Live Event 2017 AFL Draft - #2, #5, #42, #60, #66, #70, #77, #80, #90

[Kenny_01]

Brander has dropped down to 11, Naughton at 12.

1 - Rayner
2 - LDU
3 - Dow
4 - Cerra
5 - Stephenson
6 - Brayshaw
7 - Fogarty


I think we'll end up with 2 of his top 5. He seems pretty set on who the '5 standouts' are that Lloyd was banging on about

I think Brayshaw may be tempting at 5 if we get Rayner at 2 otherwise I think you are correct.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

He's a beast with agility and a great footy mind that makes up for him not being that pacy. Being one of the best kicks of the top 10 prospects helps also. He's also proven to be a very good defender when played down back so he's extremely versatile. So it's kind of understandable why people are comparing him to Pav. Going to be annoyed if I have to watch him playing for another team like I had to with SPS this year [/QUOTE]


Yes he's all those things you say more or less but I can't tick the box on him yet until satisfied about two concerns : I have stated those several times on BF re his "reflex" speed by hand and foot especially in congestion (not the sideways agility that impresses many but all round agility) and the other that many seem to ignore is that his stats just are not that good for such a touted player as what many are saying. A number of things contributed to his average year and weight gain etc so there could be improvement in fitness and agility and reflex speed and covering the ground more. That gets his numbers up to. But until there is evidence of possible improvement and he has the comparible reflex speed as others in the top ten I consider he is a high risk early pick. People will disagree with me but I've said before I like him as an early pick for us subject to ticking those boxes.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Freo neglect the midfield ?
1) Fyfe
2) Neale
3) Blakely
4) Mundy
5) Bennell (HF/Mid )
6) Walters ( Small Forward/Mid)
Outside mid
7) S.hill
8) B.hill
9) Langdon
10) Tucker

Mundy is in his last year (and plays increasingly little midfield as it is), Bennell and Walters in the fwdline actually gives us a chance of kicking goals. So imagine keeping Walters and Bennell on the half fwdline and not losing much in the middle by adding a pick 2 and 5 off the bench. Additionally, Langdon will never be a superstar and can easily be upgraded to a better player.

Fyfe, Neale, Blakely starting middle with 2, 5 and Mundy rotating through. Hill x 2 on the wings with Langdon and Bennell/Walters rotating. Sounds good to me

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

Club likes him. Cerra in the mix for pick 2 but still think it will be LDU, but if he gets taken by Brisbane.

Fairly confident we have Cerra in our 5 mix if the cards fall the right way.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/dced7b81f8dd271fcd19c3436ba4a112[/QUOTE]


That is really PW reporting. Just lazy grabbing of speculative sources and nothing concrete from the clubs.

 

[meima]

Mundy is in his last year (and plays increasingly little midfield as it is), Bennell and Walters in the fwdline actually gives us a chance of kicking goals. So imagine keeping Walters and Bennell on the half fwdline and not losing much in the middle by adding a pick 2 and 5 off the bench. Additionally, Langdon will never be a superstar and can easily be upgraded to a better player.

Fyfe, Neale, Blakely starting middle with 2, 5 and Mundy rotating through. Hill x 2 on the wings with Langdon and Bennell/Walters rotating. Sounds good to me

That is the ideal situation , you don't need to had a team full of superstar to win a premiership. Hawthorn, bulldog and Richmond all had footsoldier in their side .

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

Freo neglect the midfield ?
1) Fyfe
2) Neale
3) Blakely
4) Mundy
5) Bennell (HF/Mid )
6) Walters ( Small Forward/Mid)
Outside mid
7) S.hill
8) B.hill
9) Langdon
10) Tucker

One short inside mid and back up in/out mid. (Mundy part time- planning now his replacement). Bennell, Walters, Hill Hill not inside mids. Langdon and Tucker could be but unlikely. LDU, Rayner, Dow, Cerra all can play inside well and Fogarty probably too. Having five-six for the engine room on our list is the goal.

 

[meima]

One short inside mid and back up in/out mid. (Mundy part time- planning now his replacement). Bennell, Walters, Hill Hill not inside mids. Langdon and Tucker could be but unlikely. LDU, Rayner, Dow, Cerra all can play inside well and Fogarty probably too. Having five-six for the engine room on our list is the goal.

