List Mgmt. Re-Signing Jake Lever

[MRB37]

Luke Brown and JJ are gone

Rory Atkins looked gone at first, but seemingly had a change of heart after 270 degrees rotation or so.

 

[Sanders]

Why is everyone so hung up on Shooter? He had one good game last week, the first in about a dozen crap games and today he had his usual crap game. 10 possessions and 3 points. He was peppering away at goal trying to up the contract offer, he never once lowered the eyes to look for a team mate. He is not a team player and he is not a Crow.


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Man, you're a bad judge

 

[BrissyCrow]

Sadly Lever is almost 100% gone IMO.

Sadly but I reckon you are correct and in the majority. I just hope we have strong plans in how we will manage the negotiations.

 

[Murray2503]

Good luck to Lever. He will be overpaid at another club and they will realise in time that one player does not win you a flag. Let alone a defender who can only play on 3rd tall defenders. Get the best deal for him end of year and let's move on to more important things. Winning the flag this year.

 

[cmndstab]

I'm still not sure I understand the "100% gone" calls, or the attacks on his character for his "certain" betrayal. I mean, sure, I get it, once bitten, twice shy, where there's smoke there's fire, etc.

But non of his actions so far are inconsistent with the possibility that his intention is to stay, but get the best deal possible in the process. And realistically, not much has changed in the last few weeks.

I'm a bit uncomfortable about demonising a player before he's actually declared he is leaving just because I'm too impatient to wait and see what happens.

For that matter, I think "he's a selfish bastard and not even that useful a player and he's going to live to regret this decision, so much for his loyalty to the club, it's enough to make me puke, oh but if he does sign I take it all back lol love you Jake!" is a pretty weak position to take... even by my own fence-sitting standards

 

[Roovolution]

I'm still not sure I understand the "100% gone" calls, or the attacks on his character for his "certain" betrayal. I mean, sure, I get it, once bitten, twice shy, where there's smoke there's fire, etc.

But non of his actions so far are inconsistent with the possibility that his intention is to stay, but get the best deal possible in the process. And realistically, not much has changed in the last few weeks.

I'm a bit uncomfortable about demonising a player before he's actually declared he is leaving just because I'm too impatient to wait and see what happens.

For that matter, I think "he's a selfish bastard and not even that useful a player and he's going to live to regret this decision, so much for his loyalty to the club, it's enough to make me puke, oh but if he does sign I take it all back lol love you Jake!" is a pretty weak position to take... even by my own fence-sitting standards

Our offer is and has been on the table for quite a while now. How long does he need to make up his mind? By not signing as yet he's making a strong statement.

 

[Sanders]

But non of his actions so far are inconsistent with the possibility that his intention is to stay, but get the best deal possible in the process.

I'm just waiting for the CBA
Need to think about what's best for me and my family
Not thinking about it at the moment
My manager is overseas

Etc

Not sure that is consistent with someone looking to stay

 

[19thcrow]

Why is everyone so hung up on Shooter? He had one good game last week, the first in about a dozen crap games and today he had his usual crap game. 10 possessions and 3 points. He was peppering away at goal trying to up the contract offer, he never once lowered the eyes to look for a team mate. He is not a team player and he is not a Crow.


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Its not about his 10 disposals. The forwardline functions better with McGovern there. McGovern adds another dimension and takes pressure off JJ and Walker. Plus he crashes packs and that benefits Betts and co. McGovern defensive side is also a great asset. If you can't see this you're not watching close enough.

 

[Captain Morgan]

When is his usual media slot, wasn't it this morning ?? I haven't heard anything.

 

[FR0GGY]

I'm just waiting for the CBA
Need to think about what's best for me and my family
Not thinking about it at the moment
My manager is overseas

Etc

Not sure that is consistent with someone looking to stay

Finals is coming up, don't want to be distracted.

 

[SydCrow]

Just pay hardball with any trade. Don't reward disloyalty. Get the best deal.

 

[Geoffa32]

Meh. If Lever goes we will be ok.

Great player and would love for him to stay but I have confidence we will cover him.

Next Man Up.

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[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Meh. If Lever goes we will be ok.

Great player and would love for him to stay but I have confidence we will cover him.

Next Man Up.

