Conspiracy Theory 9/11 - Part 2

[Thrawn]

Very much disagree.

Take for example the "pentagon missile". The people you would need to keep quiet are:
* members of the public who were driving by at the time, who saw the missile but will now need to say for the rest of their lives it was a plane. How many is that? Many reports have that at around 100 or so.
* People that planted the plane debris and other damage consistent with a plane hitting. What you reckon? 10? 20 people to do the job?
* Rescue workers who would have found missile evidence, or at the least, no plane evidence, in the rubble. There were literally thousands of people there for weeks and weeks. How many might have seen incriminating evidence?
* Of course, then there is the missing plane from American Airlines, the missing people from the planes (who's remains were found in the pentagon, which would have needed to have been planted after the fact I guess). Those people boarded a plane that day from an international airport, so that plane, if not crashing into the pentagon, went somewhere? Where? Once they were there, people would have SEEN said plane, and would have needed to be kept quiet about that fact

That'd depend on what the "cover up" actually is. If it's actually a plane that was used, then witnesses wouldn't be the wiser.

How much to keep quiet I wonder? What would it cost to keep YOU quiet, Thrawn, on the greatest conspiracy of all time? If it were me, I would make sure me and my family never had to want for anything for the rest of time. So maybe thats...$50m? $100m

There's something more important than money here; it's the life of my loved ones and I. Yeah, I'd stay pretty quiet if someone like the CIA were threatening my family.

Now i've just come into that massive amount of money. I would need to keep my accountant quiet and not question the fact that his client was working at the pentagon on 9/11, and all of a sudden is a multi millionaire for no good reason. My family and friends...they would need to be quiet too, lest they spill the means on my good fortune. Perhaps we pay them of as well.

Would you think it's hard to siphon money if you had an organisation with the connections and resources to do so? They'd set up and fabricate an entire story for it, just like what drug lords would do (well the ones who haven't been caught).

Thats just one person of course, and we are talking about potentially thousands with information that would blow the case wide open.

Potentially. Could potentially be 50-100 too. Is Jarred Waite a witness?

THen there are those that were asked to be in on the conspiracy, but had a conscience, and said no. What of those people that said, "no thanks, I dont want to be in on this, no matter how much you pay". What of them? Kill them? Pay them off to keep quiet about being asked to keep quiet?

I'm not sure it's CIA procedure to just randomly ask people to join a special-ops. There'd be a very tight screening process.

We are talking about billions of hush money, and hoping that no one blows it all on hookers and coke, then decides to cash in with an interview on Oprah. No one gets a messy divorce, and exposes their arsehole ex. No deathbed confessions.

Oprah? No one would take them seriously at all, they'd be a kook in people's eyes. That's assuming someone like Oprah would take it up in the first place.

Add in the thermite at ground zero, WTC7 getting wired up, The shanksville crash, The rescue workers finding suspicious stuff in the rubble, The reporters "knowing the story in advance", The people who had stock options ahead of time. Family members of the deceased who took fake phone calls from their loved ones. Those that MADE those dodgy phone calls...the list goes on and on and on and on.

You cant compartmentalise something like this. Too big. Too complicated.

As I said, it depends on what the "cover up" is. I'd agree that the more moving parts, the harder it is to pull off. But what if it's the case of people in the know letting it happen? Then the "thousands of people" bit looks a lot less likely. I still don't think, that even with explosives planted in the building, it would require thousands.

 

[Thrawn]

So why don't we just go back to purely evidence for a little while. Because then both sides can help each other understand their points and direction.

Rather than never understanding each other's position... because we explain nothing, detail nothing, and just claim the other 'side' is wrong.

Can't we have a little fun here? Who died and made you Werewolf?

 

[CM86]

Can't we have a little fun here? Who died and made you Werewolf?

I'm not saying you can't have fun. Just suggesting that if you want an open and honest debate, that the best option is to use facts, evidence and respect.


We need to make the CT board more fun??
But it's almost like the need for a bay 13 for bay 13...
The cuckhold or whatever it's called.

