List Mgmt. Weak Flog Jake Lever Requests Trade to Melbourne, Causes Player Revolt

[pirate bob]

"You get more with kind word and a gun than you do with just kind words"
Al Capone
If they don't offer fair exchange value then they have made it hostile, they are playing off of the fact that we won't do it. They have nothing to lose if we make the deal regardless. If he gives us trading options then at least we can take the best bid.

Sometimes you enter negotiations from a position of strength and sometimes you are vulnerable. There are often a slightly different set of circumstances that directly affect a trade. We had essentially no position in regard to Bock and Davis. We were in a extremely vulnerable position in regard to Tippett. The Dangerfield trade was going to happen regardless. It appears from the limited information I have that we are in a better position to negotiate if Lever chooses to go.

And as I said earlier, if he decides to go I just hope the club gets the best trade possible.

 

[GrommoT]

I don't know how much room we really had with Danger. If we let him go RFA we would of got a pick after our first round pick. If we matched and he didn't re-sign then he goes to the PSD and we lose him for nothing. Pick 8 was good. I dont think Milera is a bust yet. Dean Gore was silly, we should of gone harder at GHS or something (not that he has set the world on fire.)

Stephen Wells said HERE :

"The Crows are a great club and business is business everyone had to get on with things eventually ... and once the Crows made it clear to us that they were gonna be not satisfied with whatever the compensation would be through the free agency opportunity, we had to try and get a deal done ... we owed it to Paddy and his family, and to our players and supporters to do, to eliminate any risk of Paddy not joining our club
so to be able to do a deal with Adelaide in a very professional way, I think both clubs have come out of it ok ... we've got Paddy coming to our club which is what his desire was and the Crows have done a bit better than what they would have under free agency compensation. ...
Dean [Gore] was approached through his manager by the Crows to consider going home ... he and his manager approached us to be considered as part of that deal with Paddy ... was player that Adelaide were keen to get back to their club
...
Do you believe that Adelaide would have matched your offer to stretch things should it come to that?
We did, we were reasonably sure that they were going to be dissatisfied with that pick 14 which would have been the compensation pick, I mean they never actually told us that they wouldn't match the offer or that they would, they negotiated well, that we weren't willing to take that risk that if we did the free agency offer, we would then have to go back to the trade table, we didn't want to put Paddy through that."

I guess Crows could have perhaps pushed a bit harder and gotten Cats' 2016 first round which ended as pick 16 but we got their 2016 pick 28, which ended as pick 33.

Oh, and tried pretty hard to search for a copy of the 5AA Wells appearance where he supposedly said he was surprised Crows didn't push Geelong harder for two firsts but had no luck.

 

[Geoffa32]

Its not an empty threat if you are prepared to carry through with it

Or is the best way to handle it to bang your fist on the desk and when they say no accept what evers going so not to force them into the draft?

You carry through with it, player goes to draft and nominates salary and they end up at the club they want to be at. And we the club gets nothing.

It is very much an empty threat.

Yes the mechanism is there to end up at a non preferred club. But it did not happen to Tippett or Ball. It will never happen.

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[GrommoT]

Don't know what all the huppla about, If Lever goes we are going to get min 1x1st round. Then they negotiate on steak knives whether that is Picks or a Player.
Now what would be good value, My absolute twisted arm min is 2017 1st (top 10) and a 2018 2nd, Mainly due to 2018 draft batting deeper,
My Preference and the one I believe we should push a 100% for is 2017 1st and 2018 1st. We don't need a Player swap we need low 1st round Picks and have an opportunity as the Clubs that are interested in him have low picks, lets not stuff that opportunity up by going for a Player. Unless that player is an absolute match winning Gun.

Reckon we go for 2017 1st round pick swaps and their 2018 1st. This would give us a good chance to draft John Fogarty and get stuck into next year's SA boys.

 

[Shaz2012]

You carry through with it, player goes to draft and nominates salary and they end up at the club they want to be at. And we the club gets nothing.

It is very much an empty threat.

Yes the mechanism is there to end up at a non preferred club. But it did not happen to Tippett or Ball. It will never happen.

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Why wouldn't Golf Coast nab him? They need a coup if Gary leaves for basically nothing. Lever would have to nominate a price and a contract length. He wont risk a 1 or 2 year because his value may drop significantly. So he will nominate 5 years probably. Gold Coast take him with pick 2 and have Lever for 5 years. Would be the smart play. If Lever wants to play AFL he wont be able to do anything but give his all. Gold Coast could then still on trade him for 2 mid round firsts at the end of his contract or any time before that.

