Tom Bugg - In trouble? how many weeks? - now with a poll!

[Tigersfan35]

6 weeks is definitely fair. Dirty act and I was afraid he'd get 4 weeks or less. Houli definetly didn't deserve 4 weeks so I would have been so pissed if he got the same or less than Houli

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Not arguing about the 6 weeks cause what Bugg did was stupid. But how this same tribuneral came up with 2 weeks for Houli last week and 6 weeks for Bugg this week is laughable. There is no way there is 4 weeks difference between the two incidents. Start the inquiry or just have AFL house decide the penalties for now on FFS.

 

[Dennis Trumpet]

So a left hand jab is worth 6.

What's a haymaker worth? 8-10?

 

[roscreasl98]

The last people I would go to for a correct perspective of the law.

They're feeding you bullshit mate or they are too stupid to hold their positions. Either option is feasible.

You could ask a barrister I suppose, because barristers/solicitors are very, very honest people (up there with car sales men).
And a barrister is usually a very creditable person (time to belly laugh out loud).....

 

[jack son 5]

He could've elbowed Mills back in the body like Mills had just done to him. He could've grabbed Mills by the jumper and got in his face. He could've just shoved him away. He could've done what plenty of other players do and just ignore Mills and show him he's not gonna let him get under his skin so easily.....

....but no. He turned around and punched the guys square in the jaw and knocked him out. He's not unlucky. It wasn't an accident. He chose to punch a guy in the face and knocked him out. You make a decision like that and you wear the consequences. "I didn't mean to hit him that hard" Doesn't matter. You punched a guy in the face. Enjoy your holiday. You'd be up on serious assault charges if it wasn't on the footy field. You're getting a 6 week paid vacation instead. Think yourself lucky.

Settle down, he (Bugg) is wearing the consequences and copped the six weeks as most people thought.

 

[Cousin Ben]

Not arguing about the 6 weeks cause what Bugg did was stupid. But how this same tribuneral came up with 2 weeks for Houli last week and 6 weeks for Bugg this week is laughable. There is no way there is 4 weeks difference between the two incidents. Start the inquiry or just have AFL house decide the penalties for now on FFS.

Because that rather disorientated tribunal have since been told to deal with the incident, not the glowing & misleading character references.

 

[Steven Toast]

Absolutely disgusting comment from Green. In a week where Bugg has seriously injured another player, we've seen an AFL employee king hit another player on the field, and now an ambassador for the anti coward punch program state that what Bugg did wasn't that bad and Mills has a weak chin. Pathetic.

Green has highlighted his ignorance and lack of intelligence, to which I am not surprised as he is just a glorified bogan anyway, but to come out and almost defend this is absolutely out of line. We've seen two incidents contradicting the messages of serious violence in public places in Fahour & Green.

I'll tell you this right now, there is nothing to say an incident committed on a football field wont kill someone one day. It is no different to what happens in public. It might take someone getting killed before dickheads like Fahour and Green learn that their actions and comments are legitimately dangerous.

I'd be pretty dissapointed to see Green continue in a role on TV, as obviously he doesn't believe the message he is preaching. Fahour needs to find another job as well. Both total fu***** morons.

 

[roscreasl98]

Agreed, just pointing out the onission.. My mind goes to a boxing match or any organised fight, the concept if criminal charges is a real can of worms, that would probably be the death of contact sport. Unless in exceptional circumstances.
Not completely inconcievable if community values change, but that's a bigger can of worms.

So if it opens a "can of worms" we just ignore it?
Put it in the "too hard basket"?

What if a player is king hit, lands awkwardly, and dies or is permanently disabled?
A la John Greening?

A boxer enters the ring expecting to be punched in the head, an AFL or any other level footballer doesn't.

Time to close your can of worms........

 

[masai]

Green is not "one of the greatest boxers", not even in Australian boxing.

The ads for the "one punch" campaign, will need to be pulled.

 

[Steven Toast]

Look forward to Martin Bryant's thoughts on Levi Casboult's shooting for goal

Completely irrelevant

 

[Steven Toast]

Green is not "one of the greatest boxers", not even in Australian boxing.

The ads for the "one punch" campaign, will need to be pulled.

Completely agree. Or another ambassador needs to be employed. One thing is for sure though, Green can't continue in his role.

 

[beerbandit]

One of the greatest boxers of all time has weighed in on the Bugg hit on Mills, saying there was nothing in it and that Mills was incredibly unlucky to be knocked out.

Danny Green has said that Bugg did not intend to hit Mills in the head and that the only reason Mills was knocked out was because he has a weak chin.

This has changed my opinion on the incident. Danny Green is a champion Boxer, it's his job to throw punches. He knows the force required to knock someone out, what is deliberate and what isn't. I think people should give Bugg a break, as an expert on the topic has given an opinion that sheds new light on the incident.

Article:
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/cou...s/news-story/2e646e3e2e3aeb072727f91b25f9c2b1

Who said he was one of the greatest boxers of all time??

 

[Dan]

"I'm looking forward to just working over the next six weeks to earn back respect from my club, players and everyone in the wider community."