 

[Total Power]

I'm not saying you can't have fun. Just suggesting that if you want an open and honest debate, that the best option is to use facts, evidence and respect.


We need to make the CT board more fun??
But it's almost like the need for a bay 13 for bay 13...
The cuckhold or whatever it's called.

Well that will still be far more factual than the FE thread

 

[Thrawn]

But the task still has to be carried out by "people" working in the organisation. Right? Example: you had full knowledge of 9/11 being an inside job, you ask me (as your employee) to buy 1 million shares of a defense contracting company.

Yeah but I'm not sure how this translates into a mass amount of people.

Its their aircrafts. According to 9/11 conspiracy theory the plane which hit the towers was a military plane. So what happened to the UA plane? disappeared? its not a small item you know.

Which one? There's quite a few out there. The one that says the UA plane was switched with a drone? More moving parts to it, but would it jump to the realms of thousands?

Just a few examples. Shows market had full knowledge of the attacks.

If by "market", you mean the MIC, then no doubt there'd be people there who knew. I just disagree on the number.

Are we able to quantify these stock calls? How many people in total did that? And would you be able to differentiate the ones with insider knowledge and the ones who genuinely thought there'd be no terrorist attack? After doing that, what would the number of people be like?

According to CT, they were actors. If it was indeed a military plane so what happened to the original flight and the people? disappeared? earth swallowed them? remember i am talking from an inside jobber perspective, i agree with you they were real people and not actors.

Well, some conspiracy circles allude to passenger planes crashing into the towers, with the planes being remotely controlled. That'd make any cover-up a lot easier than switching with another plane, wouldn't it? If we take fancy to it though, they would have been killed at a military base. How many people would you think would be involved landing the plane, killing the passengers and using a drone? I wouldn't put it past 100.

 

[Thrawn]

I'm not saying you can't have fun. Just suggesting that if you want an open and honest debate, that the best option is to use facts, evidence and respect.


We need to make the CT board more fun??
But it's almost like the need for a bay 13 for bay 13...
The cuckhold or whatever it's called.

You are, in a way! We're just having a thought exercise, throwing hypothetical back and forth... and you're telling us to use fact and evidence for an open debate. BORRRRING.

I wouldn't call this a "debate", at least a formal one.

 

[Total Power]

Well, some conspiracy circles allude to passenger planes crashing into the towers, with the planes being remotely controlled. That'd make any cover-up a lot easier than switching with another plane, wouldn't it? If we take fancy to it though, they would have been killed at a military base. How many people would you think would be involved landing the plane, killing the passengers and using a drone? I wouldn't put it past 100.

If the planes were being remotely controlled then the pilots air traffic controllers would have full knowledge of that. That would also involve the telecom companies who probably recieived SOS calls from the pilots losing control of the planes?

But there are various conspiracies here. I was taking the line of people who claim that it was a missile which hit the towers and it was a military plane. You still got to find out about the so called 'terrorists' on board on though, who were they. What about the distress calls then? if those were 'made up' too, then they were actors.

 

[Total Power]

I have been trying to read the Adelaide board for a thursday night lulz for the past 2 hours lol stop distracting me guys

 

[CM86]

You are, in a way! We're just having a thought exercise, throwing hypothetical back and forth... and you're telling us to use fact and evidence for an open debate. BORRRRING.

I wouldn't call this a "debate", at least a formal one.

Waht?

I'm not telling you to do anything. I just suggested that the thread would be better if it was more like some previous pages, where both 'sides' were being polite and actively engaging in honest debate.
That isn't boring... that was pretty damn interesting for me.

If you just want thought exercises, go for it. But you're admitting that you don't have faith in your position, because it's merely a thought exercise, rather than a conclusion you've reached from research and understanding.

It's the conspiracy board at the end of the day. Spam meme's and random thoughts if it keeps you entertained
I'm just bored with the flat earth thread... and wouldn't mind something I can sink my teeth into.

 

[Thrawn]

If the planes were being remotely controlled then the pilots air traffic controllers would have full knowledge of that. That would also involve the telecom companies who probably recieived SOS calls from the pilots losing control of the planes?