My question is must it use it on two high pick on mid though , Hodge play as floating HcB (MJ role) in 2008 before moving to mid in 2010 from memory, Mitchell , Dane swan are not Top 30 mid pick . S.hill speed playing outside will decrease as he get older .

 

[mike91]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/dced7b81f8dd271fcd19c3436ba4a112

That is really PW reporting. Just lazy grabbing of speculative sources and nothing concrete from the clubs.[/QUOTE]
What does it say dude?

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

My question is must it use it on two high pick on mid though , Hodge play as floating HcB (MJ role) in 2008 before moving to mid in 2010 from memory, Mitchell , Dane swan are not Top 30 mid pick .

I think it is likely we have a combination set that will vary on who we get first that will then determine our second.

So yes, you may be right. Our first pick, and depending on other clubs picks...we could pick Naughton, Fogarty, Coffield, and dare i say it even Allen. Three of these could as developed players spend time in the middle very effectvely.

 

[Paracleet]

I'm with you. Anyone who knocks Naughton's kicking should understand that his kicking is probably marginally better at this stage than Macpharlaps.

That's hardly an endorsement.

 

[wayToGo_]

Yes he's all those things you say more or less but I can't tick the box on him yet until satisfied about two concerns : I have stated those several times on BF re his "reflex" speed by hand and foot especially in congestion (not the sideways agility that impresses many but all round agility) and the other that many seem to ignore is that his stats just are not that good for such a touted player as what many are saying. A number of things contributed to his average year and weight gain etc so there could be improvement in fitness and agility and reflex speed and covering the ground more. That gets his numbers up to. But until there is evidence of possible improvement and he has the comparible reflex speed as others in the top ten I consider he is a high risk early pick. People will disagree with me but I've said before I like him as an early pick for us subject to ticking those boxes.

Yeah I've seen you post a bit about reflexes but I honestly don't know what you are getting at. Do you have some footage of what you are talking about? And similarly with disposal numbers. That's just not how he plays. He's an impact player. When the ball gets in his hands he normally takes responsibility to make something happen. He generally uses his big body, strength and explosiveness to power out of congestion or else his evasive side step to get into space so he has time to choose good options. He isn't one of these extractors that either fires out a handball or drops it immediately on the boot and hopes for the best. What you are seeing as a negative I see as a positive. He'll get done for HtB occasionally but all midfield bulls are going to get that occasionally.

I think it's much easier to up a mid's volume of possessions than to up their impact per disposal - same goes for Rayner and UDL who are similarly impact players imo. No draftee is a perfect package from day dot - the AFL clubs still need to develop their deficiencies and with these guys there are very few comparatively.

 

[peppy la pew]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/dced7b81f8dd271fcd19c3436ba4a112

That is really PW reporting. Just lazy grabbing of speculative sources and nothing concrete from the clubs.[/QUOTE]

It's also hidden behind a PAYWALL

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

That is really PW reporting. Just lazy grabbing of speculative sources and nothing concrete from the clubs.

It's also hidden behind a PAYWALL[/QUOTE]

Yes sorry, DB put it up back on post 3051.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

That is really PW reporting. Just lazy grabbing of speculative sources and nothing concrete from the clubs.

What does it say dude?[/QUOTE]

Yes apologies DB'S post 3051 has the guts of the article.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

I think it's much easier to up a mid's volume of possessions than to up their impact per disposal - same goes for Rayner and UDL who are similarly impact players imo. No draftee is a perfect package from day dot - the AFL clubs still need to develop their deficiencies and with these guys there are very few comparatively.[/QUOTE]


l'll go back through it all and see what I can find. But just to say your description there of "explosiveness - power out of congestion", thay were a few cases caught on highlight clips. They seldom occur - unlike Rayner and Dow who do them several times every game. It's okay though WTG I know you like his game.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

https://www.afl*******************/player/darcy-fogarty/

Draft Central

Sept birthday - only just turned 18 similar to Naughton 18 in november

 

[Wally Walpamur]

The only reason I don't see us picking up Naughton (rightly or wrongly) is because Sam Collins came out and said he wasn't offered a contract because he was told they were happy with the depth we have. Either we're happy or we moved him on knowing we'd take Aaron and we'd then be happy.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

The only reason I don't see us picking up Naughton (rightly or wrongly) is because Sam Collins came out and said he wasn't offered a contract because he was told they were happy with the depth we have. Either we're happy or we moved him on knowing we'd take Aaron and we'd then be happy.