Us threatening to send him to the draft should be taken VERY seriously by Levers management. We should be making this vlear to him from day 1 and telling him that we will decide where he goes unless he wants to go to the Gold Coast.

 

[Geoffa32]

Why wouldn't Golf Coast nab him? They need a coup if Gary leaves for basically nothing. Lever would have to nominate a price and a contract length. He wont risk a 1 or 2 year because his value may drop significantly. So he will nominate 5 years probably. Gold Coast take him with pick 2 and have Lever for 5 years. Would be the smart play. If Lever wants to play AFL he wont be able to do anything but give his all. Gold Coast could then still on trade him for 2 mid round firsts at the end of his contract or any time before that.

Us threatening to send him to the draft should be taken VERY seriously by Levers management. We should be making this vlear to him from day 1 and telling him that we will decide where he goes unless he wants to go to the Gold Coast.

Why didn't any club other than Sydney and Collingwood draft Tippett and Ball.

I understand the mechanism is there for it to happen, an existing player land where they don't want to be......but it does not happen.

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[Mr_Moogle]

Long term it could be, if clubs and individuals know that the PSD threat is real, negotiations start from a different point.
Take Kurt for example, Sydney knew that we were in a weakened bargaining position and used it to their advantage from the outset.

Tippett being an overpaid spud and not delivering on his potential is poetic justice.

 

[LC40]

If he chooses to go home and chooses a club all I hope for is the best trade possible. Would love him to stay, however it may also provide the club a great opportunity. At some level we'll be restricted by what the other club has to offer in regard to players willing to come to Adelaide and draft picks available.

Ultimately the club has to act in the clubs and the teams best interest. I don't think now that either on a short or long term basis that sending a player to the PSD is in our best interest.

It could be in years to come.
If we get fair value then yes trade but if we are going to get shafted why not send him to the PSD (or threaten too). Two interstate clubs have the chance to pick him up.When push comes to shove would Lever prefer to stay with us who are in a premiership window or take his chances with Brisbane and Gold Coast.
If those interstate clubs make noises to take him Lever then knows he needs to go through the whole saga again to get to the Vic team of his choice.
Even if he takes on the bluff it's a lot of teams that have to pass in the PSD before he gets to his teams of choice.

Dangerfield was a RFA and a completely different case in terms of rules.
Lever is a second year player and doesn't have the options or goodwill Danger did.

Yes maybe we should have done this with Gunston and not let him get to the team of his choice.
Making a stand may well be in the best interest of our club in years to come. We are always a target at present.
Even if Jake leaves we need to get the best deal possible from any club willing to negotiate. Jake can't be on the front foot and dictating which club it is.
Sure players that have nominated clubs have got there but this year the cards are stacked a little differently.
Jake may become a hostile player because of playing hard ball, so what. We actually have the players at the moment to cover his loss, yes there might be some pain but this could send a signal to the other teams and recently drafted kids.

 

[Pugsley]

Tippett being an overpaid spud and not delivering on his potential is poetic justice.

Karma is a bitch.

 

[beartoo]

Any less than 2 firsts for 21 yo All-Australian squad Jake Lever should result in a members and supporters march on West Lakes and some tarring and feathering.
I hope he re-signs with us, but don't reckon that will happen. Get value for this bloke, staff. The PD trade was a disgrace.

 

[boffo]

Maynard yes please

Come on home Maxie Jr

This is definitely a possibility. Our recruiters were keen on him in his draft year.

 

[Sanders]

I was replying to a comment that trade compensation had nothing to do with it.
The poster said Lever would make his choice and Adelaide would be forced to deal with that Club.

Judd made his one choice, and west coast were forced to deal with that club

 

[Mego Red]

It's never going to happen and you know it.

Port had someone with the conviction, balls and stubborness of Mark Williams calling the shots. We don't have such a character at the club.

Port has been a far less successful club than us.

There's no point pulling a muscle in your rush to jerk off Mark Williams just because he threw a tantrum about a trade 15 years ago.

 

[Mego Red]

Because it's us. We do have a reputation.

Bryce Gibbs.

Not letting Dangerfield go as a free agent.

Every club thinks they should be getting more from their trades, because their fans are unrealistic.

 

[CarnMags]

Judd made his one choice, and west coast were forced to deal with that club

...... and again I'll repeat myself......

Player Managers, talk players out of choosing a Club that does not have the picks/players to compensate the club.