Aha! But there were military training exercises going on at the same time. There was a lot of confusion between real from simulation. Even if there weren't, if I was an air traffic controller its flight path wouldn't even look that suspicious. Certainly conspiracy wouldn't be the first thing in my mind if I were monitoring a hijacking situation. Heat of the moment and all that. After all, lives are at stake - no time to think about if the guv'mnt is involved.

Would you need these telecom companies to scramble/block communications from the planes? What was that special white doomsday plane called again? Basically a military mobile command centre. Its name escapes me. Definitely adds to the intrigue!

But there are various conspiracies here. I was taking the line of people who claim that it was a missile which hit the towers and it was a military plane. You still got to find out about the so called 'terrorists' on board on though, who were they. What about the distress calls then? if those were 'made up' too, then they were actors.

Technically, a plane used as a weapon is a missile. But anywho, the veracity of all of them totally depends on how many moving parts there are. The more of them the less likely. As for the distress calls, forced at gunpoint or faked. Then again, you can still believe in some sort of conspiracy happened if they're genuine.

 

[Total Power]

Technically, a plane used as a weapon is a missile. But anywho, the veracity of all of them totally depends on how many moving parts there are. The more of them the less likely. As for the distress calls, forced at gunpoint or faked. Then again, you can still believe in some sort of conspiracy happened if they're genuine.

So the distress calls from the flight UA93 which crashed where people said there were terrorists onboard were fake? that would make them actors?

 

[Thrawn]

Waht?

I'm not telling you to do anything. I just suggested that the thread would be better if it was more like some previous pages, where both 'sides' were being polite and actively engaging in honest debate.
That isn't boring... that was pretty damn interesting for me.

If you just want thought exercises, go for it. But you're admitting that you don't have faith in your position, because it's merely a thought exercise, rather than a conclusion you've reached from research and understanding.

Dude, I'm being tongue-in-cheek with you for the most part. Stop being so serious and reminding me of my high school math teacher.

 

[CM86]

Dude, I'm being tongue-in-cheek with you for the most part. Stop being so serious and reminding me of my high school math teacher.

2 weeks detention.

 

[Thrawn]

So the distress calls from the flight UA93 which crashed where people said there were terrorists onboard were fake? that would make them actors?

If forced against their will at gunpoint, I wouldn't consider them actors. If the calls themselves were fabricated by another party, then they'd be the actors, the passengers are mere pawns.

All this talk of actors is giving me premonitions of Nicholas Cage starring in his own 9/11 movie.

 

[Total Power]

If forced against their will at gunpoint, I wouldn't consider them actors. If the calls themselves were fabricated by another party, then they'd be the actors, the passengers are mere pawns.

All this talk of actors is giving me premonitions of Nicholas Cage starring in his own 9/11 movie.

Acting within acting, now we are cooking a real conspiracy

 

[Thrawn]

Acting within acting, now we are cooking a real conspiracy

This conspiracy is ******* raw!

 

[Total Power]

CT'ers take note, that's how you confuse people and cook real stuff

 

[CM86]

I take it back, this is much more entertaining than the other pages!

 

[Thrawn]

They could call the movie Bees on a Plane.

 

[Nebula1971]

Still waiting. Why do we see no damage exceeding the 65 foot opening when wingspan is almost double that size.

How amazing is it that with 8,500 gallons of fuel, we have a book sitting on a stool untouched. The sheer heat would have damaged it.

Seriously, what logic can you come up with?

Dismissing this question sort of highlights that you have no logical explanation. Why? Because there isn't one.

Managed to bring this down, but couldn't even singe a book.

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[Procrastinator35]

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As Maxwell Smart would say: "The old fold-away wings while entering the tunnel trick hey."

Which should never be confused with 'The old collapsing sky-scrapers like a deck of cards trick'.....LOL.

 

[Boston tiger]

What ever conspiracy theory you guys are going with it needs to be one where the passengers in the four airliners are real and they perish.
To fake a death doesn't take much but to fake a life is near impossible.
The number of actors involve grow exponentially very quickly.
You need fake family, fake friends , fake acquaintances, fake neighbours , school mates, sporting clubs etc. It just gets crazy and only one slip up and it all comes crashing down.