As good as he is, it's the one area of the ground we have some cover. Hartigan, Otten, Cheney, Doedee all didn't play yesterday.

 

[Golumless]

Do we really need B Gibbs to complete our midfield ?

The emergence of greenwood helping Sloane with clearances, contested work and tackling has replaced our Thompson hole.

m crouch going very close to an A grade level consistently

b crouch continuing to build and show good glimpses of what he always promised to be. LIke matt he has improved his efficiency this year.

Douglas has chipped in more this year than the last couple.

Lever was very good today. If he would take 750 is that better money spent than a 28/29 year old Gibbs ?

Yes. We are one to two blue chip midfielders away. Imagine our improvement if you converted an outside role (lets say occupied by someone named David) and switched it for Gibbs we'd be that much better it isn't funny.

We also saw how exposed our midfield got when it lost 1 of those 4 and for good reason; they are it.

Spending 750 on Lever is frankly shithouse list management as well if we do end up giving him the money. For what he plays he is very replaceable.

 

[Slippery Pete]

As good as he is, it's the one area of the ground we have some cover. Hartigan, Otten, Cheney, Doedee all didn't play yesterday.

None of them could do what Lever did last night though.

He was unbelievable last night. Unfortunately. ****ing unbelievable, in fact.

 

[Cleric]

They said on AFL nation yesterday that every good judge and people who should know are saying he is gone.
Its rare to have 100% agreement that someone is gone and they dont go this late in the season.
Odds are against us.

 

[cmndstab]

I'm just waiting for the CBA
Need to think about what's best for me and my family
Not thinking about it at the moment
My manager is overseas

Etc

Not sure that is consistent with someone looking to stay

I agree that it could easily be explained as him just looking for excuses to buy time so he doesn't have to admit to wanting to leave.

It could also be explained as him looking to maximise his next contract. Let's face it, every game he plays at the moment his value is increasing. But he can't exactly come out and say "I'm biding my time so I can draw more cash out of the club!"

It's been patently obvious for ages that, whether he signs on or leaves, he's not interested in getting a deal done until the end of the season. I'm not sure what changed between last week when it was obvious, and this week when it's obvious to suddenly make people that much more certain that he's going to leave. Were they expecting him to announce his new contract in the Showdown warmup or something?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Don't get me wrong! I would love to keep Lever. I see him as a future captain and a real star of the competition in years to come.

Having said that, one man does not make a team. We lost the best player in the competition in Dangerfield 2 years ago and we have survived, possibly gotten better (at least in terms of wins and loses). If we lose Lever, we should get a good trade and make it counts. We should also cover him reasonably well going forward.

I would be pissed if he went. Would be fuming at the club for losing yet another gun and being a "feeder club" for others to pick what they like, but the team will survive and might even get better in the process because the money that would go to Lever might be used to address a more pressing need for us.

 

[Samcro24]

I'm officially over it.

We have far bigger fish to fry. (a flag, not the mythical big fish)

Win it, drive him to airport, and all that.

 

[Jarman3]

What I just can't get my head around, especially in light of what happened yesterday, is why Port have interstate players lining up to renew their contracts and play their entire careers in that rabble, while we're dominating, playing the kind of football that you'd think every player would want to be part of every week and have a crack at a flag, and our interstate players seem to be queuing up at the exit?

Obviously circumstances aren't exactly the same - frankly they don't have as many players that would be in strong demand from other clubs. But the fact is they still have a significant number. Boak resisted overtures to return home and, along with Gray, will play out his entire career there. Wines is still young but doesn't seem to even come up in discussion about players who might leave when their contract is up. You'd think that Phil Walsh was here long enough that we would have had time to pick his brains about what they're doing better than us.

If it's purely a money issue ie other clubs are willing to pay massive, massive overs that we can't /won't get close to, that's one thing - we don't want to get sucked into that kind of bidding war. But I find it hard to believe that in this day and age, any team would go that far over a player's true worth - from a list management point of view it just doesn't seem to make sense? So either we're offering massive unders (in which case we're mismanaging our list) or the players aren't willing to take slight unders in order to have the opportunity they currently have at this club.

Not only that, but there doesn't seem to be much interest from gun players are other clubs who want to come here. Gibbs wanted to come across for family reasons, not because he could see what we've been building here and wanted to be part of it. The only one that seems even vaguely close is Rockliff, if there's anything to those rumours - I'm sure he would have the option of several Melbourne clubs, so if he chooses us then that's a tick in terms of attracting players.

