Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

[Werewolf]

ask her if it was "all in good fun" as Pauline suggested it was

Silly suggestion from Pauline. Mum was derisively called a "wog", marked down in school (this was in the 60's) - genuine racism. Not like the BS accusations thrown around nowadays. Things improved for "wogs" when Asians arrived to take the heat in the 80's

Side note: Pauline's first husband was a Polish immigrant, so she probably never disliked Greeks, Italians, etc.

What's with this PC BS "alt right" anyway? They're plain old racist/bigots.

There are different factions of "alt right". The racists get the most attention from the corporate media

 

[deltablues]

Generally on OP topic, but as a personal vignette [edited from an earlier post on BF] as the Western personal level is not often reported on in the media - I lived during part of my career at various times for a total of 14 years as a legal resident in various Muslim countries in the Gulf and in the Maghreb, pre- and post-Desert Storm 1

I learned me some Arabic (fiendishly difficult grammar), got to know the mindset, got involved with the culture (language and literature and poetry), made friends with some of the locals wherever I was, mixed daily with Muslims, business-wise, socially and in the street - I was entirely at ease in Muslim society and its landscape.

I experienced as a resident the strict Kuwaiti and Qatari very conservative Islamic culture, the secular Islamic Libyan culture and ditto in Casablanca Morocco, and the mix in Abu Dhabi.

In Libya (pre-Ghaddafi murder) I could have been in southern Italy - not a beard or dishdasha or hijab in sight. All western dress. The girls wore very short shorts. Coming from the Gulf I was taken aback by their unseemly show of flesh * lol. There were no religious overtones at all (Ghaddafi made sure of that). I made some very good Libyan friends (not heard from since Ghaddafi was deposed - an enormous error by the West). I loved Libya and leaving there was one of the saddest days of my expat life. The only other posting I liked equally was Japan.

I got on OK with the average individual Arab/Muslim (as I did with other nationalities) and enjoyed the humor, the traditional tribal (especially in the Gulf) hospitality and conservative family values. But on the other hand I did not admire the indolence and rentier mindset of the Gulf and indeed of many Muslims - (Malaysia is a good example of this). I was conflicted in that I generally liked the individuals but not the culture. That is partly a TW thing, not just Islam.

To work there you need to realize that the mindset of the Arab/Maghreb world (Muslim) is very different to a Westerner's. It is tribal. And outside the tribal group there is no shame in lying (as we define it). It is natural. To blame others is usual. The temperament is aggressive, easily offended, potentially violent. You see that in the way the "refugees" are behaving. It is classic Middle East behavior. When living in their lands I worked around that - expats have to do that to work there. If they think you are weak you will be taken advantage of. That is another M/E trait. It is bred in them down to the bone. That is a cultural trait, and when you live there you can understand it - you have to acculturate yourself to a degree in order to avoid being too judgmental. Best to find commonality, in order to rub along.

Anyway, from my experience I know (unlike many westerners who just read the papers/watch TV and see Muslim stuff going on) that there are various forms of Islam (not talking about the Shiites and Sunnis) and the average Mohammed and Jamilla just want to live a normal life like we do. And pre-Wahhabi it was very laid back - very few hijabs etc in Egypt and the Maghreb/Malaysia/Indonesia...

But the Wahhabis have poisoned it and Islam is now being taken over by ill-educated primitive morons, many if whom would be otherwise in jail or tossing burgers. I can elaborate on this but not here, other than to say that a Pakistani lawyer colleague of mine in Kuwait - himself a Muslim, of course - said to me that the Gulf Arabs need an extreme form of Islam to control them as they are ignorant tribal barbarians despised by the educated Muslim world. And Egypt is the apex of this world.

The Wahhabi sect is essentially a Bronze-Age mindset (as are arguably all of the 3 Abrahamic religions in their original guise) locked in a loop of act, revenge and reprisal. Islam at that level is not the religion of "peace" at all. This was coined by George Bush for domestic reasons and of course was seized upon by Islam's proponents and apologists. The Arabic root word for Islam means submission. It is the religion of submission. If you do not submit you are dead. That is when you get peace.

Sir Winston Churchill got it right in his 1899 book "The River War," in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

The comment about Christianity (which can be read broadly so as to embrace a robust belief in and commitment to Western values) is a key statement in respect of the West's resolve to combat Islamism. It is being eroded by the cultural Marxists and their Hegelian dialectic. Which is their (the extreme Left's) aim, of course.

