Play Nice Eddie McGuire comments on holding Caro Wilson underwater

[Jade]

You're the one that wanted to go running to the mods after I suggested you were lacking in common sense. If you want to actually discuss the issue go right ahead.

I did no such thing. I suggested you might want to tone down the manner in which you speak, particularly on a thread I have no doubt is testing the limits of how trigger happy our esteemed moderators can be. I'm a nice guy like that - don't want people so worked up that they get the digital paddlin'.

And I am discussing the issue - at some length.

 

[DemonJim]

I did no such thing. I suggested you might want to tone down the manner in which you speak, particularly on a thread I have no doubt is testing the limits of how trigger happy our esteemed moderators can be. I'm a nice guy like that - don't want people so worked up that they get the digital paddlin'.

And I am discussing the issue - at some length.

It's all about girth though!

 

[PoppedCorn]

Ffs

Get a blanket and a cheese platter and talk it out away from here

 

[Lakeside Swan]

If I was a mate? I don't think those guys and caro are mates. If Id get carded on here maybe that tells you something about the nature of the remark, joking or otherwise.

It goes further than that. JB, Spud and especially McGuire have a long history of bullying of and bitterness towards Caro. The only way that you could interpret the comments they made was as an outright insult intended to belittle and humiliate as you would do with your worst enemy.

 

[Jade]

It's all about girth though!

Nice. Nice.

 

[SM]

I did no such thing. I suggested you might want to tone down the manner in which you speak, particularly on a thread I have no doubt is testing the limits of how trigger happy our esteemed moderators can be. I'm a nice guy like that - don't want people so worked up that they get the digital paddlin'.

And I am discussing the issue - at some length.

Are you seriously suggesting that me observing that some in this thread are lacking in common sense - something you yourself had literally just suggested - meant that I was out of line?

Jesus Christ.

 

[Jade]

It goes further than that. JB, Spud and especially McGuire have a long history of bullying of and bitterness towards Caro. The only way that you could interpret the comments they made was as an outright insult intended to belittle and humiliate as you would do with your worst enemy.

I think it is bleedingly obvious that, McGuire at the very least, REALLY doesn't like Caro.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

It goes further than that. JB, Spud and especially McGuire have a long history of bullying of and bitterness towards Caro. The only way that you could interpret the comments they made was as an outright insult intended to belittle and humiliate as you would do with your worst enemy.

i agree. i don't think there is any more depth to this issue than that. the problem is people making this into sexism issue when it's nothing more than a media person taking a cheap shot another.

 

[Jade]

Are you seriously suggesting that me observing that some in this thread are lacking in common sense - something you yourself had literally just suggested - meant that I was out of line?

Jesus Christ.

Not in the slightest. I'm suggesting that you seem a little bit agitated, and may have done something silly.

I doubt that you will now though.

 

[T2B_]

Not sure it's actually sexist, unless Eddie has a history of it.

But my first thought upon seeing the transcript was it was a bloody harsh thing to say. I wouldn't have liked it if he'd said it about a male journalist. Fair enough not to like someone but one could choose their words better on air.

 

[DemonJim]

Ffs

Get a blanket and a cheese platter and talk it out away from here

I take it the w(h)ine will come along with it?

 

[SM]

To break it down:

anyone with common sense can see that's not what happened.

Well there's your problem.

Here you suggest people in here don't have common sense.

And also because what I said could constitute a threat. An intent to cause bodily harm. Which is frowned upon. Can you understand why Eddie's comments were frowned upon?

You should use some of that common sense you're bemoaning is lacking on here.

You should watch what you accuse other people of, lest you end up on the wrong side of our agitated mods.

Here you suggested I was accusing you of something, because I suggested you use common sense.

Not accusing you of anything, saying you should be careful.

Then you said you weren't accusing me of anything, which doesn't even make sense when I was asking you to clarify what I was accusing you of.

You really are running around in circles.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Even though I don't see sexism in the comments made, as a standalone and I know people have ripped into Caroline Wilson for finding sexism in the comments, which in itself is ridiculous to attack the person who was minding their own business and was drawn into it by the guys joking about her (i.e victim blaming), one thing we have to consider is that Caro feels like Eddie is sexist towards her, an opinion built by previous interactions (of which none of us can comment on), and other behaviours that are public knowledge (Jessica Rowe boning for example).

Seems we have been here before though. The Adam Goodes booing was considered to be racist by a large amount of people. In isolation people don't see it, so the community ended up running with how it was received. Perhaps multiple isolated incidents add up to a overwhelming perception.

Maybe no racism was intended .... maybe no sexism was intended, but it seems that everybody in the AFL industry should be aware of history and how things are received, Eddie more than most perhaps.

We can't determine intent of sexism based on isolated incidents, but maybe we are not close enough and perhaps shouldn't be as vehement and angry in declaring there was none. We certainly shouldn't be attacking the very person who already felt like she had been attacked, simply because she didn't come out, have a laugh and pass it off as a big nothing so we can all go about our business.

Seems like a few people complaining about the PC outrage, have been quite outraged about the outrage and you'd have to ask yourself ... why are you angry? Is it a challenge to your own views on accepted behaviours or do you feel your freedom to say certain things and be a certain way under scrutiny?

For many, it shouldn't be an issue to consider how what you say might tie into a bigger picture. Won't upset our lives too much, will it?

 

[Jade]

To break it down:





Here you suggest people in here don't have common sense.





Here you suggested I was accusing you of something, because I suggested you use common sense.



