Traded Jaeger O'Meara [traded to Hawthorn for pick 10 and GWS's 2017 2nd rd pick]

[citizen-erased]

If we did 8 for our 2017 first rounder and the Hibberd pick, Hawthorn would be completely boxed out and would have to up the offer if they had any chance of securing him.

GC have two picks for next year so they can chase players again.

We either get O'Meara for a first and second or at worst, we have two top 10 picks in a very good top 10 of the 2016 draft.

Long shot, but more realistic than the Hawks getting 3. Might be the catalyst for getting Hawthorn to offer more.

once we have 8 and JOM committed, we would surely get him to go to the PSD.
No skin off GCS' back or ours.
We just need to make 8 worthwhile to GCS.
2017 1st & 29 is better than 10 and 48.

 

[Furn2]

Its my understanding that he would nominate a contract length and amount per year (lets say $750,000) and then its up the club thats looking to pick him up whether they want to front-load it etc to fit him in. Think its crazy to think that clubs like Essendon, Fremantle and GC themselves wouldn't be able to match the Hawks offer.

Yep, but it could be 550k in ASA and 200k in the cap or 0 in the ASA and 750k in the cap or any combination in between.

Only the Hawks will know that part.

So a team will need to clear $750k from its cap and all of its ASA component to be sure of meeting that contract. Then course if its 800k a year they will be told they cant afford it. Look up how Tippett got to the Swans wit the last pick in the psd.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

oh look here a person with an intimate understanding of each clubs salary cap position. How does it feel being the expert with regards to this subject matter?

I feel like a Hawthorn supporter.

 

[SmokingGun]

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[citizen-erased]

does anyone know the record on how long one of these threads has gone.

 

[Foxx]

Mediators coming in tomorrow. Question is not whether it will get done, but what else is Hawthorn giving up?
Has to be a player to either GC or a third party.

 

[boncer34]

Yep, but it could be 550k in ASA and 200k in the cap or 0 in the ASA and 750k in the cap or any combination in between.

Only the Hawks will know that part.

So a team will need to clear $750k from its cap and all of its ASA component to be sure of meeting that contract. Then course if its 800k a year they will be told they cant afford it. Look up how Tippett got to the Swans wit the last pick in the psd.

Uhhhh can you explain 2 things to me please.

1. What do you believe the ASA is?
2. Where has it ever been said a player can nominate whether their paid in the salary cap or ASA?

 

[Grizzly86]

Mediators coming in tomorrow. Question is not whether it will get done, but what else is Hawthorn giving up?
Has to be a player to either GC or a third party.

The answer probably lies between 10 and 48, and what he would be worth on the open market. If he just said to the Suns, send me to any of the 17 clubs, just get the best value for your club.

 

[superstar25]

With it looking like it's going to a draft scenario what do people think the number will be clubs will have to pay in $$$$ I'm guessing somewhere between 1.8 mill and 2.4 mill for 2 years Jaeger will put on himself

 

[HairyO]

He is literally worth top dollar according to Hawthorn.

There would be 40 or 50 players at least on more coin than we are offering him.

We will get a good look at how shrewd Cochrane is tomorrow. If pick 8 gets traded to Essendon/North/Richmond/St Kilda (or any other Victorian team), we can expect things to heat up drastically, as the draft threat loses much of its venom. That club has a month to work on Jaeger to get him on side.

So Cochrane will help other clubs get his player for free? That makes exactly zero sense. But given its Cochrane I suppose it is possible.

Next year hopefully another club has a crack at a GCS player then we can make a play for them in the Draft.

 

[Sammymoite]

He will end up at the Hawks, put your house on it.

Whether that involves Lyons in a 3-way trade or another solution, it'll happen. He's Hawks bound

 

[superstar25]

Its my understanding that he would nominate a contract length and amount per year (lets say $750,000) and then its up the club thats looking to pick him up whether they want to front-load it etc to fit him in. Think its crazy to think that clubs like Essendon, Fremantle and GC themselves wouldn't be able to match the Hawks offer.

probably be closer to 1 -1.2 mill a season

 

[Number37]

He does but they aren't made available, only the Hawks will know, other teams have to give their cap details to the AFL who will decide whether they have room, if they do they re given the contract terms, if not they are simply told no they cant.

The tricky bit is the player can nominate exact amount in the ASA and cap and teams will need to have enough space in both to meet this, just having enough money overall gets you a no, like Brisbane and GWS did with Tippett.

Doesn't that only apply to the pre-season draft?
The rules are different for the national draft aren't they?

 

[wa don]

A disgrace more like it!!

HaHa, the players that are still alive from your teams are in and out of jail, nothing to do with the club though, thats whats a disgrace.