When I was living in Kuwait the Twin Towers fell. When I went outside there were car horns tooting, guns fired in celebration and candy handed out in the streets.This from those saved by the Allies from the Iraqis. I was deeply shaken (as I had lived with these folk for many years) and then disgusted, and then just a cold disdain developed. From that day on I realized we were at war with fundamentalist Islam.

But I remain conflicted on a human, non-ideological level. For, example I recall when I was in a hospital waiting room in Ben Ghashier, Libya, watching on CNN a bunch of Arabs/Muslims being slaughtered by the Allies in Desert Storm 2. I was the only Westerner in the room, and as I saw the carnage on TV, chatting in my Gulf Arabic dialect to an old guy sitting next to me, I began to feel a bit uneasy, because I knew if I was back in Houston Texas in a reverse scenario I would probably have been beaten up. But everyone was cool and we chatted on. Mu mushkula, insh'allah...

Agreed that fundamentalist Islam is not mainstream Islam, and to an extent you can sympathize with the moderate Muslims having been captured by the radicals. But Islam and the moderate Muslims are the sea through which the extremists swim. You cannot separate the two, especially in the West. Unless Wahhabism is destroyed the only way to combat fundamentalist Islam is to pull the plug in the Western countries and drain the sea. Man, woman, child and goldfish. Kallas. And cut the money off. But that is a whole different topic.

But funnily enough, I do miss to some extent living in my expat Muslim lands. I miss the relaxed and laid back ambience, and the good humor and stolid stoicism even in bad times. We can learn a lot from that...

 

[adammania9]

Germany's defence Minister recently refused to don a hijab in her recent trip to Saudi Arabia, which is apparently against the dress code in KSA. Good on her I say - the Hijab is a representation of thousands of years of oppression against women.

Germany's Defence Minister has offended a lot of people during a visit to Saudi Arabia after refusing to wear a hijab.

Ursula von der Leyen made a point as she reportedly said that women should have the same right to choose their clothing as men.

She met Salman bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud in the Saudi capital of Riyadh and quickly voiced her annoyance that women were 'expected to cover up'. She instead went for a dark blue pant suit. Fair play.

Apparently, all women (local and foreign) in Saudi Arabia are legally required to wear an abaya (a full-body covering) which Ursula chose to not to do. Muslim women must also wear a hijab. However, foreigners are not legally required to cover their heads.

People took to Twitter to vent their fury with comments such as: 'OK so why didn't they arrest her? The hypocrisy and double standards'.

Another wrote: 'The German Defence Minister: Not wearing the hijab in Saudi was deliberate. This is an insult to Saudi Arabia!'

Also in case some aren't aware, Angela Merkel has recently called for the burka to be banned in Germany which I along with millions of Germans support (I'm not German fyi) "Showing your face is a way of life"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/06/angela-merkel-calls-burka-ban-wherever-legally-possible/

 

[deltablues]

The vast majority of Trump supporters are just disenfranchised blue collar workers. The guys that lost their jobs to the very Corporatism, Trade liberalisation and globalisation you support.

And David Duke and the Klu Klux Klan of course. They also support Trump. For very different reasons.

So yeah not, all of his supporters are racists and sexists. It's just that the racists and sexists tended to vote for him.



Whos deifying Castro?

Re the bold - excellent. Ensures the Repubs will be in power for generations.

#You.Don't. Get. It.

 

[deltablues]

Germany's defence Minister recently refused to don a hijab in her recent trip to Saudi Arabia, which is apparently against the dress code in KSA. Good on her I say - the Hijab is a representation of thousands of years of oppression against women.



Also in case some aren't aware, Angela Merkel has recently called for the burka to be banned in Germany which I along with millions of Germans support (I'm not German fyi) "Showing your face is a way of life"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/06/angela-merkel-calls-burka-ban-wherever-legally-possible/

There is nothing in the Q'ran requiring females to cover their hair/faces. It requires women to dress "modestly". How you define that word is of course the thing.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Are people aware that the acronym ISIS, originally stood for Israeli Secret Intelligence Service?

Which is mostly known today as Mossad....Who are known to have been complicit in the 9/11 Twin Tower attacks.

In fact....The entire 'Terrorist' dialogue & Narrative derives from the Israeli/Palestinian conflict from the 60's & 70'S.

There's an excellent movie made in 1979 about it called "The little Drummer girl".

Cept now....Their getting the yanks to do their dirty work for them....That the U.S.A & NATO have effectively become a standing military, in the service of both Israel & the Saudis....Who are in fact their pay-masters.

