List Mgmt. 2017 Trade & Free Agency Watch Part 2

[Stevi_Tigers]

I think there's a 0% chance of us signing Lynch

Carlspoon will offer him the world

 

[Metapod]

[One small quibble: I'd leave Daniher and Heeney out of this list - they were FS/Academy picks and in reality, top 3 picks in their draft year].

Some very good (potentially great) players there and I think I understand the point you are making - first rounders usually have a lot of upside potential and can go on to become superstars.

Often, that upside is overrated. I've rebuilt your list, but moved one pick earlier. It's hit and miss. Vlaustin is a very good defender, but may not make it as a midfielder. Guys like Tomlinson have only now become "first 22" players. Others have been delisted or are about to be. Too early to tell on the 2015 boys.

2009 Draft: Kane Lucas pick #12, Ben Griffiths pick #19
2010 Draft: Daniel Gorringe pick #10
2011 Draft: Billy Longer pick #8, Adam Tomlinson pick #9, Liam Sumner pick #10
2012 Draft: Nick Vlaustin pick #9, Josh Simpson #17
2013 Draft: Ben Lennon pick #12
2014 Draft: Lachie Weller #13, Kyle Langford #17
2015 Draft: Charlie Curnow pick #12, Matt Kennedy pick #13

If I had wanted to, I could have picked out a few "busts" from each year and claimed the draft produces garbage players. That would have been bad analysis.

The draft is a crapshoot, where an earlier pick is good to have but no guarantee of producing an elite player. If Richmond wants to win a flag with our current squad, we can consider trading away some potential (which will only be useful to us in season 2020 and beyond) for ready-made players who are a known quantity.

Forget the Salem trade. I just picked it up as an example. My broader point is simple: I'd trade potential in 2020 for a proven performer that fills a gap in 2018/2019. Good players fighting for spots with strong coaching can win a flag. Let's build that team, rather than hoping to draft the next Buddy Franklin.

Cheers.

Dave P.

I understand your point, but disagree with your preference: I would prefer to draft a potential gun than a fringe best 22 player with a first round pick, particularly because you can trade for fringe best 22 players with mid-late second rounders (see: Jack Steele for St Kilda 2017 2nd round pick, Michael Hibberd for pick 29, Nankervis for pick 46, Caddy for pick 24, Hoskin-Elliot for Coll 2017 2nd round pick, and so on... and these were only the trades from last year!).

The other side of the coin is if you keep trading your high draft picks for kids in the system 4/5 years, you are going to have a really, really hard time in 5-8 years.

 

[TigerTime88]

would anyone want this option:

Trade 2x 2017 first rounders, plus Miles/Lennon/Titch to GC - get Lynch and a 2nd round pick? use that 2nd on Naish.

i think that adding a Lynch to this team would boost it immensly that a big trade like that could help enough to sacrifice a 1 of our first rounders (as we will probably have to use the other on Naish). and still be able to get naish with our 2nd and 3rd picks.

or are we not able to trade 1st rounders this year as we used our pick 6 last year?

You're not going to get Lynch for some crappy teen first rounders and blokes we want to get rid of.....and on top of that get a second rounder lol.

Some people here are clueless!

I think I even read Brandon Ellis for a top 3 pick!

Tom Lynch would take two top ten picks and even then GC will drive a hard bargain. He is tracking to become the best KPF in the game.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

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You need to put up warnings in the posts' prior if you're going to put these sort of photo's up.

Is it just me that hears the X files music come on inside my head everytime I see this bloke???

 

[CotchIsKing]

I think there's a 0% chance of us signing Lynch

It's not that high!!

 

[living_in_syd]

How are we going to pay Lynch? WE will have nothing left.. LOL

need to find a forward value version of someone like nankervis

 

[energyquant]

I understand your point, but disagree with your preference: I would prefer to draft a potential gun than a fringe best 22 player with a first round pick, particularly because you can trade for fringe best 22 players with mid-late second rounders (see: Jack Steele for St Kilda 2017 2nd round pick, Michael Hibberd for pick 29, Nankervis for pick 46, Caddy for pick 24, Hoskin-Elliot for Coll 2017 2nd round pick, and so on... and these were only the trades from last year!).

The other side of the coin is if you keep trading your high draft picks for kids in the system 4/5 years, you are going to have a really, really hard time in 5-8 years.

Can't argue with that. Good perspective. I'm sure this type of debate is ongoing within the club - go for A/B graders now, or hold out for potential A+ players in a few years time. As in all things, I'm sure some balance is critical.

Cheers.

Dave P.

 

[Sir_Loin]

I think there's a 0% chance of us signing Lynch

I'm putting it at 0.0000000000001 of a chance. I'm saying there's a chance.

