Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

[The_Reaper]

It doesn't have to be, but if my recollection is correct, she said the number of mathematics graduates was actually split fairly evenly between men and women, yet when it came to positions of power, it dramatically swung male.

How much of that is a function of age though?

The majority of people in positions of power now pretty much everywhere entered the system in the 60s, 70s and 80s.

 

[Malifice]

What about indigenous kids who aren't visibly indigenous?

It comes across in other ways.

Here in WA put the surname Yarran, Garlett, Pickett, Farmer or Ugle on your rental application and see how many owners approve your tenancy agreement. Now from that example extrapolate into similar situations.

 

[The_Reaper]

It comes across in other ways.

Here in WA put the surname Yarran, Garlett, Picket, Farmer or Ugle on your rental application and see how many owners approve your tenancy agreement. Now from that example extrapolate into similar situations.

Well I'd disagree with Farmer given it's not an uncommon name but point taken

But on the other hand what bout Michael, Johnson or Hill?

 

[Malifice]

Well I'd disagree with Farmer given it's not an uncommon name but point taken

But on the other hand what bout Michael, Johnson or Hill?

There a unique disadvantages faced by the overwhelming number of Aboriginal kids (and adults) out there (and kids yet to be born).

A little bit of a leg up to help overcome that is fine by me.

If the occasional wealthy inner city Aboriginal kid gets acces to ABSTUDY because of it I'm not really complaining because odds are he cops it in other ways in any event. Ive yet to see an actual example of this though. In the vastly overwhelming number of cases when you look at them individually, the money or assistance is needed in those cases.

There are other arguments (many with some levels of merit) in relation to whether this creates a system of welfare dependency and related issues, or as to the effectiveness of these measures, but we're probably straying off topic a bit.

If a very coherent argument can be made that a specific social group suffers from a disability or disadvantage (and that argument can be made for Aboriginal people unfortunately), especially when that disadvantage is in many ways beyond the individuals ability to really control, then I'm OK with that group getting a bit of a leg up to even the field a bit.

 

[Lakeside Swan]

Thats not an Islam thing other than a reflection of the Constitutional favoritism (enshrined racism) towards the Malay people.

Its the same in Korea. Those guys are the most racist (irony alert) nations on earth (North and South).

Just look at all of the Islamic nations. How many of them have democratic governments? The fundamental beliefs of Islam are in conflict with democracy.

 

[Malifice]

Just look at all of the Islamic nations. How many of them have democratic governments?

Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan (Military coup not withstanding). Off the top of my head.

Indonesia alone accounts for 250 million of the worlds Muslims. Turkey another 80 million. Pakistan another 180 million. 30 million more for Malaysia.

 

[Lakeside Swan]

Lets call a spade a spade here. Its not a job you either would want, be suited for or be qualified for.
Its like me applying for the position of leaflet co-ordinator for the local branch of Reclaim.

No I don't want the job but that's irrelevant. Just because I don't want doesn't mean that my middle class white neighbour shouldn't be allowed to apply for it. And the analogy of You working for Reclaim Australia is ridiculous. You hate Reclaim Australia people with a passion. I don't hate Muslims.

Of course they can, but the message is stronger when conveyed by a Muslim. Also, non Muslims dont have to put up with racist slurs getting hurled over the fence (and inside it) and UPF banners at the footy all the time.

Racist slurs and UPF banners. LOL. Yes, they happen "all the time", as in never. Racism on the field is extremely rare these days and UPF banners? WTF are you talking about?

 

[Lakeside Swan]

Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan (Military coup not withstanding). Off the top of my head.

Indonesia alone accounts for 250 million of the worlds Muslims. Turkey another 80 million. Pakistan another 180 million. 30 million more for Malaysia.

Turkey? Indonesia? Pakistan? You think they are democratic countries? Are you kidding me?

And what about the hundreds of countries that aren't?

 

[Power Raid]

Malaysian religious police are perfectly fine as long as you're not an ethnic Malay who doesn't want to be Muslim anymore.

Malaysia is becoming increasingly extremist. Almost certainly due to the Saudi influence

that's exactly what the locals were complaining about

 

[Malifice]

And what about the hundreds of countries that aren't?