U.S citizens are now the slaves of Israel & Saudi Arabia.

Nothing to do with Islam....Everything to do with total control of the world's oil reserves.....'Islam' & 'Terrorism' are simply mind-control narratives to enslave the West into this conflict.

 

[The Edukator]

Are people aware that the acronym ISIS, originally stood for Israeli Secret Intelligence Service?

Which is mostly known today as Mossad....Who are known to have been complicit in the 9/11 Twin Tower attacks.

In fact....The entire 'Terrorist' dialogue & Narrative derives from the Israeli/Palestinian conflict from the 60's & 70'S.

There's an excellent movie made in 1979 about it called "The little Drummer girl".

Cept now....Their getting the yanks to do their dirty work for them....That the U.S.A & NATO have effectively become a standing military, in the service of both Israel & the Saudis....Who are in fact their pay-masters.

U.S citizens are now the slaves of Israel & Saudi Arabia.

Nothing to do with Islam....Everything to do with total control of the world's oil reserves.....'Islam' & 'Terrorism' are simply mind-control narratives to enslave the West into this conflict.

lol

 

[Procrastinator35]

lol

Do some research senor 'unedukated'.

 

[Moody Blue]

Dude, its been widley noted that the grant pushed prices up and made properties less affordable:



http://www.yourmortgage.com.au/article/first-home-owners-grant-82983.aspx

In any event, the FHOG was only put inplace to counteract the impact of GST (another Howard policy) on homebuyers:



http://www.firsthome.gov.au/



Intrest free loans from the Government is one option. Of course, this wont happen becuase 'Banks'.

From a bigger economic picture we dont want more home ownership. Rental properties are a major driver of wealth for mum and dad investors who go the bricks and mortar route.

All we ever talk about in a Capitalist society is about growth, as if it will always continue. It won't and yet we continue to live in the roller coaster boom & bust cycle. Corporations getting bigger and bigger. The rich owning more and more. Here is how I would fix it.

1: Get rid of Family Trusts-biggest tax dodge ever invented
2: No individual may have more than 1 billion dollars in assets. Once they reach that mark they are taxed at 150%.
3: No Corporation can exceed 100 billion dollars in assets and 200 billion in market capitalization. Once they do, a Company tax rate of 150% applies. If 10% any Corporation's subsidiaries lose money (write off) their Corporate Tax rate increases to 150%.
4: Corporate take overs will be permitted as long as the Corporation taking over does not surpass the $100 billion dollars in assets and/or 200 billion in market capitalization threshold.

Yep the stock markets will take a battering for a while, and gold will go through the roof, but it would open up the market to smaller firms and increase competition, which is something we desperately need in Australia.

 

[The Edukator]

Do some research senor 'unedukated'.

The old take no responsibility for your actions and blame someone else trick eh.


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[quotemokc]

All we ever talk about in a Capitalist society is about growth, as if it will always continue. It won't and yet we continue to live in the roller coaster boom & bust cycle. Corporations getting bigger and bigger. The rich owning more and more. Here is how I would fix it.

1: Get rid of Family Trusts-biggest tax dodge ever invented
2: No individual may have more than 1 billion dollars in assets. Once they reach that mark they are taxed at 150%.
3: No Corporation can exceed 100 billion dollars in assets and 200 billion in market capitalization. Once they do, a Company tax rate of 150% applies. If 10% any Corporation's subsidiaries lose money (write off) their Corporate Tax rate increases to 150%.
4: Corporate take overs will be permitted as long as the Corporation taking over does not surpass the $100 billion dollars in assets and/or 200 billion in market capitalization threshold.

Yep the stock markets will take a battering for a while, and gold will go through the roof, but it would open up the market to smaller firms and increase competition, which is something we desperately need in Australia.

So how much gold do you have buried in your backyard?

 

[Messenger]

All we ever talk about in a Capitalist society is about growth, as if it will always continue. It won't and yet we continue to live in the roller coaster boom & bust cycle. Corporations getting bigger and bigger. The rich owning more and more. Here is how I would fix it.

1: Get rid of Family Trusts-biggest tax dodge ever invented
2: No individual may have more than 1 billion dollars in assets. Once they reach that mark they are taxed at 150%.
3: No Corporation can exceed 100 billion dollars in assets and 200 billion in market capitalization. Once they do, a Company tax rate of 150% applies. If 10% any Corporation's subsidiaries lose money (write off) their Corporate Tax rate increases to 150%.
4: Corporate take overs will be permitted as long as the Corporation taking over does not surpass the $100 billion dollars in assets and/or 200 billion in market capitalization threshold.

