Recruiting Trade & Free Agency IV - hypotheticals etc. (Continued in Part V)

[Duckworth]

Picking the highest and lowest age from both ranges and trying to make a joke out of it! Lol that's bad

Add them up again.


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[WEEVZ]

We're not just putting all our eggs in the Hurley and Hooker baskets and spending money for a premiership straight away, as much as everyone would love that.

We will be trading and drafting to suit Daniher for the next 12-15 years, not the next 2-3 so hooker can see a flag. He may well anyway! That's not the age bracket John was talking about though - 23 and under if you're referring to the interview he did with destoop and Scotty Lucas.

It's why I desperately want either Lynch next year or for us to draft a key forward or two this year and next year. I wonder if Dodoro realises that other than Daniher, none of the genuine key forwards we've drafted since Lucas retired in 2009 are still at the club.

With the exceptions of Daniher and Francis, in the last 8 years or so Dodoro has had a pretty damn poor strike rate when it comes to drafting quality 18 year old talls (reserving judgement of Draper obviously because it's only his first year). Aside from those two we've only others we've really drafted are mature age guys like Hartley and Brown, and of those two I'd say Hartley is the best.

 

[Lore]

Questions are paraphrased from fan questions so wouldn't read in to them mentioning Hopper too much.

@2.55 http://www.essendonfc.com.au/video/2017-07-31/btv-the-footy-panel-ep-22-woosha-part-2

Julian de Stoop: "With Goddard and Watson nearer the end, is it priority to go and get another big bodied midfielder maybe in this off-season, you know a name like Jacob Hopper has been mentioned for example?"

John Worsfold: "I think in terms of your midfield mix yeah, you like to have some super talent constantly going through your midfield. So yes we've got a couple of midfielders that retirement is looming, so we do need to look at either another young one coming through, we've got a couple of, we've got Parish obviously coming through as a gun young mid, we've got Langford really developing well as a young big-bodied midfielder, but if we can add another A grader to come through at about the right age that we'd be looking for, you know someone that's going to be hitting their peak from this year for the next six or seven years then we'd definitely be looking at that."

 

[Duckworth]

It's why I desperately want either Lynch next year or for us to draft a key forward or two this year and next year. I wonder if Dodoro realises that other than Daniher, none of the genuine key forwards we've drafted since Lucas retired in 2009 are still at the club.

With the exceptions of Daniher and Francis, in the last 8 years or so Dodoro has had a pretty damn poor strike rate when it comes to drafting quality 18 year old talls (reserving judgement of Draper obviously because it's only his first year). Aside from those two we've only others we've really drafted are mature age guys like Hartley and Brown, and of those two I'd say Hartley is the best.

What about the talls that left? Seems a bit harsh.


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[Duckworth]

Questions are paraphrased from fan questions so wouldn't read in to them mentioning Hopper too much.

@2.55 http://www.essendonfc.com.au/video/2017-07-31/btv-the-footy-panel-ep-22-woosha-part-2

Julian de Stoop: "With Goddard and Watson nearer the end, is it priority to go and get another big bodied midfielder maybe in this off-season, you know a name like Jacob Hopper has been mentioned for example?"

John Worsfold: "I think in terms of your midfield mix yeah, you like to have some super talent constantly going through your midfield. So yes we've got a couple of midfielders that retirement is looming, so we do need to look at either another young one coming through, we've got a couple of, we've got Parish obviously coming through as a gun young mid, we've got Langford really developing well as a young big-bodied midfielder, but if we can add another A grader to come through at about the right age that we'd be looking for, you know someone that's going to be hitting their peak from this year for the next six or seven years then we'd definitely be looking at that."

Seems about right, best to get a young A grader in if you can (getting them to choose us is another story)


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[TheGrizz]

More than.

Do you think GC would be interested in any of our solid citizens in the reserves (Howlett/Bird)?

If they are/would be then I expect that it would be a Chapman/Mitchell type situation where it is a pick no one would use.

I would hope they did so as well. Especially howlett.

 

[WEEVZ]

What about the talls that left? Seems a bit harsh.


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I meant more the guys that're at the club currently that've been drafted in the last 8 years.

He's gotten better at picking talent in general since we were hit with the draft sanctions in 2013, but before that I'd say he missed more than he hit. What's caused the improvement I don't think we'll know for sure, but I think the club has definitely clamped down on him taking so many "project players" especially early in drafts. I don't think we'll see another Ariel Steinberg type selection from him again.

 

[Snake Charmer]

More than.

Do you think GC would be interested in any of our solid citizens in the reserves (Howlett/Bird)?

Hearing they are pretty keen on Andrew Swallow. He'd be pretty decent for them for a year espically if Ablett left

 

[WEEVZ]

Hearing they are pretty keen on Andrew Swallow. He'd be pretty decent for them for a year espically if Ablett left

Knowing how notoriously stubborn the Suns are, they'll probably ask for two first rounders for Ablett lol.

 

[BrunoV]

I don't see the point of getting in off cuts like Balic or Webb. We have enough "good young talent" in the VFL that haven't been able to break into the team and we seem to be doing a reasonable job of topping up that resource every year with late and rookie picks so why waste trade time and resources trying to sign more? Let's chase some clear best 22 players and start filling the holes.

