Unofficial Preview Changes vs GWS (team in OP; Wells, Blair, Aish and Schade in; Treloar, Broomy, Ramsay and Cox out)

[jackcass]

Indeed.

When Blair was running alongside our 2010 guns he was a valuable foot-soldier; he had a well defined role that allowed him to perform within his limitations.

Our requirements today have changed and we need more from him, which he is unable to provide at the AFL level (not for lack of desire).

I do find it interesting that we now require more of Blair while allowing that the other 21 collectively have clearly dropped below that 2010-11 standard. Doesn't this make him the scapegoat of declining standards across the entire squad?

 

[jackcass]

That's not always the case. Croall got many best on grounds in the magoos during the 90s but played most of his career in the VFL.

I respect your point about rewarding performance and I appreciate that Broomy didn't do enough to hold onto his spot.

Those were the days. Sadly, we had any number of really good reserves grade players who were never quite able to take the next step.

 

[jathanas]

I do find it interesting that we now require more of Blair while allowing that the other 21 collectively have clearly dropped below that 2010-11 standard. Doesn't this make him the scapegoat of declining standards across the entire squad?

Good question. It's normal that as more 19yo are introduced to the squad that the 25+ yo players should produce increased output. But yes, our collective awesomeness has decreased to worrying levels if we're relying on Blair to fill serious voids.

 

[loki04]

I think the club has already signified it is prepared to move on (1 year deal, less certainty on selection), but at some stage the guys who have been given the senior opportunity in his stead need to start performing. At a minimum, we need mediocre (if that is what you believe Blair brings to the team) from them to at least match Blair's contribution.

K, H, D, M,Ho, FF, FA,T, G, B
1 10 11 1 0 0 0 2 0 1
5 9 14 5 0 0 0 2 1 0
5 9 14 2 0 1 0 6 0 1

6 10 16 2 0 1 1 3 1 0
1 8 9 1 0 0 0 4 0 0
6 9 15 3 0 1 1 4 0 2


Broomhead vs Blair basic stats for last 3 games. Not a lot of difference there.

 

[jackcass]

So you ignore yourself then.



Except Blair DID NOT string together quality games. He also has been inconsistent.

The issue with Broomhead and others who get games is there will be inconsistencies (even given his age) due to lack of AFL games played/experience. He is a novice at AFL level.
On top of this Scharenberg was much better then Blair and yet he is still rotting, ok so its not like for like but it does not have to be if Buckley shuffles the deck chairs.

Then there is the Daicos debate would do no worse then Blair. Except the disposals he does have will have more hurt factor, be cleaner and add to his experience needed to become a quality AFL player.
Daicos has proven with every rise in level to be able to step up to the plate, I have no doubt he would be able to come up and play a role while gaining invaluable AFL experience to set him up in the future.

You don't invest a few games and then say ah that was shit see ya buddy, then default back to player who is OFTEN shit and often given carte blanch on his spot in the best 22.

Broomy has played 6 of our 7 games YTD. Can't say he hasn't been given opportunity. I wouldn't have dropped him but can completely understand why. He seriously needs to go back to the VFL and find some footy.

I won't get into the Daicos debate because I've seen so little of him live but happy to go with his old man's assessment that he not quite ready.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

So you ignore yourself then.



Except Blair DID NOT string together quality games. He also has been inconsistent.

The issue with Broomhead and others who get games is there will be inconsistencies (even given his age) due to lack of AFL games played/experience. He is a novice at AFL level.
On top of this Scharenberg was much better then Blair and yet he is still rotting, ok so its not like for like but it does not have to be if Buckley shuffles the deck chairs.

Then there is the Daicos debate would do no worse then Blair. Except the disposals he does have will have more hurt factor, be cleaner and add to his experience needed to become a quality AFL player.
Daicos has proven with every rise in level to be able to step up to the plate, I have no doubt he would be able to come up and play a role while gaining invaluable AFL experience to set him up in the future.

You don't invest a few games and then say ah that was shit see ya buddy, then default back to player who is OFTEN shit and often given carte blanch on his spot in the best 22.

Fair enough, I think you under estimate Blairs VFL form (last two weeks bog) and underestimate the opportunites Broomy has had this year (played every game except round one so far with limited output)

Broomhead has had 14 kicks 9 marks 12 tackles and 1 goal in the past four weeks. IN TOTAL. And last week was worse than that average. Time to go back to the twos.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

K, H, D, M,Ho, FF, FA,T, G, B
1 10 11 1 0 0 0 2 0 1
5 9 14 5 0 0 0 2 1 0
5 9 14 2 0 1 0 6 0 1

6 10 16 2 0 1 1 3 1 0
1 8 9 1 0 0 0 4 0 0
6 9 15 3 0 1 1 4 0 2


Broomhead vs Blair basic stats for last 3 games. Not a lot of difference there.

Blair got dropped for those stats. Why shouldnt Broomhead also get dropped, especially when they are worse and hes been given twice as many games to get it right?

