article on The Age website about how the VFL used licence fees from the WCE (AKA Pacific Holdings Ltd) and the Brisbane Bears. They then needed more money so coaxed SA to join their league. Paying licence fees to prop up the VFL.

Is a shame that WA, SA and Tassie could not hold firm and force a proper National League. Imagine a system that could incorporate all the state league clubs into a National League. Could have had promotion and relegation.


But no, we are stuck with an expanded VFL.

Search Youtube for the old Fox Footy "Headliners" program's episodes on the creation of the Bears, Eagles and Crows. they are very well done analyses on how the VFL was in freefall and screwed over the west and north to stay alive. The SANFL were trying to do the right thing and not only disagreed with having to pay a 4 million dollar fee to join a Victorian competition, but also felt that the number of clubs in Melbourne was unsustainable in the long term. For all of PAFC's assertions that they "saw that the SANFL was in decline and sought to secure their future" they failed to realise what the SANFL saw and in their arrogance forced the hand of the league. they also didnt see that they were merely a pawn of the VFL to get an SA team in the new AFL.

But as I said before, that all happened 25 years ago. Time for everyone to get over it.

 

[relapse]

I don't really care if Glenelg survive or not as I have no real interest in the SANFL other than how our younger players are developing in our Port Reserves.

I am always interested in comments like 'Port screwed the SANFL' when they sought to join the VFL/AFL.

Have any of you on this board ever considered that the SANFL in fact screwed itself by forming the Adelaide Crows. They created an entity that represented what seemed back then when it was formed, a representative team for South Australia. This in itself led to supporters of all the SANFL clubs to abandon their competition to get involved in a club in a superior competition.

Had Port joined the AFL, the supporter bases of all the other SANFL clubs may have just kept going to SANFL games (for the short term at least) because I highly doubt they would have supported Port in the AFL.

None of you on this board can deny that eventually the National Competition (with or without Crows and Port) would have decimated all of the local State Leagues.

Port saw the writing on the wall and so sought to ensure its future. Nothing wrong with that, it just human nature.

Have you also considered that Port woud have more than likely gone bankrupt if they went rogue. People need to keep in mind that it wasn't million dollar profits back when the Crows entered the AFL. The Brisbane Bears and West Coast were very close to being bankrupt in the late 80s and the general feeling was the Crows were going to be a huge financial burden for the SANFL originally.

How things panned out most probably gave Port the best possible opportnity for long term survival.

 

[knobby]

I'm not sure if it was mentioned on here before, I'm just watching Backpage on Foxtel and they showed that Betts was trying to show the girl in the women's game how to kick the ball from the boundary line during the game as she had a set shot after a mark.

I think it was the winning goal too. For the record, she went the drop punt and it scored, but she thanked him after she kicked it.

The point I would like to make is that I admire and man love the guy. We didn't recruit a small forward only, we recruited a guy that yes is a small forward, but kicks goals, incredibly impossible for many, goal assists, mentors players before, during and after the game epitomises the strong values of a family man, loved by almost every AFL supporter and gives us national exposure via the AFL advertising campaign.

In addition to think in hindsight we paid massive unders for him today, a lot of credit needs to go the person or persons involved in getting him to the AFC.

Toast to Eddie.

Eddie is as equally a fantastic individual (maybe better) as he is a footballer

 

[1970crow]

Sounds like the coach isn't very up with how to deal with someone suffering from depression, so Sam is looking to head somewhere else to assist him better.

I wouldn't have thought many people, especially in a semi-amateur league, would have the requisite skills. Unless there happens to be someone at the club who works with depressed people in their real job. Sometimes it's just not possible to provide appropriately trained and supportive people to deal with every ailment that people are dealing with.

 

[relapse]

Search Youtube for the old Fox Footy "Headliners" program's episodes on the creation of the Bears, Eagles and Crows. they are very well done analyses on how the VFL was in freefall and screwed over the west and north to stay alive. The SANFL were trying to do the right thing and not only disagreed with having to pay a 4 million dollar fee to join a Victorian competition, but also felt that the number of clubs in Melbourne was unsustainable in the long term. For all of PAFC's assertions that they "saw that the SANFL was in decline and sought to secure their future" they failed to realise what the SANFL saw and in their arrogance forced the hand of the league. they also didnt see that they were merely a pawn of the VFL to get an SA team in the new AFL.

