Past #43: Sam Gibson - #63 '12 RD - 130 consec. NM games (club record) - NM --> ADL for pk91 '17 ND

[big_e]

Sorry you are right, I was more thinking about selecting a team with less chance of winning, you still try your guts out.

Suxb moves would be playing Mountford over Gibson, Hibberd over Gibson, Vickers-Willis instead of a Wright or an Atley. Dumont instead of Swallow. Durdin/McKay instead of Petrie etc

We might get worse, we might improve... I obviously prefer the latter, however I'm happy to go through 2 years of absolute pain to stockpile what we need for the next 7-10 years.

I'm unsure of your own definition of aggressive reset, but to me that is what it entails.

You're talking about a multiple goal scenario. Yes, we absolutely pick a side to win each win but it's balanced with an eye to the future. It's what BS meant when he spoke about playing the Farewell Four if 2017 was the last year on earth - that would be going all out with no eye to the future, and it's what we are stepping away from. Which is a good plan.

To me, aggressive reset, rebuild, refresh, are all meaningless terms. Every side does the same thing every year - you decide what you want to achieve in the short and long term and you work towards that. My personal view is that we need some experienced heads around and to inject a few young players at the start, then give priority to younger players whenever a vacancy appears in the firsts. Banish the phrase "not ready" from the lexicon, give them a go and see what happens.

Gibson is an absolute must in the side for mine for the first half of 2017, but his spot is up for grabs beyond that. He is grossly undervalued by many in this forum, but if someone younger can take his place, then brilliant.

 

[adrenalinjunkie]

Sorry you are right, I was more thinking about selecting a team with less chance of winning, you still try your guts out.

Suxb moves would be playing Mountford over Gibson, Hibberd over Gibson, Vickers-Willis instead of a Wright or an Atley. Dumont instead of Swallow. Durdin/McKay instead of Petrie etc

We might get worse, we might improve... I obviously prefer the latter, however I'm happy to go through 2 years of absolute pain to stockpile what we need for the next 7-10 years.

I'm unsure of your own definition of aggressive reset, but to me that is what it entails.

I appreciate this might put me in the category of those who are "beyond help" but so be it.

Whether it's 'aiming to finish last' or the lesser version 'selecting a team with less chance of winning' - why??

Would it be purely to maximize draft picks for 12 months+ time, or is there some other more subtle reason (or even an obvious reason) that I'm missing?

PLUS, if that is to be the plan, wouldn't it follow that you therefore PLAY Gibson, rather than leave him out/delist him, because with Gibson in the team, we have less chance of winning, so the argument goes?

Those with an anti-Gibson view of the world do concede he 'tries his guts out' (I think), but maintain he's just a crap player. Hence if you want to decrease our chance of winning games, you have to play him, surely?




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[Flawed Genius]

Honestly would rather just take whoever wins the beep test at draft camp then keep Gibson for another year.

A younger fitter player who can't be any worse a kick then keeping this 30+ year old limited footballer

What an extraordinary post. You know already that I think you're wrong and that this is awful - just awful - and that your account is nearing parody status, but this is just staggering in its simplicity and ability to miss the point.

 

[Flawed Genius]

Here's a list of every beep test winner since 1999:

David Spriggs
Mark Berts
Justin Davies
Jarrad McVeigh
Farren Ray
Nathan Van Berlo
Tom Rischbieth
Simon Hogan/Tim Houlihan/Shane Edwards
Cale Morton
Chris Hall
Brayden Norris
Hayden Hector
Tom Clurey
Brad Hill
Billy Hartung
Caleb Daniel/Jack Hiscox
Josh Schoenfeld

There is one - maybe two - players in that entire list I'd take over Gibbo.

 

[RHLK]

The Tank vs The Torch. Quite the polarising figure, our man Gibbo.
Still baffled by his kicking action, though. Yes, an impoverished street waif learning to kick with a hornets' nest might begin with bad habits, but after 5 years of access to real leather footballs and specialist full-time coaches at Arden Street you'd think his ball drop might have inched a little closer to his boot? (Hmmm, not sure the hornet nest story is true, otherwise why is he so slow to dispose of the ball?....doesn't want his captain to feel lonely maybe?)
A little concerning, this lack of technical improvement.
Still, wish we had more blokes who can run all day like Gibbo. Cliff Young for a late draft pick?

 

[The Nostradamus]

What an extraordinary post. You know already that I think you're wrong and that this is awful - just awful - and that your account is nearing parody status, but this is just staggering in its simplicity and ability to miss the point.

got to keep it simple for the simpletons like yourself

 

[Passmore]

Here's a list of every beep test winner since 1999:

David Spriggs
Mark Berts
Justin Davies
Jarrad McVeigh
Farren Ray
Nathan Van Berlo
Tom Rischbieth
Simon Hogan/Tim Houlihan/Shane Edwards
Cale Morton
Chris Hall
Brayden Norris
Hayden Hector
Tom Clurey
Brad Hill
Billy Hartung
Caleb Daniel/Jack Hiscox
Josh Schoenfeld

There is one - maybe two - players in that entire list I'd take over Gibbo.