There is something very wrong with our ability to attract and/or retain good players (despite offering an first-rate environment to play AFL football in terms of coaches, facilities, administration, crowd support, etc), and I cannot figure out what it is.

 

[Modra4PM]

Yes. We are one to two blue chip midfielders away. Imagine our improvement if you converted an outside role (lets say occupied by someone named David) and switched it for Gibbs we'd be that much better it isn't funny.

We also saw how exposed our midfield got when it lost 1 of those 4 and for good reason; they are it.

Spending 750 on Lever is frankly shithouse list management as well if we do end up giving him the money. For what he plays he is very replaceable.

Yes. We are one to two blue chip midfielders away. Imagine our improvement if you converted an outside role (lets say occupied by someone named David) and switched it for Gibbs we'd be that much better it isn't funny.

We also saw how exposed our midfield got when it lost 1 of those 4 and for good reason; they are it.

Spending 750 on Lever is frankly shithouse list management as well if we do end up giving him the money. For what he plays he is very replaceable.

True, Matt certainly was a lone hand in the midfield last week without Brad and with Sloane limited

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

What I just can't get my head around, especially in light of what happened yesterday, is why Port have interstate players lining up to renew their contracts and play their entire careers in that rabble, while we're dominating, playing the kind of football that you'd think every player would want to be part of every week and have a crack at a flag, and our interstate players seem to be queuing up at the exit?

Obviously circumstances aren't exactly the same - frankly they don't have as many players that would be in strong demand from other clubs. But the fact is they still have a significant number. Boak resisted overtures to return home and, along with Gray, will play out his entire career there. Wines is still young but doesn't seem to even come up in discussion about players who might leave when their contract is up. You'd think that Phil Walsh was here long enough that we would have had time to pick his brains about what they're doing better than us.

If it's purely a money issue ie other clubs are willing to pay massive, massive overs that we can't /won't get close to, that's one thing - we don't want to get sucked into that kind of bidding war. But I find it hard to believe that in this day and age, any team would go that far over a player's true worth - from a list management point of view it just doesn't seem to make sense? So either we're offering massive unders (in which case we're mismanaging our list) or the players aren't willing to take slight unders in order to have the opportunity they currently have at this club.

Not only that, but there doesn't seem to be much interest from gun players are other clubs who want to come here. Gibbs wanted to come across for family reasons, not because he could see what we've been building here and wanted to be part of it. The only one that seems even vaguely close is Rockliff, if there's anything to those rumours - I'm sure he would have the option of several Melbourne clubs, so if he chooses us then that's a tick in terms of attracting players.

There is something very wrong with our ability to attract and/or retain good players (despite offering an first-rate environment to play AFL football in terms of coaches, facilities, administration, crowd support, etc), and I cannot figure out what it is.

Port retain them because they overpay.

Why do you think they were trying to trade Hartlett 1 year into a 5 year deal? Plus they're stuck with paying Lobbe big money to play SANFL.

 

[Jarman3]

Port retain them because they overpay.

Why do you think they were trying to trade Hartlett 1 year into a 5 year deal? Plus they're stuck with paying Lobbe big money to play SANFL.

But that's what I'm getting at - they overpay the likes of Hartlett and Lobbe and are STILL able to retain the likes of Boak, Gray, Wines, etc. So presumably they're not overpaying their stars as well as their plodders?

 

[jo172]

But that's what I'm getting at - they overpay the likes of Hartlett and Lobbe and are STILL able to retain the likes of Boak, Gray, Wines, etc. So presumably they're not overpaying their stars as well as their plodders?

Port go early with long extensions, I suspect the length of extensions saves some overall $$$ but does end up clogging their list with average footballers if their development stalls

 

[Captain Morgan]

They said on AFL nation yesterday that every good judge and people who should know are saying he is gone.
Its rare to have 100% agreement that someone is gone and they dont go this late in the season.
Odds are against us.[/QUOTE

In this great Mexican stand-off, We might end up blinking.

He might also be teaching them a lesson after the 'offensive' initial offer (good on him if that is the case).

.....or am I too desperate to look for a positive outlook on a Monday ?