Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[Nice n Crispy]

It's actually not healthy to train like that.. what does training extra hard mean.. when you should be training extra hard in the first place.

You're still dealing with a moronic coach.

I agree- my current injuries probably are a result of overload, so I've had to tone it down somewhat. Also agree that you can't reach your potential without a good coach. I just hope that, whatever happens, when the inevitable search for a new coach takes place, I hope that Collingwood do their due diligence so this situation doesn't repeat itself.

Last I heard (and correct me if I'm wrong) we are the only team in the AFL era to have never held a interviewing process for a head coaching job- coaches have mostly come from inside the club and I think that needs to change.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Begging your pardon but you are insane saintly. The writing is on the wall. The club needs a new direction in the coaches box and perhaps even at management level. It's as clear as day. Every aspect has gone off like a rotten egg. We have a half decent list that needs professional help fro someone outside of the club.

How it will all pan out is the biggest mystery of all.

Could go on forever.. who the f knows.

I'd like to see a few go and in quick time.. but I doubt it. Over a coupla yrs.. yes.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Begging your pardon but you are insane saintly. The writing is on the wall. The club needs a new direction in the coaches box and perhaps even at management level. It's as clear as day. Every aspect has gone off like a rotten egg. We have a half decent list that needs professional help fro someone outside of the club.

Thanks for calling me insane

 

[sr36]

Maggie
Every club when they lose have supporters who bag everything.
Some love it when we lose.
Some genuinely are just frustrated.
But whatever, it's just social media and as strong as some are on here it may not remotely correlate to what the real decision makers (ie Ed) really are going to do.

Personally I think Ed's time is done, but if he's there I still want us to succeed.

And I'm with you, I'd sign Nathan for another two years (ducks proudly) we finish what we started.

Oh, and if nothing else, the melts on here would be something else.

I reckon we've already done that. Bucks is an all time great of this club and I understand your desire for Bucks to not go down as a failed coach, but do we really need to tarnish the reputation of our current players in order to attempt to save the reputation of one former great player. I reckon your attitude has a touch of the StandByHird mentality.

 

[Maggie5]

Look at the attacks on Sidebottom.

I for one have never bagged the bloke.

A lot of his mishaps out there are coach related. Look at Adams game yesterday.. he'd get the ball and just looked shocked and disorientated when making a decision.

This all has to do with where the chess pieces are on the pitch.. they're all over the shop.

Clearly not a players wrong doing.. being instructed to run in ridiculous spots makes players look 2nd rate when trying to hit a target or set uo the play.

Buckley's signature all over this mob. If Buckley is moving the Queen on the chess board.. the king.. the soldiers in ridiculous spots.. how on earth are they going to dispose of the football.. They're out! Next game.. same shit again.. it's been going on for too long.

I remember certain positional moves that i still scratch my head about today. I think it was the game after Rich where Macaf tore Cotch to shreds. We fly up to freo.. then i see Macaf lining up on Walters in the 50.. Walters destroyed him. I mean what the hell was that.

It just goes on and on and on.

Sorry, you are picking out the wrong players to highlight.
If I truly posted my thoughts on certain well liked players on our forums, I would spend all day replying.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I reckon we've already done that. Bucks is an all time great of this club and I understand your desire for Bucks to not go down as a failed coach, but do we really need to tarnish the reputation of our current players in order to attempt to save the reputation of one former great player. I reckon your attitude has a touch of the StandByHird mentality.

Is that so?

Not remotely close.

the fact Nathan was a great player is meh to me, means so little.

For what it's worth the hird conduct enshrining injections and lack of taking his own responsibility was horrendous.

I'd boot anyone forever if they pulled that stunt at Collingwood.

 

[10571z]

If Bevridge/Roos/Clarkson ect took over the pies in 2012 would we be going this poorly? No chance. Why accept this crap. Coaching is a results based job and we are going backwards yearly. Enough is enough.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

If Bevridge/Roos/Clarkson ect took over the pies in 2012 would we be going this poorly? No chance. Why accept this crap. Coaching is a results based job and we are going backwards yearly. Enough is enough.

If they did
We'd likely be baying for their blood too.

Any club doesn't win, they get turned on, whether criticism is fair or unfair
That's what happens.... they get pounded upon

 

[10571z]

If they did
We'd likely be baying for their blood too.