But as I said before, that all happened 25 years ago. Time for everyone to get over it.

The SANFL originally wanted to put a team in the VFL back in the early 80s to stop the drain of players going over to play in the VFL. It failed because the SANFL wanted exclusive rights to SA developed players for that side and the VFL teams voted against it because they thought the team would be too strong.

 

[chazwazza]

As you say there was always going to be an Aussie Rules National competition.

The biggest shame about this Comp (the expanded VFL) is that WA Tassie and SA allowed for this competition to become what we have now.

Most of the VFL clubs were broke in the late 80s. There is a great article on The Age website about how the VFL used licence fees from the WCE (AKA Pacific Holdings Ltd) and the Brisbane Bears. They then needed more money so coaxed SA to join their league. Paying licence fees to prop up the VFL.

Is a shame that WA, SA and Tassie could not hold firm and force a proper National League. Imagine a system that could incorporate all the state league clubs into a National League. Could have had promotion and relegation.


But no, we are stuck with an expanded VFL.

This 110%

 

[Geoffa32]

I'm not sure if it was mentioned on here before, I'm just watching Backpage on Foxtel and they showed that Betts was trying to show the girl in the women's game how to kick the ball from the boundary line during the game as she had a set shot after a mark.

I think it was the winning goal too. For the record, she went the drop punt and it scored, but she thanked him after she kicked it.

The point I would like to make is that I admire and man love the guy. We didn't recruit a small forward only, we recruited a guy that yes is a small forward, but kicks goals, incredibly impossible for many, goal assists, mentors players before, during and after the game epitomises the strong values of a family man, loved by almost every AFL supporter and gives us national exposure via the AFL advertising campaign.

In addition to think in hindsight we paid massive unders for him today, a lot of credit needs to go the person or persons involved in getting him to the AFC.

Toast to Eddie.

Eddie lives near Lockleys Oval and is quite often going down to watch Amateur footy and have a chat and help out there.

Is just a good bloke who loves helping people with their footy. Will make a great skills coach.

 

[relapse]

As you say there was always going to be an Aussie Rules National competition.

The biggest shame about this Comp (the expanded VFL) is that WA Tassie and SA allowed for this competition to become what we have now.

Most of the VFL clubs were broke in the late 80s. There is a great article on The Age website about how the VFL used licence fees from the WCE (AKA Pacific Holdings Ltd) and the Brisbane Bears. They then needed more money so coaxed SA to join their league. Paying licence fees to prop up the VFL.

Is a shame that WA, SA and Tassie could not hold firm and force a proper National League. Imagine a system that could incorporate all the state league clubs into a National League. Could have had promotion and relegation.


But no, we are stuck with an expanded VFL.

Yeah I have to agree.

Being brutally honest the ideal structure finanically for the AFL would be

West Coast
Fremantle
Adelaide
Port
Sydney
Brisbane
Collingwood
Carlton
Essendon
Richmond
Hawthorn
Geelong
Tasmania

13 teams and everyone plays everyone twice over 24 weeks.

Unfortunately we're stuck with a VFL/pseudo-Australian League.

 

[PrideOf]

The SANFL originally wanted to put a team in the VFL back in the early 80s to stop the drain of players going over to play in the VFL. It failed because the SANFL wanted exclusive rights to SA developed players for that side and the VFL teams voted against it because they thought the team would be too strong.

Like how they pushed hard against allowing West Coast too many WA players because they'd be "too strong". Or voted to make the Brisbane Bears a C-grade SAFA side built of castoffs and hacks because otherwise they'd be "too strong".

If the WAFL hadn't blinked in 1986, and Christopher Skase had been outed as a snakeoil salesman about 10 years earlier than he was, we could have had a proper national competition, with no "interstate teams" and no ******* commentators going "he'd be a much bigger name if he was here in Victoria".

What could have been ...