Analysis 2016 List Management Discussion

[LordLucifer]

It is but I can see you sitting behind your PC 'partying like it's 1999' whilst pumping your fists in the air with the 'great news'.
Woohoo lookey here another list spot!

Total lack of respect & typical reply I expected from you Sheik.

Wow, a moderator with x-ray vision and a crystal ball.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

I consider it a Mob, and I couldn't care less what you think.

So if two people agree with you does that mean you're in a mob ganging up on me?
What number of posters in agreement constitutes a mob? 4? 7?

 

[Blue Pulse]

Buddy's 9 year contract is worthless?

Pretty sure Buddy's has a new rule clause, as the AFL were spitting that he went to the wrong NSW club so because he was given such a long contract they have said that his contract would be part of the salary cap even if he does retire- this was my understanding of the his contract.

 

[Jabba73]

Is a mob like a clique?

 

[1981]

So if two people agree with you does that mean you're in a mob ganging up on me?
What number of posters in agreement constitutes a mob? 4? 7?

No, a mob, in my opinion, in this instance, is a group of people who bond together online on a regular, almost daily basis, and gang up on others who aren’t in this group, and who don’t always share the same opinions of the gang. I have been here long enough to see who this gang/mob is comprised of.

I have no long standing allegiance to Sheik. Only in this one instance.

 

[F_therest]

Pretty sure Buddy's has a new rule clause, as the AFL were spitting that he went to the wrong NSW club so because he was given such a long contract they have said that his contract would be part of the salary cap even if he does retire- this was my understanding of the his contract.

Correct.

But I wonder how it works in other situations like ours...clubs can still manipulate it.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Pretty sure Buddy's has a new rule clause, as the AFL were spitting that he went to the wrong NSW club so because he was given such a long contract they have said that his contract would be part of the salary cap even if he does retire- this was my understanding of the his contract.

Because his contract was a Free Agency contract which determines compensation and such, contracts which arise out of Free Agency contracts must be included in the Salary Cap for the full length of the contract.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Is a mob like a clique?

looks like it

 

[ajb72]

I'm Sparticus.

 

[LordLucifer]

Pretty sure Buddy's has a new rule clause, as the AFL were spitting that he went to the wrong NSW club so because he was given such a long contract they have said that his contract would be part of the salary cap even if he does retire- this was my understanding of the his contract.

Correct, also added to that, say for example, he retired after 6-years, the remaining 3-years of his contract go into the next year's salary cap so if that were to happen, the Swans would blow their cap to smithereens and thus face sanctions.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

I think he was being facetious.

Damn. My sarcasm detectors shorts out when DVB is posting

 

[Blue Pulse]

Because his contract was a Free Agency contract which determines compensation and such, contracts which arise out of Free Agency contracts must be included in the Salary Cap for the full length of the contract.

Definition of a "Free Agency Contract" or "FAC" - a manipulation of rules and clauses to suit the AFL and to screw over teams that go against the grain of the AFL hierarchy in a bid to apply advantage to the teams the AFL want to see climb the ladder to illusion equilibrium.

 

[DaVillaBlues]

We may have chosen to keep Sheehan on already but if Tuohy does leave, I'd hate to see Gus go.

I don't care that he's a rookie and that he's 25 years of age, because the guy can play. It's easy to forget but those at the club wouldn't have.

I'd let Sheehan go to be honest, list spots are a premium these days, even on the rookie list, and quite frankly he hasn't shown enough/produced the goods to justify retaining him.

 

[Broadside]

I'd let Sheehan go to be honest, list spots are a premium these days, even on the rookie list, and quite frankly he hasn't shown enough/produced the goods to justify retaining him.

so you're pretty optimistic there are 10-15 highly talented players we can bring into the club next year? that's a lot!

 

[HARKER]

I'd let Sheehan go to be honest, list spots are a premium these days, even on the rookie list, and quite frankly he hasn't shown enough/produced the goods to justify retaining him.

Sheehan would have to go onto the main list and that may be the bigger problem.

As I said, maybe we've forgotten or just didn't see how could this guy could be.

 

[LordLucifer]

so you're pretty optimistic there are 10-15 highly talented players we can bring into the club next year? that's a lot!

This is one of the things in the back of my mind. It may even provide some players with a one-year contract instead of being flung all together.

If 'the powers that be' have determined they are not part of the big picture, it's hard to imagine them bringing in replacements who are inferior to those they are replacing.

Everything hinges on how creative SOS can get with his trades and if he can unearth a quality discard or two from elsewhere that cost nothing.

 

[HARKER]

What we need to work on as a starting point, is that we'll likely go the the drafts with something similar to last year.

i.e. 5 (and possibly less if we don't have the premium picks) in the ND and 2 in the RD = 7 players............and not 10,12 or 15.

Just work back from there as it makes things easier to know where we're at.

 

[ferrisb]

Sheehan would have to go onto the main list and that may be the bigger problem.

As I said, maybe we've forgotten or just didn't see how could this guy could be.

If our list was super tight, Sheehan may not make it the cut.

But we have enough players that can/could be moved on before him that I don't think we will struggle to find him a list spot.

As others have said above, it's not easy filling 10-15 spots. And I'd rather have Gus on the main list than pick an extra 5th rounder or rookie pick.

 

[DangerousD]

Bear in mind, both of these guys look like they are in pain and not exactly enjoying it like they used to, that would be a massive frustration for them too.

I'm sure there has been many players who have gone on that one more year when they clearly were past it physically. It would be very difficult to say "no more" and kiss goodbye $500-600K.

The AFL came out and said in relation to Franklin at the Swans that even if he retires then the Swans have to include all the money in their cap. Is this a case of just making shit up due to sour grapes or will they make all clubs do this for all players? Im not sure how it's possible to have one set of rules for some but not others.

 

[Broadside]

Im not sure how it's possible to have one set of rules for some but not others.

normally I'd agree but this is the AFL we're talking about. Everything is arbitrary.

 

[Funk]

Who said anything about giving up 2 first round draft picks

The "experts" are saying it will cost 2 x first round or close to this to do a deal to get JOM.

 

[Funk]

Good point.

It'd be a shame to fling the guy when he hasn't had the opportunity to strut his stuff thus far due to injury.

Given he is already on the rookie list, the club may consider a second year on the understanding that they want him to give them everything he's got. If he doesn't cut it after that, neither party would be aggrieved about a separation.

I reckon it will all depend on what happens to players on the main list as to how the rookie listed players are dealt with (ie. larger main list, smaller rookie list etc)

I liked what I saw of Galucci.

Had some fire in him and really liked getting up the nose of the defenders.

Would love to see him get another year.

 

[Jimmae]

If our list was super tight, Sheehan may not make it the cut.

But we have enough players that can/could be moved on before him that I don't think we will struggle to find him a list spot.

As others have said above, it's not easy filling 10-15 spots. And I'd rather have Gus on the main list than pick an extra 5th rounder or rookie pick.

You'd want to be extremely convinced he's not going to succumb to another long-term soft tissue injury.

 

[DangerousD]

Some feedback please.

Byrne will be upgraded on to the senior list come draft time, what pick can we use on him? Can we use our 4th or 5th round selection?

 

[LanceRomance]

Some feedback please.

Byrne will be upgraded on to the senior list come draft time, what pick can we use on him? Can we use our 4th or 5th round selection?

yes