May have eyes on Sammy Taylor to fill Sammy Collins spot....if we don't get him we draft Sammy C back. excuse the puns

 

[wayToGo_]

l'll go back through it all and see what I can find. But just to say your description there of "explosiveness - power out of congestion", thay were a few cases caught on highlight clips. They seldom occur - unlike Rayner and dow who do them several times every game. It's okay though WTG I know you like his game.

I'm not just basing it on the short videos ffs. I watched as many of the u18s games both this year and last as I could (both live and on tv). In 2017 he played mostly as a forward I assume because of his injury but he played much more as a mid in 2016 and I assure you he powered out of congestion in a similar way to Rayner, and did it often. Also has a similarly nice fend off. You probably won't find much on YouTube - maybe the 2016 All Stars u17s game where he was BOG has some of that? Think the full game was available online somewhere from memory. You should also check out some of his work in the Macca's Cup if you can find it as well. Like this:



Certainly don't see the reflex issues you speak of in this video

 

[meima]

Just my guess, part of the reason Collins get delisted is he is not flexible, no closing speed . The traditional type of Backmen . Naughton play on instinct. If you ask me to choose only one to play backline between Logue and Naughton , I will go for Naughton.

Fogarthy or Naughton then I choose Fog.

 

[blue shark]

Just like SPS in his draft year, Fogarty should be judged on 2016 highlights, you can actually see the difference in weight agilty, Sure the knee isn't
right, but il looks like he tried to compensate too much in the gym in his upperbody.
Cerra is the next Luke Ball, would you take him instead of Hodge, Judd?

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

I'm not just basing it on the short videos ffs.

Certainly don't see the reflex issues you speak of in this video

Woo there .

You validate my concern, he was 16 in that vid, ahead of those around him and looked very good hence the raps early. He has carried injury in 2017 (knee meniscus - I tried playing with the same injury years ago) banged on quite a few kilos, is now up against and compared to plenty of agile and quick players who have come on. His Nab 18 games don't show him as so dominant or agile, more because (carry the knee) many of those around him are now better players and making him look slower. If you disagree thats okay.

Surely your okay with us waiting and getting some info from the draft combine to tell us how he compares "now" and his readiness for a faster tempo game of AFL. Not sure how much detail they release but I'll be happy if he ticks the boxes comparitively to some others.

 

[Boogy]

My concern is the level of passion he has for Collingwood. Unusual in good U/18s players. I can only think of McCarthy (Fremantle) and Jarrod Oakley-Nicholls (West Coast).
If he gets to the black and white, there won’t be a go home factor for him, and if we pick him up, there may still be a chance we lose him to the Pies.

If he is the best for your team take him.
Pav was a passionate SA and turned into a WA /club legend. If he wants to go home make Vic teams pay top price like with Lever to Melb.

 

[_007_]

Woo there .

You validate my concern, he was 16 in that vid, ahead of those around him and looked very good hence the raps early. He has carried injury in 2017 (knee meniscus - I tried playing with the same injury years ago) banged on quite a few kilos, is now up against and compared to plenty of agile and quick players who have come on. His Nab 18 games don't show him as so dominant or agile, more because (carry the knee) many of those around him are now better players and making him look slower. If you disagree thats okay.

Surely your okay with us waiting and getting some info from the draft combine to tell us how he compares "now" and his readiness for a faster tempo game of AFL. Not sure how much detail they release but I'll be happy if he ticks the boxes comparitively to some others.

- 94 kilos ain't overweight for a 192cm bloke.

- Do you suppose the 'agile and quick' players weighing 70-80 kilos will lose anything when they get themselves to afl playing weight in 2-3 years time?

- What is reflex speed????

- How do you suppose his agility will go if he trims a few kilos over the preseason?

- What do you suppose is easier, losing or gaining weight in an elite environment?

- Name any player in this draft with evasive skills equal to Fogarty.

- Name any player in this draft with a better non preferred foot.

Dude could play a similar role to Sam Mitchell imo but with more versatility to his game due to his size.