Want proof? Just listen to his Manager Paul Connors on the video below (24.55 minute mark)

 

[Mego Red]

Danger could have been forced into the draft, Lever can also , Gibbs was forced to stay at Carlton, CC should be forced to stay if we dont get fair return if he wants to leave

Time to get tough , but the media seem a little more behind this one, so we need to ensure that the club is aware of the supporter backlash if they act like soft C's

Dangerfield wouldn't have been forced into the draft. They just wouldn't have gotten one of their other trade targets or wouldn't have re-signed a veteran, and would have outbid us as a free agent.

 

[displacedaussie]

Want proof? Just listen to his Manager Paul Connors on the video below (24.55 minute mark)

He is lying.

 

[Vikingblood]

Port has been a far less successful club than us.

There's no point pulling a muscle in your rush to jerk off Mark Williams just because he threw a tantrum about a trade 15 years ago.

Was also a completely different landscape then. That Stevens situation is the most irrelevant argument to the Lever situation. And much as people say how tough Williams was to do that, he also had a massive amount of detractors for doing it.

 

[CarnMags]

You guys are hard work.

Good luck in the finals.

 

[Mego Red]

If you take that attitude we will lose out, the club need to be prepared to take a hit, as will Lever,Brisbane and GC have first picks and they will snaffle him and trade him next year if he wants to go, Lever wont want that and if he commits to another club, he needs to be damn certain how they will trade fo him, ATM he feels AFC are a soft hit, it makes it much much harder to leave if the player thinks the club will tak such action. It has worked for Port where players may not get to their prefered destination

It's rubbish that players even think about something that happened at Port before they were even in kindergarten.

That club has been an absolute disaster for much of its time in the AFL.

 

[Sanders]

Stephen Wells said HERE :

"The Crows are a great club and business is business everyone had to get on with things eventually ... and once the Crows made it clear to us that they were gonna be not satisfied with whatever the compensation would be through the free agency opportunity, we had to try and get a deal done ... we owed it to Paddy and his family, and to our players and supporters to do, to eliminate any risk of Paddy not joining our club
so to be able to do a deal with Adelaide in a very professional way, I think both clubs have come out of it ok ... we've got Paddy coming to our club which is what his desire was and the Crows have done a bit better than what they would have under free agency compensation. ...
Dean [Gore] was approached through his manager by the Crows to consider going home ... he and his manager approached us to be considered as part of that deal with Paddy ... was player that Adelaide were keen to get back to their club
...
Do you believe that Adelaide would have matched your offer to stretch things should it come to that?
We did, we were reasonably sure that they were going to be dissatisfied with that pick 14 which would have been the compensation pick, I mean they never actually told us that they wouldn't match the offer or that they would, they negotiated well, that we weren't willing to take that risk that if we did the free agency offer, we would then have to go back to the trade table, we didn't want to put Paddy through that."

I guess Crows could have perhaps pushed a bit harder and gotten Cats' 2016 first round which ended as pick 16 but we got their 2016 pick 28, which ended as pick 33.

Oh, and tried pretty hard to search for a copy of the 5AA Wells appearance where he supposedly said he was surprised Crows didn't push Geelong harder for two firsts but had no luck.

That's horrendous

He's basically said they set the baseline as just above compensation level. FFS

We didn't want to put paddy through that

 

[marty36]

Dangerfield wouldn't have been forced into the draft. They just wouldn't have gotten one of their other trade targets or wouldn't have re-signed a veteran, and would have outbid us as a free agent.

I guess we can all speculate on that

But Geelong definitely have a particular payment plan


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[Sanders]

...... and again I'll repeat myself......

Player Managers, talk players out of choosing a Club that does not have the picks/players to compensate the club.

Want proof? Just listen to his Manager Paul Connors on the video below (24.55 minute mark)

It's like words have no meaning, or their meanings sail over your head.

 

[Mego Red]

If he nominates Hawthorn and they say a 2nd round is all we have and we arent prepared to hand over any players I definetlky think he can go to the PSD, dont you?

Why shoudl we take unders, send a message so when or if players do go searching they better do their homework on if the move could be blocked due to the AFC getting bent over

The club he is going to has nothing to lose, but lever himself does if he ends up in Bris Vegas

Sure. If someone offers a second round pick and a dud player, tell them to **** off.

He should be a top six pick and something else.

 

[Mego Red]

Any less than 2 firsts for 21 yo All-Australian squad Jake Lever should result in a members and supporters march on West Lakes and some tarring and feathering.
I hope he re-signs with us, but don't reckon that will happen. Get value for this bloke, staff. The PD trade was a disgrace.

Two firsts for Jake and a second is realistic.

Two firsts for Jake will only happen if they're both 12+.

Players just don't get traded for two firsts.