It all depends on the cost. I certainly wouldn't be trading myself out of a draft for those players. If we could get another pick in the 50s I'd gladly trade a third round pick for Webb. I'd probably do it anyway.

Plenty of list spots will open up at the end of the year. At this stage there would be a minimum of seven spots (which includes a minimum of two rookies) without even having to make a tough call.

We'll lose a lot of experience out of the midfield and while I don't see the need to replace it (given what we will still have) it would be nice to have a few extra third to fifth year players who would be mature enough to have an impact.

If we could do 2 x Stewart deals for a few 22 year old mids who Dodoro liked when they were drafted I'd be all over it.


Edit: not saying that I'd base a list management strategy but this is how I'd look to get depth players.

 

[Vindicater]

Out: Watson, Stanton, Hocking, J Merret, Morgan and Howlett.

In: 4 Live picks and 2 trade-ins/free agents.

 

[Towno78]

It's why I desperately want either Lynch next year or for us to draft a key forward or two this year and next year. I wonder if Dodoro realises that other than Daniher, none of the genuine key forwards we've drafted since Lucas retired in 2009 are still at the club.

With the exceptions of Daniher and Francis, in the last 8 years or so Dodoro has had a pretty damn poor strike rate when it comes to drafting quality 18 year old talls (reserving judgement of Draper obviously because it's only his first year). Aside from those two we've only others we've really drafted are mature age guys like Hartley and Brown, and of those two I'd say Hartley is the best.

List all the young talls drafted in the last 8 years, where they were drafted, then tell me again his strike rate has been poor.

 

[Zach Package]

I guess after the resounding success of picking up players who just needed more opportunity like Skipworth, Prismall, Aylett and Edwards, I can totally see why we should keep spinning the roulette wheel on players who are probably never going to make it, but we can still dream right???

Stewart?

 

[eth-dog]

I guess after the resounding success of picking up players who just needed more opportunity like Skipworth, Prismall, Aylett and Edwards, I can totally see why we should keep spinning the roulette wheel on players who are probably never going to make it, but we can still dream right???

Josh Kennedy was a cast-off from Hawthorn

 

[Towno78]

I guess after the resounding success of picking up players who just needed more opportunity like Skipworth, Prismall, Aylett and Edwards, I can totally see why we should keep spinning the roulette wheel on players who are probably never going to make it, but we can still dream right???

Selectively leaving Stewart off your list to strengthen your argument?

 

[ghostdog]

It's why I desperately want either Lynch next year or for us to draft a key forward or two this year and next year. I wonder if Dodoro realises that other than Daniher, none of the genuine key forwards we've drafted since Lucas retired in 2009 are still at the club.

With the exceptions of Daniher and Francis, in the last 8 years or so Dodoro has had a pretty damn poor strike rate when it comes to drafting quality 18 year old talls (reserving judgement of Draper obviously because it's only his first year). Aside from those two we've only others we've really drafted are mature age guys like Hartley and Brown, and of those two I'd say Hartley is the best.

Seems a bit unfair on Gumby. Did he have a history of injuries before he was drafted?

 

[eth-dog]

Seems a bit unfair on Gumby. Did he have a history of injuries before he was drafted?

Zero.

 

[BrunoV]

It's why I desperately want either Lynch next year or for us to draft a key forward or two this year and next year. I wonder if Dodoro realises that other than Daniher, none of the genuine key forwards we've drafted since Lucas retired in 2009 are still at the club.

With the exceptions of Daniher and Francis, in the last 8 years or so Dodoro has had a pretty damn poor strike rate when it comes to drafting quality 18 year old talls (reserving judgement of Draper obviously because it's only his first year). Aside from those two we've only others we've really drafted are mature age guys like Hartley and Brown, and of those two I'd say Hartley is the best.

Hooker, Carlisle, Bellchambers, Hurley, Daniher and Ryder as 18 year olds.

Jenkins, Ambrose, Hartley and Stewart as 22 year olds.

His strike rate with talls even including Gumby and Bradley is excellent.

 

[yaco55]

I am yet to be convinced about Hopper being more than a good standard midfielder - And yet to see that he is good enough outside the contest and in transition plays - I'm more bullish about Kennedy.

 

[yaco55]

Webb is of definite interest - Seems to have a skill set that suit our needs - I am a bit disappointed that some continually refer to the performance of players in their under 18's, especially midfielders and smaller players - You generally obtain a good read on these players after two years in the system - Once you are in the AFL, then under 18 form is irrelevant.

 

[TheGrizz]

Seems a bit unfair on Gumby. Did he have a history of injuries before he was drafted?

One of the great injury tragedies of the Century I reckon

 

[citizen-erased]

One of the great injury tragedies of the Century I reckon

cracking talent.
Our spine today would be Hooker - Hurley - Heppell - Daniher - Gumbleton.

 

[TheGrizz]

cracking talent.
Our spine today would be Hooker - Hurley - Heppell - Daniher - Gumbleton.

Could have been anything. I remember when he played 17 games in a season one time and thinking we had a star on our hands.

It's no ones fault, just a shocker of an outcome.

 

[Tippa43]

Webb reported to be wanting out by Jay Clark.

 

[citizen-erased]

Could have been anything. I remember when he played 17 games in a season one time and thinking we had a star on our hands.

It's no ones fault, just a shocker of an outcome.

yep. forgotten tragedy.