Any club doesn't win, they get turned on, whether criticism is fair or unfair
That's what happens.... they get pounded upon

Any other coach but a favourite son would have been gone years ago.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Any other coach but a favourite son would have been gone years ago.

Perhaps so
Can't argue with that.
Lucky Geelong stuck with Thompson

 

[10571z]

Perhaps so
Can't argue with that.
Lucky Geelong stuck with Thompson

11th in 1999 to 5th in 2000 back in the top 4 by 2004. Obviously the bloke could coach. Buckley hasn't done anything to prove that to any collingwood fan

 

[Mongo Ming]

90% of the time they stop is due to having no pie players in our forward half.

We flood both ends of the ground.

We press high when we are in attack and then our fwd line comes too far into the defensive half when the opposition get the ball, leaving no options for a fast break. We also have no player capable of regularly marking the bail out kick into the f50.

Then when we chip it around and we send all our players into the forward 50...just to make sure we really clog it up and make our forwards really earn them kicks...

The collingwood game plan is like a 180m version of Basketball offence and defence no wonder we fade out of games. The entire team is expected to move up and down the field at pace...

Bucks has turned into (2016 era) Ross Lyon. Playing a purely defensive gameplan so we don't get flogged to prolong his career.

And just like Ross, our team isn't scoring cos it's too busy running out of gas defending and flushing everyone out of our fw50.

We couldn't even get the ball anywhere within cooee of our fwd50 in that whole 3rd quarter.

Seriously when was the last time we gave a team a bath? Even when we win it's by a pissy margin. It's beyond frustrating.

I never miss a game but I'm starting to think I need a vacation from this rubbish until something fundamentally changes.

 

[HFF]

If Bevridge/Roos/Clarkson ect took over the pies in 2012 would we be going this poorly? No chance. Why accept this crap. Coaching is a results based job and we are going backwards yearly. Enough is enough.

Results is one thing but performances is another.
Winning is fine but if you are falling over the line grinding every result then it gives you a false sense of hope/security like our win vs Sydney.

I want performances to go with any result.

 

[Captain Embubry]

What Buckley is doing with the gameplan is nothing groundbreaking. Its rare these days for a coach to buck the trend, and his gameplan is very much one of the ones that is trending at he moment. This gameplan can win games, but it needs to suit the players. It needs patience, sharp accurate footskills, a willingness to run hard both ways and tackle all day, and the confidence to pull the trigger on risky kicks at times to break the game open.

We currently do no have the tools to execute this gameplan, basically it is not for us. Thats fine, but what is not fine is persisting with it week in and week out, year in and year out and expecting it to change....whats the definition of stupidity again?

What a good coach should be doing is looking at the strengths of the list and basing the gameplan around those strengths, i feel like the gameplan we are playing does nothing to highlight our strengths, but is trying to force us to improve our weaknesses? Either way it is clearly not working and hasn't been for a long time.

It has never been more glaringly obvious than now that the gameplan doesn't suit our players. Lets see if Bucks realises this and has the balls to change it while he still has a job. For me, what he does from here will show just how good (or bad) a coach he actually is.

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[Garlic muncher]

I agree- my current injuries probably are a result of overload, so I've had to tone it down somewhat. Also agree that you can't reach your potential without a good coach. I just hope that, whatever happens, when the inevitable search for a new coach takes place, I hope that Collingwood do their due diligence so this situation doesn't repeat itself.

Last I heard (and correct me if I'm wrong) we are the only team in the AFL era to have never held a interviewing process for a head coaching job- coaches have mostly come from inside the club and I think that needs to change.

From memory and I stand corrected the first coach collingwood had that did not play for the club was John Cahill who was s Port Adelaide legend and we are talking 1980's here.

That was not long ago and there was a huge hullabaloo about it.

Collingwood unfortunately had been quite inward looking for many years, Eddie changed all that, but alas has fallen into old Collingwood habits.

**edit - it was Tommy Hafey, Cahill was the first from outside Victoria

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

What Buckley is doing with the gameplan is nothing groundbreaking. Its rare these days for a coach to buck the trend, and his gameplan is very much one of the ones that is trending at he moment. This gameplan can win games, but it needs to suit the players. It needs patience, sharp accurate footskills, a willingness to run hard both ways and tackle all day, and the confidence to pull the trigger on risky kicks at times to break the game open.

We currently do no have the tools to execute this gameplan, basically it is not for us. Thats fine, but what is not fine is persisting with it week in and week out, year in and year out and expecting it to change....whats the definition of stupidity again?

