Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

[Collingwoodity]

Might that be because, as a society, we haven't exactly rolled out the welcome mat? I'd probably retreat to an enclave if people abused me, judged me for my religion, discriminated against me on skin colour, demanded me to give up much loved traditions....

That's the thing about people like us mate, we don't experience what they experience, we're rich, employed, white, males in an environment that loves, nurtures and protects us.

We can't force these people to the fringes of society and then wonder why they get suckered into extremism.

The best tactic to subvert Islamic Terrorism is with education, awareness, ignorance intolerance and in general catching flies with honey rather than vinegar.

Whilst I know it was tongue in cheek, if Australia employed your tactic of enforcing ham sandwich eating and beer drinking then not only would we be burning the very thing that makes Australia great (freedom to be who you want to be) we would also be increasing the chances of home grown domestic terrorism - Australia has half a million Muslims already

Australian society is more than welcoming enough.

You will never go hungry, you will never not have a place to sleep, you will always be entitled to the rule of law.

Once you are here, what more do you want?

Burn innocent people alive in a bank? No. I think that is what is concerning.

I don't remember many Greek, Maltese, Italian immigrants doing these sorts of things.

 

[JackOutback]

Do the White Fellas you are talking about gang rape under 15 year olds of the same sex?

Haven't heard that before.

What a bizarre question; white people have r*ped men, women and children, as have black people, brown people, yellow people. It's not a cultural or religious phenomenon.

 

[Werewolf]

That's because it was so perfunctory that it wasn't worth addressing.

I don't actually oppose Islamic immigration but all refugees & immigrants must be vetted. My Muslim friends are all university educated and education will eventually overcome archaic laws & beliefs IMO, but until it does we must take precautions!

If people break the law, or have broken the law, throw the book at them. Couldn't care less if they are white, pink, Jewish or Satanists.

Yes but if crooks are not Australian citizens, they should be deported to their homelands after serving jail time. And that goes both ways, if an Australian commits a crime overseas, they should be sent back here after being dealt with.

 

[ScooterBrother]

Australian society is more than welcoming enough.

Are you Islamic? If not, it is not up to you, or anyone other than the Islamic community to define that.

You don't get to tell people how they feel.

I don't remember many Greek, Maltese, Italian immigrants doing these sorts of things.

I don't remember any Islamic Terrorism in Australia either.

The Italians had organised crime, the Asians had their inner city gangs. The white people had small pox.

Every wave of immigration goes through a period of integration pain. This is no different.

 

[ScooterBrother]

I don't actually oppose Islamic immigration but all refugees & immigrants must be vetted. My Muslim friends are all university educated and education will eventually overcome archaic laws & beliefs IMO, but until it does we must take precautions!


Yes but if crooks are not Australian citizens, they should be deported to their homelands after serving jail time. And that goes both ways, if an Australian commits a crime overseas, they should be sent back here after being dealt with.

Agree on both counts.

 

[Collingwoodity]

What a bizarre question; white people have r*ped men, women and children, as have black people, brown people, yellow people. It's not a cultural or religious phenomenon.

Not bizarre.

I asked if the White Fellas you are talking about gang r*ped under 15 year olds of the same sex?

I had not heard of 5 white males raping a boy under the age of 15 y.o. in Australia.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Are you Islamic? If not, it is not up to you, or anyone other than the Islamic community to define that.

You don't get to tell people how they feel.

I don't remember any Islamic Terrorism in Australia either.

The Italians had organised crime, the Asians had their inner city gangs. The white people had small pox.

Every wave of immigration goes through a period of integration pain. This is no different.

By the same token, it is not up to you either mate.

You don't get to whinge and whine about Australia not being welcoming.

Hypocritically you have indicated that Italians have organised crime and Asians had inner city gangs.

 

[ScooterBrother]

I had not heard of 5 white males raping a boy under the age of 15 y.o. in Australia.

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=The+Family+Murders

 

[ScooterBrother]

By the same token, it is not up to you either mate.

You don't get to whinge and whine about Australia not being welcoming.

Hypocritically you have indicated that Italians have organised crime and Asians had inner city gangs.

I'm not, I am listening to the Islamic community and this is what they're saying.

and they did, its a matter of historical fact.

 

[Collingwoodity]

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=The+Family+Murders

Thanks.
Had no idea.
Disgusting.

 

[Collingwoodity]

I'm not, I am listening to the Islamic community and this is what they're saying.

and they did, its a matter of historical fact.

I have had many Islamic friends from Saudi, UAE, Bangladesh and Turkey/Cyprus. I made them feel very welcome.

Some drank alcohol, some didn't, some ate bacon, some didn't. Who cares? What does it matter?

Mate, I don't know whom you are listening to.

 

[ScooterBrother]

I have had many Islamic friends from Saudi, UAE, Bangladesh and Turkey/Cyprus. I made them feel very welcome.

Some drank alcohol, some didn't, some ate bacon, some didn't. Who cares? What does it matter?

Mate, I don't know whom you are listening to.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/muslims-on-what-its-like-to-live-in-australia-20160429-goi953.html

^^^^ that, right there, is the true cause of Terrorism.

 

[Collingwoodity]

http://www.smh.com.au/national/muslims-on-what-its-like-to-live-in-australia-20160429-goi953.html

This seems strange. Have you met any islamic people who had told you these things?

What I find really peculiar about this is that they are all afraid to be identified as Islamic but then are happy to make comments to the SMH/the Age for a publicity story that will circulate forever and ever amongst all 24 million Australians?

Sounds odd.

