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Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread - The sequel - I know what SOS did last Sumner
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Yep and how sick are you of going to a cafe and you get a bottle of water in an old beer bottle put on your table!
Of course not, especially to an extinct dog-cat-like animal like yourself...
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So, because we "think" we may get Fyfe next year, it's ok to let Gibbs go for unders? LOL!
1- Pick #5 in a midfielder's draft will very likely be a gun mid.
2 - Marchbank can come to us with our 2017 2nd rounder, we don't need to waste pick #5
3 - Pickett was #4 so that's better than this year's #5? LOL. Lisfranc injury is career threatening. Not only that, but is he going to be a gun mid for us? Pickett is the type of player you add when you've established the side already. We are FAR from that.
4 - With Stewart, what about when the other forwards were injured? What about when he had his chance, what did he really show?
5 - What a surprise! Another fringe player!
The only deal that doesn't bother me.
What perspective did you think we were looking from? Pick #5 is the long term prospect, not a bunch of GWS journeymen and a guy that has been injured for the majority of the past 4 years of his life.
Gibbs is contracted, unless we can trade him for a top 10 pick or pick #13 and a very good young player, we keep him.
Out of all of the ex-GWS crew on our list so far, Plowman is the only one to have shown something. The rest, all sub-par. No wonder GWS got rid of them, I wonder why they're so happy to let another 4 go just for "one man"...
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Hello, apologies for the intrusion.
Just wanted to comment on the rumoured Gibbs deal. In all seriousness, I think it would be a win / win for both clubs.
It has been mentioned by a couple of Carlton posters that Gibbs will be 31 by the time you guys are challenging for finals, and this is pretty inescapable.
Lyons will be just hitting his prime at that stage, and is certainly going to be a more valuable addition to your club than either of Kerridge / Wright, who both did really well for you guys in 2016.
The best aspect of Lyons game is his elite hands at stoppages. His ability to fire out quick and ACCURATE handballs is quite simply the best at our club at the present time, and we'all miss that. He makes very smart decisions with ball in hand and is one of the best exponents of a 30m kick to a leading forward at our club too. He's also a guy who can genuinely average a goal a game as he is very smart when floating forward. He's an excellent tackler too and took this to a new level in 2015.
The reason his value is limited to a pick around 20-28 is probably his speed (he isn't "slow", but he's probably about Matty Wright pace), combined with the lack of penetration on his kicks. I wouldn't say he's too good on the left peg either, but this is rarely an issue because he'll handball out of trouble at will.
Personally I think we might end up sweetening the deal a little considering Gibbs is contracted and Lyons is not, so maybe we throw in Ellis-Yolmen on top of Lyons and Pick 13, with Gibbs and 24 coming our way.
I understand that there's probably going to be a majority of Carlton fans who still aren't keen on that trade, but it's about the bigger picture I guess. Which side of the trade will improve your premiership hopes? I hope you don't find it disrespectful for me to say that I don't think Gibbs can win a flag at Carlton, but that's how I see it. If these rumours are proven correct, that's obviously the stance SOS has taken too.
Just wanted to comment on the rumoured Gibbs deal. In all seriousness, I think it would be a win / win for both clubs.
It has been mentioned by a couple of Carlton posters that Gibbs will be 31 by the time you guys are challenging for finals, and this is pretty inescapable.
Lyons will be just hitting his prime at that stage, and is certainly going to be a more valuable addition to your club than either of Kerridge / Wright, who both did really well for you guys in 2016.
The best aspect of Lyons game is his elite hands at stoppages. His ability to fire out quick and ACCURATE handballs is quite simply the best at our club at the present time, and we'all miss that. He makes very smart decisions with ball in hand and is one of the best exponents of a 30m kick to a leading forward at our club too. He's also a guy who can genuinely average a goal a game as he is very smart when floating forward. He's an excellent tackler too and took this to a new level in 2015.
The reason his value is limited to a pick around 20-28 is probably his speed (he isn't "slow", but he's probably about Matty Wright pace), combined with the lack of penetration on his kicks. I wouldn't say he's too good on the left peg either, but this is rarely an issue because he'll handball out of trouble at will.
Personally I think we might end up sweetening the deal a little considering Gibbs is contracted and Lyons is not, so maybe we throw in Ellis-Yolmen on top of Lyons and Pick 13, with Gibbs and 24 coming our way.
I understand that there's probably going to be a majority of Carlton fans who still aren't keen on that trade, but it's about the bigger picture I guess. Which side of the trade will improve your premiership hopes? I hope you don't find it disrespectful for me to say that I don't think Gibbs can win a flag at Carlton, but that's how I see it. If these rumours are proven correct, that's obviously the stance SOS has taken too.