There are 196 countries in the world. Total.

Have you left Australia? Honest question by the way. Have you?

My guess is on No.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Just look at all of the Islamic nations. How many of them have democratic governments? The fundamental beliefs of Islam are in conflict with democracy.

So what?....Since when has democracy been the only tried & true method of government?....Hardly grounds for criticism of another culture.

 

[Lakeside Swan]

There are 196 countries in the world. Total.

Have you left Australia? Honest question by the way. Have you?

My guess is on No.

Yes I have. And hundreds was an of the cuff comment. You need a sense of humour Malifice. I hope you didn't have spend too much time on Google.

Anyway. What about all the other Muslim countries? Nearly all of them are dictatorships and those that are technically a democracy, very few are democratic. That's my point and I'm correct.

 

[Lakeside Swan]

So what?....Since when has democracy been the only tried & true method of government?....Hardly grounds for criticism of another culture.

If our government was undemocratic you and Malfice would be the first ones jumping up and down about how unfair it was. Undemocratic governments stand for everything that you are allegedly against; racism, discrimination, no or poor welfare system, class discrimination, etc. You're only supporting it because you don't want to admit that Islam has significant cultural issues.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Yes I have. And hundreds was an of the cuff comment. You need a sense of humour Malifice. I hope you didn't have spend too much time on Google.

Anyway. What about all the other Muslim countries? Nearly all of them are dictatorships and those that are technically a democracy, very few are democratic. That's my point and I'm correct.

LOL....Maybe you should have spent a bit more time on your sentence structure!

If our government was undemocratic you and Malfice would be the first ones jumping up and down about how unfair it was. Undemocratic governments stand for everything that you are allegedly against; racism, discrimination, no or poor welfare system, class discrimination, etc. You're only supporting it because you don't want to admit that Islam has significant cultural issues.

And Australia doesn't have racism, class discrimination, sexism etc....What cave are you living in man?....No society is perfect.

Just because a country isn't democratic, is no grounds nor justification for invasion & mass destruction by another.

 

[awaremind]

Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan (Military coup not withstanding). Off the top of my head.

Indonesia alone accounts for 250 million of the worlds Muslims. Turkey another 80 million. Pakistan another 180 million. 30 million more for Malaysia.

None of those are really democratic though.
Also did you know and I'm confident you do, what happened in Indonesia when president Sukarno got too close to being a commie?

Islamists with the aid of the USA and the Suharto faction slaughtered around 500000 in a largely unknown genocide.

"In early October 1965, a military propaganda campaign began to sweep the country, successfully convincing both Indonesian and international audiences that it was a Communist coup, and that the murders were cowardly atrocities against Indonesian heroes since those who were shot were veteran military officers.[40] The PKI's denials of involvement had little effect.[41] Following the discovery and public burial of the generals' corpses on 5 October, the army along with Islamic organisations Muhammadiyah and Nahdlatul Ulama, led a campaign to purge Indonesian society, government and armed forces of the communist party and other leftist organisations. Leading PKI members were immediately arrested, some summarily executed. Aidit was captured and killed in November 1965.[40] The purge spread across the country with the worst massacres in Java and Bali.[41] In some areas the army organised civilian groups and local militias, in other areas communal vigilante action preceded the army.[42] The most widely accepted estimates are that at least half a million were killed.[43] It is thought that as many as 1.5 million were imprisoned at one stage or another.[44]"

From Wikipedia

 

[Lakeside Swan]

LOL....Maybe you should have spent a bit more time on your sentence structure!



And Australia doesn't have racism, class discrimination, sexism etc....What cave are you living in man?....No society is perfect.

Just because a country isn't democratic, is no grounds nor justification for invasion & mass destruction by another.

You can always tell when someone knows they've lost an argument when they play the man instead of the ball. I thought that recent events might have taught you not to do that? Oh, that's right, you have immunity.

Australia is a great country especially when compared to ANY Islamic country. Any discrimination here is minimal, especially in comparison. If things are so bad here maybe you'd be happier living in Saudi Arabia?