 

[triple treat]

interesting to see Cochrane being pilloried for doing nothing more than standing up for a struggling and stuttering new franchise

if it was Kevin Sheedy, we'd all be saying 'good work Sheeds'...Cohrane is obviously not in Sheeds' class when it comes to verbal dexterity but you can't doubt his passion or his pluck

as to why no other club Chairmen behave this way? well, desperate times call for desperate measures and things have rarely been more desperate than the current state of AFL in Queensland #deadcanary

Because like Cochran said "it's a buyers and sellers market" and your not always the seller sometimes your the buyer (what goes around comes around) Other chairmen realise this!

 

[Furn2]

Uhhhh can you explain 2 things to me please.

1. What do you believe the ASA is?
2. Where has it ever been said a player can nominate whether their paid in the salary cap or ASA?

1. The ASA is the additional services agreement and its money paid to players over and above the salary cap for guess what ? additional services e.g. sponsors meetings and the like. Its limited to i believe $1,022,000 per club for 2016.

2. "Under the rules, clubs have to provide the AFL with estimates of what their salary cap will be for the next season. The AFL then tells the clubs if they have room to participate in the pre-season draft (PSD). In this case, the AFL has informed the Lions and Giants that they would not be able fit Tippett into their total player payments (TPP).

Thus, Brisbane and GWS were not permitted to see the four-year arrangement that Tippett has negotiated with the Swans and nominated as his terms.

The Lions are understood to have had as much as $500,000-$600,000 remaining in the TPP - what is otherwise known as the salary cap - and a further amount of $250-$350,000 in the Additional Services Agreements, the capped payments made to players for promoting sponsors and the club.

But while Brisbane conceivably could have come close to matching Tippett's fee for 2013, perhaps $800,000-900,000 - by combining the two forms of capped payments - Tippett is believed to have set out terms that put all, or nearly all, of his contract in the salary cap. This appears to be a clever tactic of his management and the Swans to ensure he gets to his club of choice."

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tippett-gets-his-sydney-wish-20121210-2b5q6.html

 

[EssendonPride]

Yep, but it could be 550k in ASA and 200k in the cap or 0 in the ASA and 750k in the cap or any combination in between.

Only the Hawks will know that part.

So a team will need to clear $750k from its cap and all of its ASA component to be sure of meeting that contract. Then course if its 800k a year they will be told they cant afford it. Look up how Tippett got to the Swans wit the last pick in the psd.

Incorrect.
ASA payments can't be used to match payments included in the cap, but there is no rule preventing the reverse.

 

[Jedstar]

I'll be sure to scuttle back to this thread tomorrow to see the reactions when JOM reaches Hawthorn anyway!

Vickery, Mitchell and O'Meara this year, Martin or Fyfe the next...

Feels great barracking for a club where the future is always bright and everyone else hates you for it.

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[Prochard123]

I'll be sure to scuttle back to this thread tomorrow to see the reactions when JOM reaches Hawthorn anyway!

Vickery, Mitchell and O'Meara this year, Martin or Fyfe the next...

Feels great barracking for a club where the future is always bright and everyone else hates you for it.

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How do you trade for Martin or Fyfe with almost nothing left next year?

 

[Olian]

How do you trade for Martin or Fyfe with almost nothing left next year?

Money saved from Buddy's contract...

 

[Olian]

How do you trade for Martin or Fyfe with almost nothing left next year?

Money saved from Buddy's contract...

 

[Iva Bigun]

Mediators coming in tomorrow. Question is not whether it will get done, but what else is Hawthorn giving up?
Has to be a player to either GC or a third party.

I think we should demand Jaegers missus gives us his balls from her purse

 

[Sammymoite]

I'll be sure to scuttle back to this thread tomorrow to see the reactions when JOM reaches Hawthorn anyway!

Vickery, Mitchell and O'Meara this year, Martin or Fyfe the next...

Feels great barracking for a club where the future is always bright and everyone else hates you for it.

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Member since 2007, the beginning of your period of success... How convenient

 

[The_Steadier]

We will get a good look at how shrewd Cochrane is tomorrow. If pick 8 gets traded to Essendon/North/Richmond/St Kilda (or any other Victorian team), we can expect things to heat up drastically, as the draft threat loses much of its venom. That club has a month to work on Jaeger to get him on side.

Grizzly just made more sense in one paragraph than 400 pages of hawthorn fans combined.

 

[The_Steadier]

For what? to who?

you blokes maybe. Or north. Or saints.

you still want to split pick 1?

How's 4 and 8 sound?
GC will be interested for Bowes purposes.

The saints have been saying since friday we want back into the 1st round this year, maybe we find something GC want for pick 8?

North have gone full rebuild and offloading as many old blokes as they can.
They wouldn't even have to offload a good old bloke to move from 11 to 8.
GC want old blokes.