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I really like this post. I dont entirely agree on the last point as I feel Phillips, Sumner, Plowman have a big future and it was a great trade for the pick we gave (2nd round) but everything else...spot on!
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I'm not going to comment on Gibbs trade anymore because I don't believe it will happen no matter how much Adelaide want it but if Adelaide don't produce a top 5 pick for Gibbs, the they can GAGF. Gibbs is class and with more help will even get better, no matter how old he gets. Also durable, very, very durable!
You raise a lot of good points BF and I pretty much agree.
Playing devils advocate though, if SOS has identified a player in the draft that he believes won't go before a certain pick and can trade us back into the draft with a high enough pick to select him, he might see #5 a expendable.
This is all based on the theory that he may feel say anyone from picks 5 - 15 can go in any order.
Otherwise, it is a very high risk strategy to get the 4-5 boys in from GWS, but also has high reward if Marchbank is our fullback for 10 years and the others come on as well.
In reality, there is too much of the unknown in this trade to be certain one way or another. We are all along for this ride...
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That type of deal will kill us.
11 pick upgrade and 2 guys you're looking to offload anyway for a player of Gibbs' calibre?
If Lyons is so good why not offer him a better contract and keep him along with your pick #13?
All a load of shit. Lyons is not going to be anything special and an 11 pick upgrade is not worth trading a contracted player with Gibbs' ability.
Lyons won't be improving our premiership hopes mate. Not even by 0.00001%
FWIW, I don't think Gibbs will win a flag at Carlton either, but if we're going to let him go for shitty deals like that we're better off keeping him.
Agree totally with Surrey Blue, very simple concept , if one wants quality then one must pay a premium.
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I don't have a problem with the trade for them #28 for the 4 of them was a fantastic deal. But for me, Sumner goes missing too often and for too long. Maybe a full pre-season will see him gain more consistency but he still needs to prove it.
As for Philips, he's 26 and Kreuzer is better than him in nearly every significant department. Philips is the type of player we can hang onto for now until we can find something better in a couple of years.
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Fair enough. Would you be more keen on the deal if Lyons and Pick 24 were removed from the equation entirely?
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You make some valid points and points that a few here probably with. Gibbs has been quite resiliant and without any serious injury could play till he is 33-34 so could still be a valuable contributor over a period of time when we are
"in the zone".
My thoughts personally are if Gibba wants to go for personal reasons then we won't stop him but would be just as happy to keep him.
I had a chat with Dodoro at last year's draft. Using his strategy, we're keeping #24. We'll take #13 and one of Sloane, or Talia.
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Lyons is expendable to us because we have too many similar types. If I were Carlton I'd be gong after Ellis yolmen. In my opinion should've played every game this year in front of Scott thompson. Partner him up with Cripps on the inside
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With respect, I could have played in front of Scott Thompson.
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I don't mind that TBH as it is using something in a way that is very close to its original purpose.
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I'll jump in & say pick 13 for Gibbs stinks, but yes it's better than getting shafted twice and giving up pick 24 for Lyons as well.
If Gibbs ends up asking to leave we may have to cop pick 13, but I'd hope we ask for a lot more than that
Is it just me or does it appear every year so much of the initial leg work on possible deals is done before trade week even starts? If you believe the rumour the GWS5/5 deal and the Horvat deal are just about already done and trade week hasn't even officially started lol
Personally I disagree with the argument that Gibbs won't win a premiership with us anyway.
He's very durable and has at least 5 more years in him...likely 6 or 7.
Dogs have shown how quickly things can change.
We need a few more good off seasons to get our list right but I think it's not ridiculous to suggest we could be pushing top 4 in 2019.
A few more years learning Boltons gameplan, adding some talented kids, rumour to be going hard for a gun free agent next year etc.
Gibbs has an important role to play as our midfield is very shallow. He dominated some games this year and would have done it more often if he had better midfield support.
Lyons is only a good player, nothing more. And history shows picks around 13 have a rather high % of being a busy or only an ok player.
Anyway, we're hoping to get a pick in the mid teens to early 20's for Tuohy.
Some of the scenarios being proposed by visiting posters put Gibbs value at somewhere near that.
Why would we do that ? Lyons may be handy but he's obviously a low B grader otherwise you'd keep him and pick 13.
With all due respect Adelaidians, come back next year with a decent proposal when you finish 5th-8th and get knocked out early in the finals again.
Some of the scenarios being proposed by visiting posters put Gibbs value at somewhere near that.
Why would we do that ? Lyons may be handy but he's obviously a low B grader otherwise you'd keep him and pick 13.
With all due respect Adelaidians, come back next year with a decent proposal when you finish 5th-8th and get knocked out early in the finals again.
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