That's such a typical argument of LTDFs. Always complaining about their own country whilst wanting to introduce as many people as possible from the terrible countries so that we can become more and more like those other countries.

 

[CM86]

If our government was undemocratic you and Malfice would be the first ones jumping up and down about how unfair it was. Undemocratic governments stand for everything that you are allegedly against; racism, discrimination, no or poor welfare system, class discrimination, etc. You're only supporting it because you don't want to admit that Islam has significant cultural issues.

Of course they would be jumping up and down against Australia becoming undemocratic. In fact they have several times due to undemocratic things that Australia has done.

How does that support discrimination?

We don't need to become like Saudi Arabia, to protect us from the Muslims.

And the reason I think the religion of Islam is a s**tstain, but I don't think it's a cultural issue, is because I have Muslim friends, who are of course Islamic, and they don't support racism, discrimination, class discrimination etc.

Sure I met an idiot Muslim who would tell me how inferior women are, and insist when he got married his wife would never leave the house. But he was 17 and, as I said, an idiot.
I've met plenty of kids that age that have a similar view on women/aboriginals/asians etc. They are uneducated and disgusting kids, who hopefully grow out of it.
It doesn't mean that because I've known one Muslim that was a piece of shit, that I should ignore all the examples that my Muslim friends set.

 

[CM86]

That's such a typical argument of LTDFs. Always complaining about their own country whilst wanting to introduce as many people as possible from the terrible countries so that we can become more and more like those other countries.

I think Australia is an amazing country. But there is always room for improvement.

And I don't want to bring people from 'terrible' countries over here so we can become more like those other countries.
I wan't to save the lives of innocent people who were not lucky enough to be born here, and bring them here.

I'd rather we were saving more lives, than fearing and hating the innocent, and actually becoming more like 'those other countries'.

Countries were women are forced to wear religious articles of clothing.
Do we want to 'ban the burqa', and become a country that forces women to not be able to wear something they might choose to wear?

 

[DemonTim]

I like that Lakeside is complaining about "playing the man" while continually calling people LTDF (and refusing to explain what the insult stands for)

For someone who complains about preferential treatment and no bans, he sure is lucky.

 

[Lakeside Swan]

I like that Lakeside is complaining about "playing the man" while continually calling people LTDF (and refusing to explain what the insult stands for)

For someone who complains about preferential treatment and no bans, he sure is lucky.

As has been explained to you it stands for long time dear friend. How is that an insult?

 

[DemonTim]

As has been explained to you it stands for long time dear friend. How is that an insult?

Pretty clearly doesn't given the context you use it in.

Surely this is exactly what was being discussed (and you complained about) in the SRP improvement thread. You want to be able to insult, but don't want to be banned, you want to be able to insult, but not be insulted. It's hypocrisy at it's finest, and is not helping discussion.

 

[Lakeside Swan]

Pretty clearly doesn't given the context you use it in.

Surely this is exactly what was being discussed (and you complained about) in the SRP improvement thread. You want to be able to insult, but don't want to be banned, you want to be able to insult, but not be insulted. It's hypocrisy at it's finest, and is not helping discussion.

Would you prefer it if I called you a S.A.D.? Because that's okay apparently.

 

[CM86]

Would you prefer it if I called you a S.A.D.? Because that's okay apparently.

I think he is saying it would be better if you didn't use insults, or what appear to be insults, at all.

Rather than interchange.

 

[DemonTim]

Would you prefer it if I called you a S.A.D.? Because that's okay apparently.

Again, I didn't call you it, I said you were being one (see: your behaviour) because you went on the attack when you were corrected on something.

But see below in response to this:

I think he is saying it would be better if you didn't use insults, or what appear to be insults, at all.

Rather than interchange.

I frankly don't care about the insults (as in they don't impact me, they just prevent discussion), but he keeps posting about how unfair the mods are, and how everyone keeps insulting him, yet spends most posts insulting users/mods.

Apparently you and me are in the clique, yet both of us have been banned/thread banned recently. Their confirmation bias even extends to how they rate the admin.

 

[JackOutback]

Turkey? Indonesia? Pakistan? You think they are democratic countries? Are you kidding me?

And you think America is? Australia?

Different democracies, different problems.