2017 Non Crows AFL Discussion Thread

[DD#23]

Harsher penalties and truth in sentencing for a start may actually
deter some of those thinking they might get away with this kind of anti social dangerous behaviour because their dad left their mum when they were 5.

its an idea.

personally I don't think the thought of penalties would have even crossed this guy's mind for a second before he drove his car up the mall, and even if he was 100% certain he'd be put to death for it it wouldn't have stopped him.

 

[Pdub]

its an idea.

personally I don't think the thought of penalties would have even crossed this guy's mind for a second before he drove his car up the mall, and even if he was 100% certain he'd be put to death for it it wouldn't have stopped him.

He believed it was the end of the world, driving a car through a crowd was like a bucket list item for him. There are no punishments that could have made him think twice. He's an extreme homophobe so a lifetime of unwanted gay prison sex after He realises the world isn't ending will be a good punishment for him.

 

[subaru]

its an idea.

personally I don't think the thought of penalties would have even crossed this guy's mind for a second before he drove his car up the mall, and even if he was 100% certain he'd be put to death for it it wouldn't have stopped him.

Are you saying he had no idea at the time that driving a car like that through pedestrians was not going to hurt and kill people ?

I personally don't care what his excuse is. I don't care what he "thought ".
I don't want to hear it.
I want him in jail and not segregated from the "population" for what the result of his actions were.
And yes - that'd be justice.

 

[DD#23]

Are you saying he had no idea at the time that driving a car like that through pedestrians was not going to hurt and kill people ?

I personally don't care what his excuse is. I don't care what he "thought ".
I don't want to hear it.
I want him in jail and not segregated from the "population" for what the result of his actions were.
And yes - that'd be justice.

no, I'm not saying anything of the sort, again, can you read? THERE IS NO EXCUSING WHAT HE DID ffs.

Victoria Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton said the driver had no links to terrorism but was well-known to police and had an extensive history of family violence.

“He has come to our attention on many occasions in the past,” Mr Ashton said.

“That is mainly linked to drug issues and mental health problems.

“He also came into our attention in recent days in relation to assaults and was charged by us last weekend.”

He was reportedly on bail after being charged with family violence offences last weeked.

so when the families go to the police and ask them why this guy was on the streets what will their excuse be?

 

[subaru]

no, I'm not saying anything of the sort, again, can you read? THERE IS NO EXCUSING WHAT HE DID ffs.


so when the families go to the police and ask them why this guy was on the streets what will their excuse be?

And I'm NOT SAYING YOU ARE !

I don't want to hear ANY excuse.
I want them to simply say they made a huge mistake and that they also are respnsible for what happened.

If I was one of the family - no excuse would be acceptable.

Responsibility and assurances that it won't happen again is all you could hope for.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Harsher penalties and truth in sentencing for a start may actually
deter some of those thinking they might get away with this kind of anti social dangerous behaviour because their dad left their mum when they were 5.

Unfortunately for that plan current research pretty much points away entirely from the idea that penalties act as a deterrent for violent crime. Punishment is merely one factor that contributes to the sentencing practices in our courts and the reality is harsher punishments likely do more to hurt the community than they actually help prevent crime. It is all well and good (it isn't really) to get emotional and bay for blood when some isolated act of violence occurs, but that probably serves no real good for anyone. The fact is, contrary to a lot of people's thinking this is currently the least violent, safest (at the very least for states in the Global North) point in human history, things aren't getting more dangerous, they are getting less dangerous, the perception otherwise is a bias caused by an emphasis on reporting violent acts.

 

[BRL121]

What mental illness possibly excuses that behaviour?
None

And if I hear anyone say he had a bad upbringing blah blah I may just hit them!

The judge that gave him bail should also be held responsible.

I'm over these self indulgent dangerous idiots putting innocent people at risk.

If this evil freak managed to drive a car he knew what he was doing.

**** him.

I agree completely with all your posts, but I think you missed 1970's devil's-advocate sarcasm!

 

[BRL121]

You can't stop all the bad stuff, sometimes it does just happen.

As far as the 'build more jails' goes... Very simplistic and not very well thought out imo - do you think that would make everyone safer?

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It would make them safer from those jailed!

 

[subaru]

You can't stop all the bad stuff, sometimes it does just happen.

As far as the 'build more jails' goes... Very simplistic and not very well thought out imo - do you think that would make everyone safer?

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Yes.

 

[1970crow]

What the **** does this post mean?

Are you using a moment of real tragedy to make some kind of pissant political point?

Pathetic.

I'd expect that of a shit bloke like Leyonhjelm, but thought better of normal people on this board.

What do you mean by, "political point".

 

[1970crow]

What the **** does this post mean?

Are you using a moment of real tragedy to make some kind of pissant political point?

Pathetic.

