Traded Tom Mitchell [traded to Hawthorn with pick 57 for pick 14 & 52]

[TallyHawk]

Johnson is on minimum wage and we couldn't risk another club grabbing him prior to our pick in the rookie draft. Rohan had a good season and is a required player.

It highlights Sydney's lack of intent to sign Tom. Alex might be a top guy and all but clubs are not lining up to select a guy who has done his knee 5 times, take Morabito as an example

 

[PP34]

You seem to hold a fair bit of passive aggression towards Hawthorn and its culture. How would you be managing Hawthorn differently to ensure a competitive Hawthorn and strong cultured Hawthorn?

What are you talking about?

Some Hawks fan is crapping on about culture, while ignoring that the draft is the very reason the Hawks have a great team culture in place. It's going to be very hard for the Hawks to remain afloat without those stalwarts being at the forefront of things. You can't replace them by topping up and trying to hang onto your spot on the ladder.

It really isn't a difficult concept to understand. Every great team has its time, and then they fade away. It's almost impossible to remain in the 8, unless you're getting concessions.

 

[bungwahl]

It highlights Sydney's lack of intent to sign Tom. Alex might be a top guy and all but clubs are not lining up to select a guy who has done his knee 5 times, take Morabito as an example

Nah if anything it shows intent to keep Tom. Keeping a KPD list spot filled at minimum wage. If they lost him it'd cost more to bring in KPD coverage.

Has only done his knee twice but suffered infections that required redoing the reconstruction.

 

[Since 2001]

1% of the cap over 5 years, not that mush really

personally its a lot

 

[amos]

What are you talking about?

Some Hawks fan is crapping on about culture, while ignoring that the draft is the very reason the Hawks have a great team culture in place. It's going to be very hard for the Hawks to remain afloat without those stalwarts being at the forefront of things. You can't replace them by topping up and trying to hang onto your spot on the ladder.

It really isn't a difficult concept to understand. Every great team has its time, and then they fade away. It's almost impossible to remain in the 8, unless you're getting concessions.

Of course, and what are you talking about? About four posters, including and excluding Hawthorn posters, admitted straight after your dribble that Hodge, Mitchell and Burgoyne are irreplaceable. They're future HOF inductees. Hawthorn are simply trying to stay relevant, just like other strong cultured clubs like Sydney and Geelong do regularly by keeping their list competitive. I'm glad Hawthorn's chasing players, would you rather they sat on their hands?

 

[MC_9]

So Tom Mitchell......

 

[replicant]

So Tom Mitchell......

Stop derailing the thread.

 

[amos]

I reckon he'll stay. Sydney will find a bit more coin and if the $ difference closes in to around 75k, he'll sign on.

 

[DannyJ]

You were at the bottom of the ladder for a while, rebuilding like every club has to at some point.

Quit acting like only poorly run teams rebuild.

You're deluded if you think you can remain where you are now with the likes of Hodge, Burgoyne, Mitchell, Lewis and Gibson coming to the end of their careers pretty soon. I'd compare your situation a lot to Geelong's in 2012/13 where they began looking like a shadow of the premiership teams and the veterans started giving it away/getting worse each year. The only thing saving Geelong has been Selwood and now Dangerfield, with those two pretty much being able to carry a team around them that is pretty average. Plenty of people were speaking highly of all these Geelong kids when they were surrounded by Ablett, Bartel, Kelly, Scarlett, Corey, Chapman etc, but many of them have been found out to be pretty average footballers since then.

Hawthorn don't have a Selwood type that can carry the midfield with the veterans gone or not being what they once were, and it's unlikely there's going to be another Dangerfield out there on the market either. It was pretty obvious to me at least in the semi a few weeks back how Hawthorn is going to fare without the likes of Hodge etc. They were screaming out for some young blokes to step up, and there was hardly anyone who did so.

Yes, O'Meara is probably going to come, but he hasn't played footy in ages and the reports about his knee don't make for great reading. Mitchell nominating the Hawks would surprise me to be honest.

Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis picks were acquired via trade.

Gibson and Burgoyne via trade.

Just like Jaeger and Titch will be. And like how we acquired Burtons pick in a trade.

Now we won't 3 peat, but we have the right people in charge to continue the sustained success we planned back in 2004.

Clarko is the real messiah

 

[PP34]

Of course, and what are you talking about? About four posters, including and excluding Hawthorn posters, admitted straight after your dribble that Hodge, Mitchell and Burgoyne are irreplaceable. They're future HOF inductees. Hawthorn are simply trying to stay relevant, just like other strong cultured clubs like Sydney and Geelong do regularly by keeping their list competitive. I'm glad Hawthorn's chasing players, would you rather they sat on their hands?

I'm not bagging them for trying to stay relevant. My original point was that I don't see Hawthorn as that attractive of a destination in the future for a guy like Mitchell like Hawks fans seem to think.

He could go elsewhere, receive better coin, likely have a bigger role from day one and perhaps be a part of a resurgence for a club.

 

[Tedeski]

I reckon he'll stay. Sydney will find a bit more coin and if the $ difference closes in to around 75k, he'll sign on.

Which is actually 40K or so after tax!
Sign here Tommy!
Thank you very much!

 

[halfback dasher]

I'm not bagging them for trying to stay relevant. My original point was that I don't see Hawthorn as that attractive of a destination in the future for a guy like Mitchell like Hawks fans seem to think.

He could go elsewhere, receive better coin, likely have a bigger role from day one and perhaps be a part of a resurgence for a club.

I guess we Hawks fans get crappie when someone like you who knows nothing about our list wants to tell us we are on the way out ....just a hunch .

 

[Membling]

I guess we Hawks fans get crappie when someone like you who knows nothing about our list wants to tell us we are on the way out ....just a hunch .

The irony.

Oh the irony.

 

[m0zza]

Please explain to me how you got the likes of Buddy, Roughead, Lewis, Hodge etc? It certainly wasn't by remaining on top of the ladder.

Traded Trent Croad and Luke McPharlin to Fremantle for 1,20 and 36 in 2001 after losing a preliminary final to Essendon. Drafted Hodge, Elstone and Mitchell.

Won four games in 2004 ("we are going to win the premiership.") and finished 15th
Two wins came in the last four rounds against the teams that finished 14th and 16th
Drafted Roughead at 2 (Priority pick) Franklin at 5 (First Round)
Traded Nathan Thomson to North for 10 and 26, traded 10 and 37 to Collingwood for 7 and Bo Nixon
Drafted Lewis at 7.

 

[Furn2]

Surely there no way 75k a year swings this one way or the other.

I don't get out of bed for that!!!

Seriously though, if its just money there's got to be a bigger difference.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I'm not bagging them for trying to stay relevant. My original point was that I don't see Hawthorn as that attractive of a destination in the future for a guy like Mitchell like Hawks fans seem to think.

He could go elsewhere, receive better coin, likely have a bigger role from day one and perhaps be a part of a resurgence for a club.

Players will continue to want to join Hawthorn for a few reasons.

1. The best coach in the comp.
2. The $30 million state of the art training centre being planned.
3. The strike rate of success over the last 60 years.

 

[mookieb]

Yes, O'Meara is probably going to come, but he hasn't played footy in ages and the reports about his knee don't make for great reading. Mitchell nominating the Hawks would surprise me to be honest.

Don't you just love it when BF posters have more medical knowledge than Hawthorn's medical staff?

 

[Since 2001]

Players will continue to want to join Hawthorn for a few reasons.

1. The best coach in the comp.
2. The $30 million state of the art training centre being planned.
3. The strike rate of success over the last 60 years.

4. Good Doctors.
5. Russell best in the business.
6. Playing players where they play best. e.g.: if mitchell comes he is at more stoppages and centre bounces
7. Still have a good core considering the amount of players blooded this year.
8. We have win or nothing mentality. not afraid to take risks for a premiership and bring needed players in.
list goes on.