This is just one airliner and only family members 10 years after the event.

"The private funeral for nearly 500 family members was held a day after the public commemoration at the crash site in Shanksville, attended by Barack Obama, to mark the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

So play this conspiracy game if you must but please no drones or missiles.

 

[Total Power]

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It has been answered earlier in the thread.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html

Yeah definitely looks like missile. Dozens of eyewitnesses, evidence of a massive kerosine explosion, many small but visible pieces of a 757 on the lawn, an almost complete body count AND those pictures, and a believable computer simulation sort of swung it for me. But again, ,must be a missile. That resembled a plane, left no debris behind , no radar recorded nothing, no one knows where it was launched from

 

[Procrastinator35]

This is just one airliner and only family members 10 years after the event.

"The private funeral for nearly 500 family members was held a day after the public commemoration at the crash site in Shanksville, attended by Barack Obama, to mark the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

So play this conspiracy game if you must but please no drones or missiles.

Um....You do realize that a symbolic ceremony like that proves nothing, YES?

Eye witnesses, including the fire chief from the town, all say there was no airplane at that crash-site.....Just a bunch of burnt-out old rubbish , dumped in a freshly excavated ditch.

The plane that supposedly crashed at the Philly site, actually landed at the Cleveland Ohio airport, as admitted to by it's own mayor on the day, due to a supposed terrorist bomb scare....All the passengers were ushered onto another plane, which then departed to LAX....That plane has been sitting in governor McCain's Arizona aeroplane mass grave-site ever-since.

Next.

 

[Total Power]

Um....You do realize that a symbolic ceremony like that proves nothing, YES?

Eye witnesses, including the fire chief from the town, all say there was no airplane at that crash-site.....Just a bunch of burnt-out old rubbish , dumped in a freshly excavated ditch.

Next.

LOL! good try.

Literally 10s of eyewitness' confirm there was a plane. More actors and govt agents i assume?

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/F77pentagon.html

Scott, Don
Don Scott, a Prince William County school bus driver living in Woodbridge, was driving eastward past the Pentagon on his way to an appointment at Walter Reed Army Medical Center: "I had just passed the Pentagon and was near the Macy's store in Crystal City when I noticed a plane making a sharp turn from north of the Pentagon. I had to look back at the road and then back to the plane as it sort of leveled off. I looked back at the road, and when I turned to look again, I felt and heard a terrible explosion. I looked back and saw flames shooting up and smoke starting to climb into the sky.

Patterson, Steve
Steve Patterson, who lives in Pentagon City, said it appeared to him that a commuter jet swooped over Arlington National Cemetery and headed for the Pentagon "at a frightening rate . . . just slicing into that building." . .

Milburn, Kirk
"I was right underneath the plane," said Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for Atlantis Co., who was on the Arlington National Cemetery exit of Interstate 395 when he said he saw the plane heading for the Pentagon. "I heard a plane. I saw it. I saw debris flying. I guess it was hitting light poles," said Milburn. "It was like a WHOOOSH whoosh, then there was fire and smoke, then I heard a second explosion."

Middleton, William Sr.
The worker, William Middleton Sr., was running his street sweeper through the cemetery when he heard a harsh whistling sound overhead. Middleton looked up and spotted a commercial jet whose pilot seemed to be fighting with his own craft.
Middleton said the plane was no higher than the tops of telephone poles as it lurched toward the Pentagon. The jet accelerated in the final few hundred yards before it tore into the building.

Marra, David
David Marra, 23, an information-technology specialist, had turned . . . off an I-395 exit to the highway just west of the Pentagon when he saw an American Airlines jet swooping in, its wings wobbly, looking like it was going to slam right into the Pentagon: "It was 50 ft. off the deck when he came in. It sounded like the pilot had the throttle completely floored. The plane rolled left and then rolled right.

Literally 100s and there's more.

Serious question to you CTists. How many actors are involved in this conspiracy? 1000s? millions?

Uber FAIL