 

[shintemaster]

You're talking about a multiple goal scenario. Yes, we absolutely pick a side to win each win but it's balanced with an eye to the future. It's what BS meant when he spoke about playing the Farewell Four if 2017 was the last year on earth - that would be going all out with no eye to the future, and it's what we are stepping away from. Which is a good plan.

To me, aggressive reset, rebuild, refresh, are all meaningless terms. Every side does the same thing every year - you decide what you want to achieve in the short and long term and you work towards that. My personal view is that we need some experienced heads around and to inject a few young players at the start, then give priority to younger players whenever a vacancy appears in the firsts. Banish the phrase "not ready" from the lexicon, give them a go and see what happens.

Gibson is an absolute must in the side for mine for the first half of 2017, but his spot is up for grabs beyond that. He is grossly undervalued by many in this forum, but if someone younger can take his place, then brilliant.

Agree. If Gibson is in the last 2-3 picked by half way mark of 2017 then things will have gone very well for us. Suspect he would be an invisible man but very useful in a stronger midfield.

 

[Boomerfan99]

His football ability gets questioned a lot on here, but geez his mrs is hot.

 

[ArjenTheGreat]

Here's a list of every beep test winner since 1999:

David Spriggs
Mark Berts
Justin Davies
Jarrad McVeigh
Farren Ray
Nathan Van Berlo
Tom Rischbieth
Simon Hogan/Tim Houlihan/Shane Edwards
Cale Morton
Chris Hall
Brayden Norris
Hayden Hector
Tom Clurey
Brad Hill
Billy Hartung
Caleb Daniel/Jack Hiscox
Josh Schoenfeld

There is one - maybe two - players in that entire list I'd take over Gibbo.

Hanibal Hector never kicked on... Possibly bit off more than he could chew in terms of an AFL career?

 

[tazaa]

ArjenTheGreat gets a 1 year extension
Congrats

 

[The Other Dean]

 

[King Corey]

Here's a list of every beep test winner since 1999:

David Spriggs
Mark Berts
Justin Davies
Jarrad McVeigh
Farren Ray
Nathan Van Berlo
Tom Rischbieth
Simon Hogan/Tim Houlihan/Shane Edwards
Cale Morton
Chris Hall
Brayden Norris
Hayden Hector
Tom Clurey
Brad Hill
Billy Hartung
Caleb Daniel/Jack Hiscox
Josh Schoenfeld

There is one - maybe two - players in that entire list I'd take over Gibbo.

I'd consider any of McVeigh, Van Berlo, Hill and Daniel ahead of him. That's no slur on Gibson.

 

[The Nostradamus]

a 31 year old list clogger, genius by us

he better be playing vfl for most of the year

 

[The Other Dean]

a 31 year old list clogger, genius by us

he better be playing vfl for most of the year

 

[king rising]

Should not have been given a contract extension- end of story

 

[The Nostradamus]

Should not have been given a contract extension- end of story

yep the fact that he is still playing and boomer isn't is a joke

id rather give boomer 2 years than have Gibson on the list

 

[King Corey]

yep the fact that he is still playing and boomer isn't is a joke

id rather give boomer 2 years than have Gibson on the list

Agree with the Boomer vs Sophie's Gibson choice

 

[ChopChopDigDig]

Some real knobs on BF post season.

Comparing Gibbo to Boomer?! Just shows how biased towards him you are.

Congrats Sam. You're our only midfielder who has a tank and well deserve the 1 year extension.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Some real knobs on BF post season.

Comparing Gibbo to Boomer?! Just shows how biased towards him you are.

Congrats Sam. You're our only midfielder who has a tank and well deserve the 1 year extension.

it actually surprises me that anyone including our list management would give a contract to Gibson over boomer. They're stupidity never ceases to amaze

If boomer goes so should Gibson, in fact regardless a 30+year old Gibson should not be on an afl list

 

[dus]

Good clubman. Sets the example on the track.

With the changing of the guard, if he keeps butchering it, expect some time in the VFL.

 

[Twinkletoes]

Congrats to Gibbo. Now it's up to the younger brigade to lift and supercede him before his time is done.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Yeah he butchers the ball a bit but he also works harder to create space than almost anyone else in the team by running hard.
I don't see many other guys working as hard as he does every week.
Worth another year but he may well get overtaken by some of the young guys by the end of the year.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Arjen suspended after Gibson gets a new contract, lovely.

 

[dus]

So I spoke to Arj. He wanted me to pass this on. I'd suggest putting your cups of tea down.

"Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone,
Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone,
Silence the pianos and with muffled drum
Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come.

Let aeroplanes circle moaning overhead
Scribbling on the sky the message He Is Dead,
Put crepe bows round the white necks of the public doves,
Let the traffic policemen wear black cotton gloves.

He was my North, my South, my East and West,
My working week and my Sunday rest,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
I thought that love would last for ever: I was wrong.

The stars are not wanted now: put out every one;
Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood.
For nothing now can ever come to any good".


#ArjenTheGreat