Strategy Trade and List Management thread 2.(...the waiting for the hammer to fall edition)

[JTCWBFC]

With the ongoing unrest at the Lions, any players we should be targeting?

 

[cecil]

Th

Scott West?????

Didn't give him another year after he played about 4 games and couldn't get through his VFL return in his last year?
So many people say we made the wrong call on West but if he was any more cooked he would've been charcoal

 

[bobby2]

No in this case mate

The Suns president has put his reputation on the line and he won't back down.

If Jaeger says "trade me to the hawks or I'll walk to essendon", I reckon the Suns' president will reluctantly deal with the hawks late in the trade period.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

Especially when they think this;

We all have hopeless optimists on our boards.

I don't have an issue with us taking a little unders if it gets a guy who has been a long term part of our club to somewhere he would be happy finishing his career. I think that kind of thing is good for the spirit of the club/playing group.

There are two elements besides Cloke the player: his salary and the compo that comes back our way. I'd hope that if we're being helpful on one of those, we do a bit better on the other, e.g. if we're paying half his salary, the compo is a bit better or vice versa. Would be disappointed if we took a bath on both - if that were to be the case I prefer he finish his contract with us and stay a one club player.

Might not happen, maybe saving the bit of cap space is enough for us and you'll get him as a real bargain. We'll see.

Anyway, just wanted to offer an alternative view.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

We all have hopeless optimists on our boards.

I don't have an issue with us taking a little unders if it gets a guy who has been a long term part of our club to somewhere he would be happy finishing his career. I think that kind of thing is good for the spirit of the club/playing group.

There are two elements besides Cloke the player: his salary and the compo that comes back our way. I'd hope that if we're being helpful on one of those, we do a bit better on the other, e.g. if we're paying half his salary, the compo is a bit better or vice versa. Would be disappointed if we took a bath on both - if that were to be the case I prefer he finish his contract with us and stay a one club player.

Might not happen, maybe saving the bit of cap space is enough for us and you'll get him as a real bargain. We'll see.

Anyway, just wanted to offer an alternative view.

So just say you pay half his contract, what would you be expecting in a trade?

 

[DAWESOME!!]

So just say you pay half his contract, what would you be expecting in a trade?

It would depend where you finish and hence what picks you have. If we do want Jong, that might be a big part of it. If not, maybe a late second?

Edit: but I'm not really sure. He's a hard player to value.

 

[TMoney22]

Okay, so if we get Cloke, what is everyone's expectation for next year?

How would we structure up?

I can see Cloke being a permanent forward, Boyd sharing ruck duties with one of Roughead / Campbell / Whoever we Bring in.

Thoughts?

Starts at 40m out and runs up the wings. He has a massive tank so he just needs to provide a constant option. Don't go any closer to the goals. If he can link up at the wing he can launch bombs over the opposition defence.
We shouldn't judge him on goals but inside 50s and contested marks up the ground.

 

[bobby2]

maybe a late second?

I really doubt this is going to happen mate, unless you pay all 400k. From all reports, you guys don't want him, and just want to clear some cap space. Our 3rd or 4th seems realistic.

 

[BRWB]

It would be ironic if in recruiting Cloke we helped the Pies recruit Reiwoldt.

 

[JTCWBFC]

Did anyone watch the Hawks v Pies game? How did Cloke play?

 

[giblj]

Did anyone watch the Hawks v Pies game? How did Cloke play?

Played pretty well I thought, was positioned fairly deep mostly. Looked really dangerous in marking contest and took four contested marks (eight in total). Had his usual wobbles from set shots close in but was much more confident from mid range and further, kicked 2 goals 2 in the end.

 

[go you pups]

Essendon targetting Brown and MacKenzie from WCE - HS

They have a gazillion tall defenders

Why do they need more?

 

[JTCWBFC]

Tigers Board is getting seriously creative this year:

GC: Cotchin & B.Ellis
Freo: Pick 6, Pick 10 & Richmonds 2017 1st pick
Rich: O'Meara, Prestia, Fyfe, Pick 38, Fremantles 2017 3rd pick.

 

[paul scholes]

Buckle up folks going to get some drivel trade scenarios thrown around .
Can see positives and negatives with Travis to be honest .

 

[fronkalicious]

Only negative of us shooting for Cloke is that Riewoldt mustn't be an option.

With Crameri and Cloke, at least our forward line would have constant movement and in turn, more space.

Can only help Boyd and stringer.

 

[fronkalicious]

We should be checking in on Daniel wells also. Just in case.

 

[SlimShaddy]

it would be great to have a forward line with natural forwards for once.

 

[JTCWBFC]

Crameri Cloke McLean
Stringer Boyd Dickson

On paper looks a lot better than what we fielded on the weekend.

 

[.M a t t.]

Starts at 40m out and runs up the wings. He has a massive tank so he just needs to provide a constant option. Don't go any closer to the goals. If he can link up at the wing he can launch bombs over the opposition defence.
We shouldn't judge him on goals but inside 50s and contested marks up the ground.

Cloke in a N Riewoldt like role would work. Has a huge tank and can take a good grab. Work his opponents into the ground

 

[Pannalstaroz]

"Digitally altered image" should be "Poorly Digitally altered image"

 

[fronkalicious]

Why the hell would Richmond and norf even be chasing him?? These clubs just have no idea where they're at.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Why the hell would Richmond and norf even be chasing him?? These clubs just have no idea where they're at.

Compulsive shoppers

 

[bresker]

Is Cloke an upgrade on Redpath?

Is Cloke an upgrade on a non-playing, injured Redpath who may not play in 2017 or thereafter?

That's the way we've got to look at it, we got nothing. Nothing. Cloke is an upgrade on nothing.

 

[King Harold]

Why the hell would Richmond and norf even be chasing him?? These clubs just have no idea where they're at.

Because that's what Richmond do & North want to eventually become a Lawn Bowls club. Makes perfect sense !

 

[BRWB]

Is Cloke an upgrade on Redpath?

Is Cloke an upgrade on a non-playing, injured Redpath who may not play in 2017 or thereafter?

That's the way we've got to look at it, we got nothing. Nothing. Cloke is an upgrade on nothing.

Hardly a ringing endorsement but spot on.

Tiges may be looking at Cloke as KP cover for Vickery and/or in case they get a dream offer for Griffiths or Reiwoldt.

Can't understand Norf being interested.

Wells and Cloke would shape as higher risk versions of what Norf did with Waite and Dal Santo. Difference for us is we'd still have a great young list if they retire/don't work out.

So possibly worth the risk at cheap rates and if nothing better.

But IMO I don't think either win us a flag and would be against getting them. But can also understand why we would.