Analysis 2016 AFL Trade Week Thread

[JimmyBeerCans]

we better not use one of the top 30 picks on Greenwood.

If we swap 30 for Greenwood we may as well lobby for a move back to AAMI Stadium put the SBS Guernsey back on & get Choco back as coaching director.

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

An experienced, big-bodied inside midfielder would take a lot of heat off Wines and Boak. Unfortunately he's on too much money, but we could potentially snaffle him for a third.

I'd trade Lobbe for him in a heartbeat, not that the Pies need him. Maybe a three-way deal?

The Pies are likely to lose Witts to the Suns, once the Prestia deal or JOM deal is done. that leaves Grundy on their list as their only pure ruck.
They have a need for Lobbe, but dont have the role available that Lobbe wants...

id do Lobbe for Greenwood.

 

[finbarr]

Myeh, can't make finals, list not improving. Says enough for mine

"Can't"?

A lot of new user accounts this trade period.

 

[Finest of Wines]

It has to work out this way. We've put ourselves in the gun. No safety net, we **** this up we're boned for a while.

Just to go with the long term contracts we handed out to so many average players. Ive lost pretty much all faith with our list management

 

[raptalia]

I get the Mitchell trade but I don't get the Lewis one (given he is 4 years younger) - well not for what they got and Lewis doesn't sound desperate to get out unless there is some reason that hasn't been made public. The Hawks must have a massive salary cap issue to want to move him on.

Has to be a salary cap issue although the scuttlebutt was that Lewis was not happy at his treatment and wanted out. The reason Lewis' manager gave for his client's selection of Melbourne was that Jordan was good mates with Jay Viney from draft camp. That seems a bit lame to me and I agree there has to be more to it. Maybe the Hawks asked Lewis to take a pay cut on his current contract and Lewis got his current salary or better at Melbourne.

 

[tribey]

The Pies are likely to lose Witts to the Suns, once the Prestia deal or JOM deal is done. that leaves Grundy on their list as their only pure ruck.
They have a need for Lobbe, but dont have the role available that Lobbe wants...

id do Lobbe for Greenwood.

Especially as Greenwood only has 2 years left over Lobbe's 3 I think.

 

[Chrizzt]

I get the Mitchell trade but I don't get the Lewis one (given he is 4 years younger) - well not for what they got and Lewis doesn't sound desperate to get out unless there is some reason that hasn't been made public. The Hawks must have a massive salary cap issue to want to move him on.

I think it was just that Hawthorn knew they had to shift one of them on. They probably figured Mitchell was the favourite son and only had one year and would want to go out a one club player whereas Lewis thought he could play another 3 years so why not move to a club on the up after Hawthorn will probably go down. The problem is like I said in my first post, both players were quite keen on the offer, so while Hawthorn tried to keep Lewis after Mitchell went, Lewis got cranky and demanded that Hawthorn honour their proposal for trading him to Melbourne.
Graham Wright (list manager) even said just today that it's not ideally how they would have liked things to go - a big admission considering most clubs would spin it as being the plan all along.

 

[Teal Plums]

I get the fact that he is a hard bodied inside mid, but have people actually seen Greenwood's disposal?

He is a borderline terrible kick of the football and with his inclusion our foot skill department gets even worse. Oh and his bloated salary too.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

I get the fact that he is a hard bodied inside mid, but have people actually seen Greenwood's disposal?

He is a borderline terrible kick of the football and with his inclusion our foot skill department gets even worse. Oh and his bloated salary too.

He'll be plodding around in the SANFL for the most part it's stupid

 

[raptalia]

An experienced, big-bodied inside midfielder would take a lot of heat off Wines and Boak. Unfortunately he's on too much money, but we could potentially snaffle him for a third.

I'd trade Lobbe for him in a heartbeat, not that the Pies need him. Maybe a three-way deal?

No more three way deals please.

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

He'll be plodding around in the SANFL for the most part it's stupid

Lobbe or Greenwood?

we know (well hope for all hell) Lobbe will be, but i dont see Greenwood playing much SANFL footy if we get him tbh.

 

[Chrizzt]

The thing I have a hard time with is that we've made all of those trades but are actually a worse team than we were in 2013. Sure, the individual pieces on the chess board look shinier but we're losing at the actual game.

That comes down to more than list management - and why so many people are getting impatient with our coaching unit. Like I said, it's widely acknowledged that all deals were basically no-brainers.