Yep the stock markets will take a battering for a while, and gold will go through the roof, but it would open up the market to smaller firms and increase competition, which is something we desperately need in Australia.

You could blow past the asset rules by splitting a large firm into a number of smaller firms and using transfer pricing to move revenue. Wouldn't achieve a thing.

 

[adammania9]

 

[Moody Blue]

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Read the Bible. Should all Christians follow what is written in the Bible? Not every Muslim believes in what you are portraying. There are peanuts out there, like there was when the Catholics and Protestants fought their pitched battles in Northern Ireland for over 30 years. That scab has still not healed. The Americans and their allies got involved in the Middle East and f***** it up. Not surprisingly the victims are not to fond of the West for all the misery they have brought upon them. Blame Islam for everything, but which country created ISIS? The Russians have learned nothing from watching the Americans and now they are stumbling around pretending they know what they are doing. For a country which is surrounded by a lot of countries that end with 'stan' you would think they would be more cautious. Now these evil Muslims kill innocent people because they hate our system, but the media and our politicians fail to ask who created these monsters? Without doubt, George W Bush along with the puppet master Cheney will go down as one of the biggest mass murderers in human history. To make matters worst, these psychopaths in ISIS are now returning to their former homes in the West and will inflict misery and genocide for years. Thanks Goerge W Bush, you moron.

 

[little graham]

Sir Winston Churchill got it right in his 1899 book "The River War," in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

Did you know Churchill detonated nuclear bombs on aboriginals and then studied the effects, but never treated them? did you know about Churchill concentration camps in Kenya?

Don't think you did quoting that bullshit.

When I was living in Kuwait the Twin Towers fell. When I went outside there were car horns tooting, guns fired in celebration and candy handed out in the streets.This from those saved by the Allies from the Iraqis. I was deeply shaken (as I had lived with these folk for many years) and then disgusted, and then just a cold disdain developed. From that day on I realized we were at war with fundamentalist Islam.

This is more shit your dribbling.

It wasnt muslims who brought those towers down.

 

[ep2018]

We may have super strict immigration and asylum seeker policy but boy does it work.

You'll never see this shit in Australia.

 

[Procrastinator35]

We may have super strict immigration and asylum seeker policy but boy does it work.

You'll never see this shit in Australia.

The tyranny of distance is the biggest gate-keeper we have....It's that simple.

 

[hamohawk1]

One thing i find weird about the attack today is (maybe they just haven't announced it) why not arm the truck with a bomb/s so after it has gone through the crowd it can do maximum damage. Tragic circumstances though

 

[Procrastinator35]

One thing i find weird about the attack today is (maybe they just haven't announced it) why not arm the truck with a bomb/s so after it has gone through the crowd it can do maximum damage. Tragic circumstances though

No blood anywhere on the truck either, or any sign of dead/mangled bodies....Another production brought to you by Mossad.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

There are peanuts out there, like there was when the Catholics and Protestants fought their pitched battles in Northern Ireland for over 30 years. That scab has still not healed...

The conflict in Northern Ireland was caused by U.K military occupation, whose forces used to lord it over the whole of Ireland until they were ejected from the south in the 1920's. There is a veneer of sectarianism that covers the Nationalist/Republican vs Crown Loyalist sides, but to call it an overtly religious conflict would be an error.

 

[Watchyourwaite]

 

[Total Power]

https://www.rt.com/news/370948-berlin-attacker-pakistani-refugee/

The man who rammed a 7-ton truck into a crowded Christmas market in the heart of Berlin, killing 12 people and injuring 48, has been identified by German media as a 23-year-old refugee of Pakistani origin who arrived in the country via the ‘Balkan route’.

 

[Procrastinator35]

LOL....That's a ripper.

 

[deltablues]

Did you know Churchill detonated nuclear bombs on aboriginals and then studied the effects, but never treated them? did you know about Churchill concentration camps in Kenya?

Don't think you did quoting that bullshit.


This is more shit your dribbling.

It wasnt muslims who brought those towers down.

It's one thing being ignorant, but I admire your courage for being brave enough to put it on public display for all to see.

PS Congratulations on your grasp of some of the more sophisticated scatological terminology.

 

[Procrastinator35]

It's one thing being ignorant, but I admire your courage for being brave enough to put it on public display for all to see.

PS Congratulations on your grasp of some of the more sophisticated scatological terminology.

lg may be belligerent at times....But his facts here are spot on.