Then you said you weren't accusing me of anything, which doesn't even make sense when I was asking you to clarify what I was accusing you of.

You really are running around in circles.

May I suggest a Google search of strawman fallacy?

 

[Jade]

Seems like a few people complaining about the PC outrage, have been quite outraged about the outrage and you'd have to ask yourself ... why are you angry? Is it a challenge to your own views on accepted behaviours or do you feel your freedom to say certain things and be a certain way under scrutiny?

For many, it shouldn't be an issue to consider how what you say might tie into a bigger picture. Won't upset our lives too much, will it?

Whilst I hadn't quite thought about it in that way, the highlighted is probably my concern.

Being accused of encouraging violence against women, whether directly or through inference, is an incredibly harsh accusation in todays environment.

It's almost like being accused of being a kiddie fiddler, or that you rob little old ladies - it has a stigma and tends to stick. In that way, it needs to be an accusation that is only levelled when you are REALLY sure that it is warranted.

It bothers me that despite the utter buffoonery of the comments, that people were so quick to label in this way.

 

[Seedsfan]

I find it laughable that all the do-gooders of the world are up in arms about a joke cracked by Ed calling for him to be sacked from the media and the footy club yet Wayne Carey has a gig on Friday night football even though he beat up his misses

 

[Armchair Critic]

The thing that really gets me is all these people that scream the poor victim , the poor victim (Which is fair enough in itself) . Caro was fully accepting of the apologies and yet the outrage continues. The people who scream the poor victim ,the poor victim don't actually give a **** about the victim at all , it is actually all about their agenda.

 

[Norwood1878]

I find it laughable that all the do-gooders of the world are up in arms about a joke cracked by Ed calling for him to be sacked from the media and the footy club yet Wayne Carey has a gig on Friday night football even though he beat up his misses

Let's not forget this thug.

 

[Lester Burnham]

The comments.........
Hypocrisy, thy name is Caroline Wilson.

True that.

Wilson herself played a not insignificant role in further traumatising “Tracy”. Not long after Martin called Tracy and offered an apology, Wilson all but identified the victim, which led to her receiving vile online abuse, including death threats. Today, an understandably upset Tracy called out the hypocrisy of those within the football world who failed her.

“I find it laughable that Caroline Wilson is so outraged by Eddie’s clearly tongue-in-cheek remark and claims that ‘a line needs to be drawn in the sand against violent comments against women’. This is the same woman who had no problem with identifying me as a victim on radio after one of her beloved Richmond players slammed a fist in to the wall next to my head,” she said.​

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...s/news-story/0494742093ee8b7ea5069edb7e01c6db

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Whilst I hadn't quite thought about it in that way, the highlighted is probably my concern.

Being accused of encouraging violence against women, whether directly or through inference, is an incredibly harsh accusation in todays environment.

It's almost like being accused of being a kiddie fiddler, or that you rob little old ladies - it has a stigma and tends to stick. In that way, it needs to be an accusation that is only levelled when you are REALLY sure that it is warranted.

It bothers me that despite the utter buffoonery of the comments, that people were so quick to label in this way.

I'm learning all the time too and don't like the idea of being caught up in a generalised labelling. I've been accused of being certain things because mud sticks and I was fighting for custody of my child. I totally get it.

I hate that someone will cross the road if I am walking towards them. Mind you, I will cross the road according to my own danger signals as well. It's not necessarily personal. It's reality and people shouldn't compromise their concerns to make me feel better.

I understand that it bothers you that people jump on these things right away and labels them. What gives them the right to take all the air out of a discussion and label it definitively? However, if the recipient labels it as such, what gives us the right to argue with how they have received it and spew forth vitriol accordingly?

As I said, I'm learning every day and trying to understand because it is important.

Someone tells Emma Quayle on her twitter feed that Caro is a dog. She dismisses him as a troll. He sends her hard core pr0n.

I do worry that even reasonable people who don't see a problem with the comments, do not always take the time to consider possibilities and are maybe projecting some sort of tacit approval for the real lowlifes out there.

I think more people can afford to discuss and search for some sort of middle ground, and weigh up all elements before being so forceful in suggesting the problem is with the offended person or persons.

Don't give the real neanderthals air.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I find it laughable that all the do-gooders of the world are up in arms about a joke cracked by Ed calling for him to be sacked from the media and the footy club yet Wayne Carey has a gig on Friday night football even though he beat up his misses

I must have missed the part where the do gooders picked up the phone and offered him a job.

Do you know what the opinion of every do gooder on Wayne Carey is? Do some still consider him a low life? Do some believe that a person can have another chance down the track, a chance to redeem themselves?

Quite a lot of justifications and poor comparisons being made in this thread. A cynic would suggest a lot of deflection.

 

[Chief]

A simple apology is all that is required and move on.

It was probably a bigger issue because McGuire had to try three times before he gave a real apology.

 

[Fadge]

Also, as a young kid I may have paid to use a dunking booth and hurl balls at a teacher or person sitting above the water. I don't recall ever yelling to them that I hoped they drowned and died, funnily I don't recall other people ever doing this too. I'm sorry if I missed the final crucial step in telling the dunkee that I hope they drown.

Maybe wonder if you have some sort of sociopathic or violent underlying issues?

Like Tony Shaw?

 

[justbetter]

To say the LGBT population doesn't have these urges is just outright wrong.

And I never said that the LGBT don't have these urges either.

It's LGBTIQA you heartless bigots.

 

[DemonJim]

It's LGBTIQA you heartless bigots.

I'm not a bigot... I identify as an attack helicopter.