The big difference is that Hawthorn built a team through the draft and then looked to top up by trading draft picks for established talent, whereas we seem intent on the opposite approach.

We did the exact same. Gray, Boak, Hartlett, Pittard, Trengove, Wines, Wingard formed the base of our squad through drafting (along with early trade ins of Ebert and Hombsch). The list was established an in 2013 showed very real signs that it could compete. Therefore it was logical to fill gaps by hitting the trade market instead of hoping draft picks could fill them.

Yeah but it's about making the right judgment calls as to who you lock up in long term deals. To have Lobbe locked in until 2019, presumably on decent money, when we'd delist him if he was out of contract, is just awful.

There's no way we'd delist Lobbe. The only annoyance is that if his contract finished this year we could sign him to a contract for less money, but I don't think he was on that much anyway - took a length over dollars contract.

We could've done plenty but this has been discussed every day since January on this board so we won't start the debate again

I agree it's no point opening up again but I still maintain there really wasn't any real ruck option to take anyway.

 

[tribey]

I get the fact that he is a hard bodied inside mid, but have people actually seen Greenwood's disposal?

He is a borderline terrible kick of the football and with his inclusion our foot skill department gets even worse. Oh and his bloated salary too.

If he plays inside he couldn't be any worse than Wineses.

If he plays outside it'll be a disaster.

 

[Doctor Feel]

I like how drug cheats are now securing a young KPF while we fap over selling our soul to the devil.

 

[Coobk001]

I get the fact that he is a hard bodied inside mid, but have people actually seen Greenwood's disposal?

Greenwood is a spud. The only reason he is mentioned is his PA Magpies background. Take that away and no one would touch him. Luckily our list management team isn't that sentimental.

 

[NEGAN]

I'm still trying to understand what just went down.

Lets just say we finish 6th next year giving us pick 13. Now, a Club then approaches us and offers 19 & 30 for 13, would we do it? I wouldn't think so, so why do it 12 months out? If we finish lower than 6th - and there's more chance of that than not IMO - would we give up pick 10 for 19 & 30? Again, I wouldn't think so. How about pick 8 for 19 & 30? And it goes on etc.....

It screams panic to me. It screams - 'here have our 2 average guy for your good guy'. Then again, we exist to be average.

Would we do that deal in any clear, present situation or have we done the deal out of impatience and wanting the new toys now?

We needed much better than 19 & 30 to release a draft pick that has a higher possibility of being 5-9 than it does being

Also, no matter what the Kevin Sheehan's of the world try and tell you next years draft is be That's straight from the mouth of a very respected guy who works in the in

They can't believe what we've just done also.

I am just dumbfounded people on this board accept this trade....

Some very astute respectable posters too.

I thought I would of calmed but cant, the stupidity of this trade is so ..obvious.

 

[DaTBird187]

I am just dumbfounded people on this board accept this trade....

Some very astute respectable posters too.

I thought I would of calmed but cant . the stupidity of this trade is so
..obvious.

It really isn't.

 

[tribey]

Greenwood is a spud. The only reason he is mentioned is his PA Magpies background. Take that away and no one would touch him.

lol carn, this isn't TPFP.

 

[Chrizzt]

It really isn't.

When it comes to evaluating the worth of trades it's clear that [random port board pleb] >> [an actual ****** AFL list management team]

 

[Doctor Feel]

lol carn, this isn't TPFP.

I dunno m8, we still have dank power pete memes and a few of the rose colored glasses krew.

 

[tribey]

I like how drug cheats are now securing a young KPF while we fap over selling our soul to the devil.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. They should've kept their draft picks from the year they were busted (which was indicative of their true list strength) and lost their picks from the year they were artificially weakened by the WADA sanctions.

Now they've got the best of both worlds - 22 games pumped into the Merretts, McDonald-Tippingwoodys and Parishes; a draft full of top young kids and a slew of returning stars across the park.

 

[PAFC66]

Unless there's some miracle we'll most likely finish close to bottom 4 this year so we have really ****ed up here..

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

lol carn, this isn't TPFP.

I like this description of his round 11 game against us

"Unable to keep Port midfield opponents in check and ball use was wayward" lel

 

[Zakk Wylde]

"Can't"?

A lot of new user accounts this trade period.

All cants !

 

[PepeSilvia]

"Can't"?

A lot of new user accounts this trade period.

New account, same b0ydman.