I'd expect that of a shit bloke like Leyonhjelm, but thought better of normal people on this board.

Plus, you dimwit, you liked a post stating that they didn't want the bloke to be a Crows supporter. How about you pull your idiotic head in.

 

[footy4ever]

Unfortunately for that plan current research pretty much points away entirely from the idea that penalties act as a deterrent for violent crime. Punishment is merely one factor that contributes to the sentencing practices in our courts and the reality is harsher punishments likely do more to hurt the community than they actually help prevent crime. It is all well and good (it isn't really) to get emotional and bay for blood when some isolated act of violence occurs, but that probably serves no real good for anyone. The fact is, contrary to a lot of people's thinking this is currently the least violent, safest (at the very least for states in the Global North) point in human history, things aren't getting more dangerous, they are getting less dangerous, the perception otherwise is a bias caused by an emphasis on reporting violent acts.

Agree with everything you say but can debate the bolded. If the punishment in the first place was harsh enough, this *@#$er would have been in jail and unable to carry out what he did. Who knows how things would have gone if he had to serve time for his violent past? One thing we do know is what happened when his past had gone basically unpunished, and this didn't end well for anybody.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

so when the families go to the police and ask them why this guy was on the streets what will their excuse be?

Their answer will be that there are countless thousands like him

Can't lock everyone up

Government should do more for mental health... sure, but what a bottomless pit that would be. No amount of money or resources will ever be enough.

 

[Don Muraco]

Lock away the criminally insane instead of of going softly softly and arranging bail. Surely with all the genius mental health people we have available, something can be done. When people have a history of violence , our systems can react quickly to save the general public. (or we are heading down a road where we are ****ed)

 

[GreyCrow]

The problem isn't the mental health on its own its the supervision , or lack of , for taking the medication.

''Take your pill johnny''
'' but I'm feeling good today really I don't need it'
''but if you don't you will have an episode''
''I am fine I don't need it''
'' we talked about this you need to be taking these everyday''
'' I TOLD YOU I DONT NEED NO FRIGGING MEDICINE I AM FINE OK''

 

[Don Muraco]

Maybe "Escape from New York" is the future after all.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The problem isn't the mental health on its own its the supervision , or lack of , for taking the medication.

''Take your pill johnny''
'' but I'm feeling good today really I don't need it'
''but if you don't you will have an episode''
''I am fine I don't need it''
'' we talked about this you need to be taking these everyday''
'' I TOLD YOU I DONT NEED NO FRIGGING MEDICINE I AM FINE OK''

Need to tackle mental health by reducing reliance on drugs & more preventative lifestyle measures.

The Iceland article in the Backyard is a good example that we need to get smarter about addressing problems.

 

[GreyCrow]

The Iceland article in the Backyard is a good example that we need to get smarter about addressing problems.

In the politics thread?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

In the politics thread?

Think so

Edit - page 100, post 2489.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

In the politics thread?

Not sure if you read my edited post - page 100 amongst all the Trump guff.

 

[mistylake]

He believed it was the end of the world, driving a car through a crowd was like a bucket list item for him. There are no punishments that could have made him think twice. He's an extreme homophobe so a lifetime of unwanted gay prison sex after He realises the world isn't ending will be a good punishment for him.

I've got a feeling this nutter might be cooling his heels with Cye Walsh or in the Victorian version for a long, long time.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I've got a feeling this nutter might be cooling his heels with Cye Walsh or in the Victorian version for a long, long time.

Imo, he may end up in a normal jail.

 

[GreyCrow]

Need to tackle mental health by reducing reliance on drugs & more preventative lifestyle measures.

The Iceland article in the Backyard is a good example that we need to get smarter about addressing problems.

Thank you.

It was interesting as it had real significant focus for me. On the addiction side as well as the life-skills training component. I have talked previously on the improvement of thoughts and self esteem which I was masking through addictions. I think its a great idea for our youths and parents as well.

As to whether this will prevent the more significant mental health issues that will need psychotropic medication I cant say. I still think there will be a place for patients to receive medication and while they are manageable then the responsibility falls upon them to continue to do so, otherwise facilities will need to be built.

Thank you for the link and DD#23 for finding the article

 

[mistylake]

You can't stop all the bad stuff, sometimes it does just happen.

As far as the 'build more jails' goes... Very simplistic and not very well thought out imo - do you think that would make everyone safer?

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They've tried that method in the US.
I'm not sure it's any better or safer
There.

 

[mistylake]

This almost feels like a copycat act of the recent truck attacks in France and Germany. Although not a extremist terrorist act, it's a familiar MO.
They were able to stop people with crazy intentions getting into plane cockpits, now how do you stop psychopaths from deadly driving of vehicles every adult has access to one. I think it's going to become a more common method of terror.