 

[Since 2001]

You're deluded if you think you can remain where you are now with the likes of Hodge, Burgoyne, Mitchell, Lewis and Gibson coming to the end of their careers pretty soon. I'd compare your situation a lot to Geelong's in 2012/13 where they began looking like a shadow of the premiership teams and the veterans started giving it away/getting worse each year. The only thing saving Geelong has been Selwood and now Dangerfield, with those two pretty much being able to carry a team around them that is pretty average. Plenty of people were speaking highly of all these Geelong kids when they were surrounded by Ablett, Bartel, Kelly, Scarlett, Corey, Chapman etc, but many of them have been found out to be pretty average footballers since then.

Hawthorn don't have a Selwood type that can carry the midfield with the veterans gone or not being what they once were, and it's unlikely there's going to be another Dangerfield out there on the market either. It was pretty obvious to me at least in the semi a few weeks back how Hawthorn is going to fare without the likes of Hodge etc. They were screaming out for some young blokes to step up, and there was hardly anyone who did so.

Yes, O'Meara is probably going to come, but he hasn't played footy in ages and the reports about his knee don't make for great reading. Mitchell nominating the Hawks would surprise me to be honest.

I believe we can remain top 6 if we bring in the guys linked to us. Mitchell, O'Meara and Vickery. We would've been pretty good if rough was still playing, don't forget that we just lost the best bigman in the league for who knows how long, may never come back. He can play fwd, back, middle and ruck huge to our structure and still kicks 40 goals.

Yes we don't have a selwood or Dangerfield. But what we do have is a team of 22, not 2. The finals experience will be huge for the kids that played and hopefully they never want to have that feeling again. we will be fine. O'Meara seems like he could come in around round 18 like burton has and make an impact, anyway, O'Meara is more give him as taste of footy late in 2017 and be ready for 2018. We have the talent there, watch more get games next season and then bring it on.

 

[MelbCat]

4. Good Doctors.
5. Russell best in the business.
6. Playing players where they play best. e.g.: if mitchell comes he is at more stoppages and centre bounces
7. Still have a good core considering the amount of players blooded this year.
8. We have win or nothing mentality. not afraid to take risks for a premiership and bring needed players in.
list goes on.

9: A club thats about to lose Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Gibson, Burgoyne, Roughead (sadly)
REBUILD TIME ............

 

[Since 2001]

9: A club thats about to lose Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Gibson, Burgoyne, Roughead (sadly)
REBUILD TIME ............

Nah......Hodge, Gibbo and Burgers next year. Sammy keeps going and roughy until his contract is up which hawks have already said they will honour which is until the end of 2018.
We already started this year......which people seem to forget. Next year will see more get games and still be in the top 8 and this year proves you can win from anywhere

 

[swanton]

Surely there no way 75k a year swings this one way or the other.

I don't get out of bed for that!!!

Seriously though, if its just money there's got to be a bigger difference.

Wow you have changed ur tune from the last couple weeks. It's always been known that the difference in hawks and swans offer was about 100k

 

[Furn2]

Lucky for us

Wow you have changed ur tune from the last couple weeks. It's always been known that the difference in hawks and swans offer was about 100k

Which is why I doubt money is the deciding factor.

 

[JG22]

Which is why I doubt money is the deciding factor.

What is then? its clearly money for mine. Sydney TPP situation is money related.
Sydney can probably only afford 450, Hawks 600

 

[LukeParkerno1]

What is then? its clearly money for mine. Sydney TPP situation is money related.
Sydney can probably only afford 450, Hawks 600

Hawks won't offer 600, there is no chance they can afford JOM as well at that rate. Probably in the 500 range, with Sydney being in the 440k range. There will still be a gap, around $80-120,000, and it is up to Tom whether he wants the money or to stay with Sydney.