 

[Anzacday]

Hes a poor mans David Cloke then. He played 333 games, played at 3 clubs (two of them being Richmond), played in 3 Grand Finals, scored 3 3 and 3 Brownlow Medal votes in his last 3 games, and had 3 sons who wore 32 33 and 34 (what does that average) at Collingwood.

Thanks Bruce, or is that you Dennis?

 

[loki04]

Blair got dropped for those stats. Why shouldnt Broomhead also get dropped, especially when they are worse and hes been given twice as many games to get it right?

Do you think Blair is part of our future going forward in 2018?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Thanks Bruce, or is that you Dennis?

Its my favorite and only piece of football trivia

He also averaged 3 goals a half in the 1980 GF (kicked 6 but it divides by 3!!!) but I dont like to talk about that game

 

[sr36]

I just hate the same things being regurgitated by our football club at the moment that shows no signs of progress.

Of all the players we can select and we choose Jarryd Blair?
Really?
This is our solution?

Yeah, but like Broomhead, he can play the hhf role. Thus he is an ideal replacement who maintains the system and structure that has been working so well.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Do you think Blair is part of our future going forward in 2018?

What I think about that has no bearing on the Changes v GWS thread. If he stays it will likely be another one year contract but thats by the by.

 

[loki04]

What I think about that has no bearing on the Changes v GWS thread. If he stays it will likely be another one year contract but thats by the by.

It does if you want to get games into players to hasten development.

 

[MyManLynch]

K, H, D, M,Ho, FF, FA,T, G, B
1 10 11 1 0 0 0 2 0 1
5 9 14 5 0 0 0 2 1 0
5 9 14 2 0 1 0 6 0 1

6 10 16 2 0 1 1 3 1 0
1 8 9 1 0 0 0 4 0 0
6 9 15 3 0 1 1 4 0 2


Broomhead vs Blair basic stats for last 3 games. Not a lot of difference there.

I thought that was some kind of eye test...

 

[jmac70]

Remember Danny Stanley!?

I remember he wasn't very good.

 

[jmac70]

Good omen, my Collingwood board shorts arrived today. I bought them after the Geelong win. I'm not going to take them off until after the game.

 

[MyManLynch]

Good omen, my Collingwood board shorts arrived today. I bought them after the Geelong win. I'm not going to take them off until after the game.

Do they have any beer stains yet?

 

[loki04]

Blair got dropped for those stats. Why shouldnt Broomhead also get dropped, especially when they are worse and hes been given twice as many games to get it right?

Those stats are basically on par, one from a sub 30 gamer and the other from a player soon to play his 150th.

I don't have a problem with Broomhead getting dropped per'se, only that its for the player coming in to be a known poor quality and limited. Its short sighted selection.

Who will give us not much more then the inexperienced player from week to week.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

It does if you want to get games into players to hasten development.

Going around in circles now. Blairs selection on its own is not hindering anybodys development. Its likely to be one week only when Treloar returns. He will have to play a blinder to move ahead of Phillips/Smith etc and stay ahead of those in the VFL.

This week hes the right fit to replace Brromhead.

 

[loki04]

I thought that was some kind of eye test...

Didn't want to do all the work for you!


Would make a very good "spot the difference" though I must say!

 

[CFC2010]

Good omen, my Collingwood board shorts arrived today. I bought them after the Geelong win. I'm not going to take them off until after the game.

As long as that Magpie is not at your window tomorrow morning all good........let me know I might put a couple gorillas on us!

 

[Apex36]

I won't get into the Daicos debate because I've seen so little of him live but happy to go with his old man's assessment that he not quite ready.

From an article on young Nick in the HS today, Peter's exact words on Josh:

“If you’re expecting 25-30 touches he’s not ready. If you’re expect 12-15 touches and to create a couple of goals, well then yeah — he may be ready.

Sounds like the same output as Blair normally produces tbh without the creativity.

Happy to go with Peters assessment that Josh may in fact be ready

 

[loki04]

Going around in circles now. Blairs selection on its own is not hindering anybodys development. Its likely to be one week only when Treloar returns. He will have to play a blinder to move ahead of Phillips/Smith etc and stay ahead of those in the VFL.

This week hes the right fit to replace Brromhead.

He takes up 1 spot in the 22 that could be filled with someone who needs game time.

Obviously you look to your "weak links" to make room for said players, so yes, he does hinder it.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Looking forward to the name Daicos being heavily mentioned in next weeks Changes V Hawthorn thread.

 

[El cane]

Yeah, but like Broomhead, he can play the hhf role. Thus he is an ideal replacement who maintains the system and structure that has been working so well.

Blair is not a marking target and unless on the lead with a quick play on he should not be calling for the ball. His go is to be at the feet of talls ready to pounce when the ball hits the deck. That's it. Nothing else. Cut out all the I'm a FF CHF crap and just be a forward pocket rover.

That's all I ask of Blair, nothing else. Just do that.