Every idiot that ****s up says this.

Say something genuine or nothing at all.

 

[Bokonon_]

So if it opens a "can of worms" we just ignore it?
Put it in the "too hard basket"?

What if a player is king hit, lands awkwardly, and dies or is permanently disabled?
A la John Greening?

A boxer enters the ring expecting to be punched in the head, an AFL or any other level footballer doesn't.

Time to close your can of worms........

I always take what you say very seriously

 

[Scotland]

Not arguing about the 6 weeks cause what Bugg did was stupid. But how this same tribuneral came up with 2 weeks for Houli last week and 6 weeks for Bugg this week is laughable. There is no way there is 4 weeks difference between the two incidents. Start the inquiry or just have AFL house decide the penalties for now on FFS.

The tribunal were given a warning by the MRP last week so were on their best behaviour.

 

[Steven Toast]

Cue the personal attacks and calls for sacking etc for Danny Green having an opinion that goes against the PC driven message as is the way of 2017

What the **** is that mate? It's got nothing to do with his opinion, he is an ambassador for the anti 'one punch' program. He is supposed to be advocating for this behaviour to stop, not commenting that there is 'nothing in it'. That comment totally contradicts the message trying to be sent.

As far as being PC? Jesus Christ, some people will hide behind their 'rights' to get away with justification of anything.

In instances like this even if his opinion is that, he has a responsibility to shut his mouth or step down from his role.

Can't believe I am reading anything in the affirmative for Danny Green's bogan, low intellect opinion.

 

[hoianbulldog]

Might technically be true, but there's no way police press charges for an on-field incident without the player's consent, which won't happen.

Didn't they charge Leigh Matthews?

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Because that rather disorientated tribunal have since been told to deal with the incident, not the glowing & misleading character references.

The tribunal were given a warning by the MRP last week so were on their best behaviour.

Agree with both these points but the point remains, why even have a tribunal in the first place if they need to be told? Just let the AFL deal with it.

 

[roscreasl98]

I always take what you say very seriously

Sarcasm....
Anyone can do that.

However I'll take that as a compliment, because you again once fail to compile a factual debate......

 

[roscreasl98]

Didn't they charge Leigh Matthews?

Yes. He appeared in the Melbourne Magistrates Court. He got a $1000 bond, and was deregistered by the VFL for 4 weeks.

 

[StevenwellerHFC]

3 was enough.

 

[Cousin Ben]

Agree with both these points but the point remains, why even have a tribunal in the first place if they need to be told? Just let the AFL deal with it.

The tribunal has always been "independent", as far back as I can recall. If the AFL make the decisions on their own there would be even more outcry. The tribunal should have done the job they are put their to do in the first place.

Character references are fine, so they can keep the punishment down to what might be considered reasonable. But really, how many culprits are actually of "bad" character? Can't think of too many, so there's not much point entertaining all these references. Just look at his record and his level of remorse and make a decision. It's not a freaking court.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

The tribunal has always been "independent", as far back as I can recall. If the AFL make the decisions on their own there would be even more outcry. The tribunal should have done the job they are put their to do in the first place.

Character references are fine, so they can keep the punishment down to what might be considered reasonable. But really, how many culprits are actually of "bad" character? Can't think of too many, so there's not much point entertaining all these references. Just look at his record and his level of remorse and make a decision. It's not a freaking court.

But if the AFL isnt satisfied it goes to an appeal as we saw last week (and you better believe they will always win that appeal). Just cut to the chase and let the AFL/MRP decide the punishments, its a pointless exercise IMO.

Maintain an appeals board for players that feel hard done by.

 

[Wosh]

In light of everything that week it had to be 6. What an idiot.

 

[Angus Young]

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion but I think it's about time punches like hall, bugg, fahour etc are considered criminal acts and charges laid by the police like any normal person on the street would face.

Dangerous tackles and bumps can be dealt with by the game even though these could also be considered as assault, because they are simply reckless or overly aggressive applications of one of the elements of the game. However punching someone in the face has NEVER been part of the rules of the game, and so that same protection cannot be used. Particularly when you look at the hall and bugg punches, which were 50+ meters away from the ball. In a strangely perverse way, the fahour punch was the one most related to the actual game because it was during a melee rather than a random punch like hall and bugg. The argument that what happens on the field stays on the field is total crap and quite frankly is an invalid argument. Regular people don't get to go around breaking laws on the sporting field, so why should these dogs? And where do you draw the line? Those hits could easily have caused significant brain damage or death. Do the players get away with murder just because it was on the field? If players should get charged for murder then they must be charged for assault too, which could easily cause significant injury or death.

The sentence will obviously vary depending on severity, from the conca hit from behind that didn't do much to the hall hit that floored stalker, but that should be entirely up to the courts to decide, and they should be offered no protection simply because they play sports.

Anyone who disagrees should get their head out of their ass and imagine it was their son that was assaulted on the weekend. If they still don't care, then I suggest the next time they are on the sporting field they invite their opponent to punch them in the face for no reason and see how they feel about it then.

I don't hate that...

It would definitely send a clear message especially down through the amateur leagues where thugs love to assault people.