 

[energyquant]

I regret bringing up Salem

Me too. Think I'll always be remembered as the guy that wanted to trade picks 1 and 2 (plus Brandon Ellis) for Christian Salem on a 10 year, $15m deal ;-)

Cheers.

Dave P.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Me too. Think I'll always be remembered as the guy that wanted to trade picks 1 and 2 (plus Brandon Ellis) for Christian Salem on a 10 year, $15m deal ;-)

Cheers.

Dave P.

Salem is all show and no go. Looks like he should be a good player but isnt doing it. Like Watts and Vickery TBH. A club will take a chance on him and he may come good. Or he could go the way of Jimmy Toumpas. If we got him for a slab of xxxx tinnies then might be worth a shot

 

[energyquant]

Dumb question. If you were the list manager, what would you accept as a trade for Brandon Ellis? No player exchange, just draft pick(s).

I'll start - I would take pick #3 or higher. To me, he's *that* valuable at this stage in the development of our team. If we traded him for a pick in the middle of the first round (say #9), I'd be angry with the club. Am I crazy?

Cheers.

Dave P.

 

[tigerz18]

You're not going to get Lynch for some crappy teen first rounders and blokes we want to get rid of.....and on top of that get a second rounder lol.

Some people here are clueless!

I think I even read Brandon Ellis for a top 3 pick!

Tom Lynch would take two top ten picks and even then GC will drive a hard bargain. He is tracking to become the best KPF in the game.

as opposed to him walking next year and them getting 1 first rounder?

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Dumb question. If you were the list manager, what would you accept as a trade for Brandon Ellis? No player exchange, just draft pick(s).

I'll start - I would take pick #3 or higher. To me, he's *that* valuable at this stage in the development of our team. If we traded him for a pick in the middle of the first round (say #9), I'd be angry with the club. Am I crazy?

Cheers.

Dave P.

All depends on what type of players were available at #9 and what are the holes in the list/what could we trade pick #9 for?

 

[Hamsatma]

as opposed to him walking next year and them getting 1 first rounder?

To be fair to GC when he leaves next year that first rounder will be pick 2

 

[UpTheTigs]

We simply can't afford Lynch. Won't happen.

 

[TiggerMan22]

Free Agents in 2018 (2018 free agents: Lynch, Gaff headline monster list)

Conca may gets Richmond a pick upgrade as for Griffiths anything is possible after all Richmond did pickup Chris Knights

Ah k, for free agents for next time.
Still won't get anything, we would have offered Conca for anything and no one wanted him. Nearly another entire season missed with injury will just make people want him less.
Knights was an unrestricted free agent, we got him for nothing except the small salary. So na, no one will trade for Grirff.

 

[TigerTime88]

as opposed to him walking next year and them getting 1 first rounder?

Yes 100%.

Next years draft is much stronger and GC will probably have a top 5 pick.

 

[shaky]

Carlspoon will offer him the world

He's from Gold Coast, not GWS

 

[Sol23]

Dumb question. If you were the list manager, what would you accept as a trade for Brandon Ellis? No player exchange, just draft pick(s).

I'll start - I would take pick #3 or higher. To me, he's *that* valuable at this stage in the development of our team. If we traded him for a pick in the middle of the first round (say #9), I'd be angry with the club. Am I crazy?

Cheers.

Dave P.

I would say a little crazy... yes he's improved but I'd highly doubt we'd get anything near pick 9. Pick around 20 is more his value

 

[energyquant]

I would say a little crazy... yes he's improved but I'd highly doubt we'd get anything near pick 9. Pick around 20 is more his value

Would you take pick #20 for him?

Cheers.

Dave P.

 

[prodigy]

We simply can't afford Lynch. Won't happen.

Disagree.


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[Sol23]

Would you take pick #20 for him?

Cheers.

Dave P.

Probly not... I'd rather package him up with a pick to get a descent player ie wright, lynch that type

 

[energyquant]

Probly not... I'd rather package him up with a pick to get a descent player ie wright, lynch that type

Understood, but I'm interested in his value at the trade table. Knowing what we know (about our list, the draft, available players etc.) what is the single pick in the 2018 draft would you be happy to accept as a straight swap for Brandon Ellis?

Cheers.

Dave P.

 

[tunksy]

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Understood, but I'm interested in his value at the trade table. Knowing what we know (about our list, the draft, available players etc.) what is the single pick in the 2018 draft would you be happy to accept as a straight swap for Brandon Ellis?

Cheers.

Dave P.

A pick in the low teens

 

[UpTheTigs]

Disagree.


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