 

[Ron The Bear]

http://www.smh.com.au/national/muslims-on-what-its-like-to-live-in-australia-20160429-goi953.html

Oh FFS, they're the biggest professional victims around. Can never find fault with their own. If Australia's such a terrible place, why did they choose to live here, especially as it's known internationally as a "racist" country? Why not choose a peaceful Muslim country like Malaysia?

You're a minority with weird customs, the locals are gonna say stuff.

 

[ScooterBrother]

This seems strange. Have you met any islamic people who had told you these things?

hahaha all the time! Constantly!

I have an Indonesian boss who is Islamic and I travel with him a bit.

The way he is treated is absolutely disgusting.

What I find really peculiar about this is that they are all afraid to be identified as Islamic but then are happy to make comments to the SMH/the Age for a publicity story that will circulate forever and ever amongst all 24 million Australians?

Sounds odd.

I think they mean "in the flesh"

 

[ScooterBrother]

Oh FFS, they're the biggest professional victims around. Can never find fault with their own. If Australia's such a terrible place, why did they choose to live here, especially as it's known internationally as a "racist" country? Why not choose a peaceful Muslim country like Malaysia?

Probably for the same reasons you choose to live here.

Good job, nice environment, safe, prosperous, clean, get to laugh at Richmond.....

You're a minority with weird customs, the locals are gonna say stuff.

Yup. until of course those weird customs are no longer "weird". The Italian over the divider loves telling me the stories about how he used to get beaten up for eating a Salami sandwich because it stank, how he used to get bullied for being hairy. How soccer was for "****s". How things have changed just in his lifetime.

Usually takes a generation or two. Just like breastfeeding in public, you'll get used to it. You'll be alright Ronny

 

[Collingwoodity]

hahaha all the time! Constantly!

I have an Indonesian boss who is Islamic and I travel with him a bit.

The way he is treated is absolutely disgusting.

I think they mean "in the flesh"

Maybe. I haven't seen any behaviour exhibited towards my Islamic friends or colleagues in my time which could be characterised as disgusting.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I have an Indonesian boss who is Islamic and I travel with him a bit.

It's well known that Indonesia (mostly) practices a peaceful brand of Islam due to its roots in Buddhism/Hinduism, the rise of Wahhabist schools on Sumatra notwithstanding. Think you would find most people have little objection to Indonesians coming here, subject to the normal checks.

 

[Lebbo73]

There's no such thing as terrorism dude.

It's a C.I.A propaganda narrative & exercise in mind-control....All there is, is U.S mass-murder, on a global scale.

Everyone knows the C.I.A did 9/11....So stop being so freaking naive, gullible & deluded man.

Some of us know that but it still doesn't stop a small percentage of Muslims who decide to become terrorists.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Look at the data big fella, a higher Muslim population doesn't correlate to higher rates of Terrorism. Don't believe me, download the Global Terrorism Database, and a spreadsheet of countries with Muslim populations and do the math. Whilst it is certainly trending upwards, so are school shootings. Should we ban White Male Emo Teenagers?

Terrorism requires a cocktail of poisons to work. Religious zealotry is the vehicle or the glass that is used to hold the poison, not the poison itself.

And appeasement (I call it tolerance, but whatevs) never works? Except of course in... most of the Western World. Including Australia.

You're better than resorting to strawmen, mate.

Use these stats

http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/30/a...ings-us-terror-plots-attacks-to-93-since-911/

Many ingest the poison far too readily.

Appeasement and tolerance are different. Appeasement didn't work for Chamberlain on the Nazis, or Montezuma on the conquistadors.

Taxes. Workers. And good food. And good people. And cultural diversity.

The fabric which built this country, in other words...

What are the numbers on taxes collected v social security benefits paid? Let along the cost of security. I'll take the food without the terror, thanks. And you throw in a "diversity", the gratuitous catchcry of libertarians, as though diversity was a worthwhile goal in itself. Diversity is making this country dysfunctional.

It's already changed and is still changing.

The biggest problem that Westerners have with Islam is actually in the way it's written. For want of a better analogy: if The Bible was a neatly written and structured dramatic Stephen King novel, the Quran would be a poem by Yeats. It is in its very nature open to interpretation. Sadly, people who want power, money and resources have hijacked it to brainwash the sad, lonely and isolated.

The way to control it is to address the latter.

On this we're not going to agree. That text is consecrate and inviolate. There will always be fundies who insist that it be observed literally. The way to control it is to ask "Is this person going to fit in?" of everyone who comes to the door.

 

[Malifice]

They love to blame the media, non Muslims and just about everything else that goes against Islamic beliefs and traditions, don't they? A very dangerous cult indeed.

Youre back again I see.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Some of us know that but it still doesn't stop a small percentage of Muslims who decide to become terrorists.

Yes....Seeing your home destroyed, your family murdered & your country inhabited & over-run by aliens will tend to cause such repercussions.

Lets not get lost in the detail by ignoring the big picture....Which is just the way the corporate owned media want it.

 

[Malifice]

Ive just had to go through and delete a lot of posts. These included meltdowns and Posts which purported to characterise Muslims as paedophiles, or some kind of secret Army or Trojan horse infiltrating our society to kill us all.

I'll say it again: legitimate criticism of Islam is fair game. If you stray into the realms of bigotry then expect to lose posting privileges at bare minimum.

This isn't stormfront or some alt-right wank fest.

 

[scotslad]

There was a thread on Islam talking about the benefits of the religion, why was this thread taken off? was it deemed too positive for this forum or something?

 

[Malifice]

There was a thread on Islam talking about the benefits of the religion, why was this thread taken off? was it deemed too positive for this forum or something?

No, because all the alt-right d*ckheads that have been banned from this thread started posting crap in that one.

One thread makes it easier to keep an eye on.