What a good coach should be doing is looking at the strengths of the list and basing the gameplan around those strengths, i feel like the gameplan we are playing does nothing to highlight our strengths, but is trying to force us to improve our weaknesses? Either way it is clearly not working and hasn't been for a long time.

It has never been more glaringly obvious than now that the gameplan doesn't suit our players. Lets see if Bucks realises this and has the balls to change it while he still has a job. For me, what he does from here will show just how good (or bad) a coach he actually is.

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Agreed on this. Just caught the presser though and if I was confused before ,now I am really confused. Bucks seemed to be saying that the last 10 mins was finally the sort of transition game he has been wanting. So all the fluffing around before that was the players doing their own thing? I am a Bucks supporter but like many I am wavering.

The above suggests that Bucks is either being economical with the truth or the players are not following instructions. Either is concerning.

It is good to hear that he is at least noticing the obvious.........the lack of connection between our mids and forwards and the psychological effects of dominating and not scoring. To that I would add the bulk of opposition opportunities coming from our poor disposal.....totally confidence sapping.

 

[jscan]

I can't believe anyone would say "Lets back Bucks" after yesterdays game combined with the last 3 painful years or so.

I mean we barely won last week. Yesterday looked like we had given up half way through the game, and very much was a repeat on the past years half effort performance, stupid decisions and poor ball use.

This guy Buckley can no longer masquerade as a coach, I hope he is shown the door at the end of the year along with his best mate Eddie.

 

[TradeDraft]

Grant Thomas is Harsh but there is Truth in what he is Saying

 

[BringouttheGimp]

If they did
We'd likely be baying for their blood too.

Any club doesn't win, they get turned on, whether criticism is fair or unfair
That's what happens.... they get pounded upon

I seriously doubt that they'd be playing like a bunch of idiots.. you must be kidding me Saintly

 

[L e x]

Grant Thomas is Harsh but there is Truth in what he is Saying

I think Thomas' comments are spot on. Both Buckley and Harvey, and you can probably throw Burns into that mix also were evidently self- driven, quiet, 'lead-by-example' types as players and forged brilliant individual careers because of it, but they perhaps lacked that likability and/or approachability that great leaders possess, and as coaches I feel it means that ability to motivate, inspire and forge a great bond and trust with the playing group, traits that you see in a Clarkson or a Beveridge or a Malthouse, is severely wanting. Our group just seems like it is crying out for a spark.

 

[TradeDraft]

I think Thomas' comments are spot on. Both Buckley and Harvey, and you can probably throw Burns into that mix also were evidently self- driven, quiet, 'lead-by-example' types as players and forged brilliant individual careers because of it, but they perhaps lacked that likability and/or approachability that great leaders possess, and as coaches I feel it means that ability to motivate, inspire and forge a great bond and trust with the playing group, traits that you see in a Clarkson or a Beveridge or a Malthouse, is severely wanting. Our group just seems like it is crying out for a spark.

There where Rumors that Bucks was not the Best Teammate

 

[Black_White]

There where Rumors that Bucks was not the Best Teammate

That's because he demanded the same dedication and high skill level that he had.
Where has that determination gone now?

 

[L e x]

There where Rumors that Bucks was not the Best Teammate

Admittedly I read it a long time ago so I can't remember fully, but I think he said as much about himself in his book. At least from the perspective of needing to be more engaging and inclusive with his teammates. It may just be me, but from an outside perspective looking in I just don't see that closeness with his players that you see with other coaches, and the instances when you do just look forced. I honestly think Bucks would have as good a football brain as anyone and be able to read the game as well as anyone, but just can't translate those skills into being a great coach. His perfect role is akin to that which he had under Malthouse, providing said intellect to a great teacher and motivator.

 

[Hong Kong Pie]

I was thinking we should have switched someone like Goldsack forward to defend Roberton at half time. He was having too big an impact. We didn't and he carried on racking up the possessions. Buckley doesn't seem to like making those snap positional moves mid game.

Yep, this seems to be a very clear aspect of Bucks' coaching career so far; he and his assistants so often seem to be out-coached on game days, because he seems reluctant to make changes to the original game plan. Malthouse on the other hand made small changes very frequently on game day, always ready to adjust things as he saw fit at the time.

 

[jmac70]

Grant Thomas is a slug.