No worries, just putting in my 2 cents. I agree that a first and a second would have been looked at very closely. McKay has also stated it was a future third that was offered.
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List Mgmt. 2016 NAB AFL Trade Period
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At the end of the day SOS needs to get top talent into the list and it's not easy to do this. You need to use whatever edge you have available to you and for us it was his GWS connections.
We got Plowman and Marchbank cheaply and have gambled on fitness of Sumner and Pickett.
Not much else we Can do. Can't ask the AFL for free top ten picks
We got Plowman and Marchbank cheaply and have gambled on fitness of Sumner and Pickett.
Not much else we Can do. Can't ask the AFL for free top ten picks
Yes they want to show what a bad deal it was for us that they fail to see it was GWS's pick that was traded. Probably Essendon fans hoping O'Meara would fall through to psd.
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I think it was ok aswell. The biggest negative is that it has pretty much pushed out second rounder back another pick because Pick 10 in the ND would've been taken up for Jäger if the trade hadn't gone through. That could mean the difference between finding a dud or a very good
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Try 30-35 not 20-25 it wasnt our pick we traded it was GWS's
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A lot of people don't do football - much of what is said is social engagement stuff in here.
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The Touhy trade was made so much better by Gibbs staying.
If Gibbs had of left we would have effecively traded Touhy for Smedts #63 and a 4-10 pick upgrade as we would have finished bottom 4.
But with Gibbs staying we are locks to finish about 12th (and dont tell me otherwise) so it becomes a 6-12 pick upgrade straight away.
But really, as we on traded it, it doesnt matter too much. All that matters will be where we fall.
With Gibbs staying we gave up Touhy and a pick in the 23-28 range for the GWS haul as opposed to a pick in the 19-22 range. I'm happy with that.
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If Gibbs had of left we would have effecively traded Touhy for Smedts #63 and a 4-10 pick upgrade as we would have finished bottom 4.
But with Gibbs staying we are locks to finish about 12th (and dont tell me otherwise) so it becomes a 6-12 pick upgrade straight away.
But really, as we on traded it, it doesnt matter too much. All that matters will be where we fall.
With Gibbs staying we gave up Touhy and a pick in the 23-28 range for the GWS haul as opposed to a pick in the 19-22 range. I'm happy with that.
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Sorry, not really following your line of thought here. What do you mean?
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Rowe is a very versatile player- pretty much played out of his natural forwards positionh - becaause we had no other big body in defence. He gets xcriticised for making skill errors all the time and consigned to teh VFL by posters on here - just lookm at the projected teams posted recently to see where Rowe is rated.
Not a lot of thought really goes into a lot of posts.
I agree with you that teh blinding obvious move for Rowe - woudl be into forward line as a CHF or FF - he knows how to lead/mark/kick a gola much better than current plodders like Levi and Jones.
Unfortunately - he will be reuired to continue being teh big body in defence until younger blokes mature.
Rowe would be one of first five picked every week in MC meetings - but on here is too many see him as a plodder - because it is an easy thing to say.
I agree he will be left down back more than likely for the same reasons. Having said that, it does depend a lot on who we are playing and how we are playing. I'm not sold on the need for a huge full back. Rowe spends a lot of time on ground (probably more than any other player) and does well at his size to maintain the defensive zones and act as the biggest defender. I'm not so sure he specifically is needed though - if Marchbank is fit to play, then I can't see why he shouldn't be that defender. But then again, I don't get paid the big bucks to strategise for the team and there may be a reason for that...
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It isn't complicated really - Rowe has a mature body - Plowman and Weitering and Marchbank don't - yet. They dont have the sinew or muscle strength to wrestle with big forwards - yet. They will have the height, l;eg speed and hopefully smarts to intercept , outposition and help each other when required.
Yep agree - when it comes to wrestling a forward though, I reckon if that's happening, we've already failed in our defensive setup. The aim would be to never have a 1v1 contest in the D50.
Ok it's time for the Gurus thoughts! I'm pretty happy with the overall trade period, stated st the outset that Marchbank was our man and we got him without giving away pick 5 which had been touted. The Touhy trade allowed this to happen, so whilst dad to see him go we can cover that lose. Now we need to select only midfielders in this draft, poor old Cripps needs some support of a classy onballer so fingers crossed!
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yep - sure.
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All these posters that think we traded our future 2nd for Hawks' late picks or we traded our future 2nd rounder twice, c'mon!
Seriously, what part of the 814 trades and 10,748 posts in the last 50 seconds of trade week don't you comprehend?
Hard to blame the ordinary folk who trust the professional journos to report things properly.
AFL.com.au
Ten Burning Questions From Trade Week
by Travis King
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-21/ten-burning-questions-from-the-trade-period
Seriously. The bloke is a professional, paid journalist for the AFL, and 10% of this article is based on a trade he's gotten completely wrong.
GWS will go into 2017 with short odds to make the Grand Final. If they do that, their second round pick will be 35. Assume that 5+ passable free agents change clubs next year (and next year's FA pool is loaded), that pick drops back to 40.
Pick 40 - 429 points
Picks 48, 66, 70 - 421 points
- Negligible difference in points, maybe even in our favour if there are a heap of FA movements next year.
- Bring in more kids now in the same year to work and develop together.
- This year's draft is supposedly deeper (not sure whether this extends to the later rounds...).
- Bank a favour to cash in with Hawthorn (and maybe GC) down the track.
- Stop Essendon from getting JOM for free.
- Show other clubs that we're willing to discuss terms to help them with trades, as long as they come to us cap in hand.
I don't see any negatives to this deal with the exception of helping strengthen Hawthorn, but if it's them or Essendon I'll go with the Hawks every day.
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The only ones touting pick 5, were the peanut gallery AFL and Carlton hating journos - who wanted us to be bent over without lube.
Every other GWS trade was touted as a second rounder or worse to get done.
It was disgraceful anti-Carlton bias all the way.
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Yep the trading was very good and at minimal cost to us and we desperatly need classy on ballers to add should be able to land one of Anisworth or SPS, either have X factor, speed and talent in spades, at 24 a Dew or Clarke would be great, unless a Battle or Kerr is availabe.
Hawthorns picks will be pushed down by FAs as well so it is not a great deal points wise.
We also don't have our second next year. Given people will stop picking in the 60s, I would much preferred to keep the pick and had a couple of late picks and given a couple of players (Bucks ,DVR) an extra year.
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Don't think there's any more pick shuffling to happen now - any Free Agents that get signed from here will be the Delisted ones, with no compensation attached.
If anything, our later picks this year will move up if clubs have to use multiple picks to grab academy or father/son players (less prevalent than in previous years with the late pick hoarding that went on).
The last three drafts have gone to picks 70, 86 and 77 respectively, so they're not token picks. And it doesn't matter when other clubs stop drafting, they'll have different list management challenges than us, given we're wanting to turn over the list as much as possible.
Agree 100%. I said as much in my ideal team for next year.
Casboult should be a backup to McKay and Rowe for the big forward positions. Besides contested marking, Rowe has him soundly beaten everywhere else.
Yeah, know this now as I pointed out earlier in thread the trade with Hawks turns out not to be the future pick they made it sound it was. The AFL site confused many of us the way it was written. Should have made it obvious it was tied to GWS finishing position. In reality it will be later than even 30 to 35. . GWS I expect first or second and given how compo picks handed out after round one these days I expect their 2nd round pick will end up nearly pick 40 next year.
In the end it now looks like SOS did Hawks no favours and if anything took a little advantage of them in a bind.
