Cricket Discussion - Part 1

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philreich said:
Lynn was dropped on 0 (third ball of the innings - absolute sitter), and made the Stars pay a huge price.
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Oh well, makes up for the terrible decision on NYE against the Strikers. How big was his or Mccullam's biggest sixes? Long way back over the fence or mickey Mouse 6's over the rope?
 
Even had Lynn got out for 0, and how many cowpats does that make that we've seen go down in the last week, McCullum and Burns were so comfortable that they'd have reached the Stars tiny target easily. They may not have had 5 overs to spare and may have lost an extra wicket or two but the points would still have gone to the Heat.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Oh well, makes up for the terrible decision on NYE against the Strikers. How big was his or Mccullam's biggest sixes? Long way back over the fence or mickey Mouse 6's over the rope?
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I missed the fun bit, but cricinfo suggested that one of Lynn's 6's may have "landed on the Gold Coast" :).
 

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philreich said:
I missed the fun bit, but cricinfo suggested that one of Lynn's 6's may have "landed on the Gold Coast" :).
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Just dawned on me I should check twitter.

The dropped ctach



This must be the big hit cricinfo said it landed on the Gold Coast. There are 10 pitches at the MCG and they were playing on pitch 9 so that is a big hit to the leg side, so smack bang in the middle of the ground (border of pitch 5 and 6) would be an 87m hit to the fence but pitch 9, so add 9.15m for pitches 6,7,8 and 1.53m for middle of pitch 9 and you are over 100m to get it over the fence. Not sure how many rows back it goes.

 
Not only did big John Wayne 'The Duke' Hastings drop Lynn



But he also got a nasty bouncer which rattled him a bit, lost his helmet and almost knocked over his stumps but he did well to keep the ball from rolling back onto his stumps.



But whenever I see John Wayne 'The Duke' Hastings play, I always think of this classic bit of commentary from David Bumbles Lloyd from Perth in January 2011 that saw Nasser Hussain lose it.


 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Talking of the MCG the ICC have given the test match pitch a poor rating and if you now rack up enough negative points the MCG will take a test match away from that ground. The new ratings system startsed on 1st January so the MCG wont rack up any demerit points for that shitty pitch. Lets see if they impose that on the Indian grounds given they provide 70% of world cricket revenue.


Australian cricket has been embarrassed by the ICC rating the MCG drop-in pitch for the Boxing Day Ashes Test as "poor" following a dull draw in which only 24 wickets were taken over five days.

It is the first time an Australian international pitch has been rated poor and it has come soon after the drop-in surface for the women's Ashes Test at North Sydney Oval in November was labelled "below average" for also failing to provide conditions conducive to playing attractive cricket. Cricket Australia has 14 days in which to provide a response to the ICC.

"We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test," CA chief executive James Sutherland said. "We work closely with all our venues to encourage the best possible international cricket playing environment.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21938799/mcg-pitch-rated-poor-icc

More from the ICC and their new system which actually starts from the 4th January.
https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/585087
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I read that, it has a storm in a teacup feel to it as there is no way the ICC is going to take the Boxing Day Test away from the MCG. The fact is the ICC is struggling to get crowds to Test cricket yet they are waving a big stick in the direction of one of the best attended Tests anywhere in the world. The Pommy press were all over the beat up surrounding Jimmy Anderson's alleged ball tampering. One wonders if they will be as quick to consign this over reaction to the waste bin. In fact I am waiting for them to start spouting the 'Smith favoured by Aussie doctored wickets' line.

Somehow what constitutes a poor wicket has changed in recent times. Once upon a time a poor wicket was one that cracked up and produced a result inside of three days. Now it appears that in an effort to resurrect Test Cricket the ICC want wickets that deteriorate to a magic formula and produce results sometime on day five. In any case a Sri Lakan criticising the standard of an Australian pitch has to be the height of hypocrisy. It is not that long ago that Ranjan Madugalle's countrymen were producing wickets that turned after tea on the first day. Australians will probably cop the criticism it it is warranted but we trust that the same standards will be applied to wickets in the sub continent.

The fact is the Poms were good enough to dismiss Australia for around 330 and had Australia held onto those regulation chances offered by Cook the Poms would not have made many more and despite the benign batting conditions a result may have been a lot closer.
 
raptalia said:
I read that, it has a storm in a teacup feel to it as there is no way the ICC is going to take the Boxing Day Test away from the MCG. The fact is the ICC is struggling to get crowds to Test cricket yet they are waving a big stick in the direction of one of the best attended Tests anywhere in the world. The Pommy press were all over the beat up surrounding Jimmy Anderson's alleged ball tampering. One wonders if they will be as quick to consign this over reaction to the waste bin. In fact I am waiting for them to start spouting the 'Smith favoured by Aussie doctored wickets' line.

Somehow what constitutes a poor wicket has changed in recent times. Once upon a time a poor wicket was one that cracked up and produced a result inside of three days. Now it appears that in an effort to resurrect Test Cricket the ICC want wickets that deteriorate and produce results sometime on day five. In any case a Sri Lakan criticising the standard of an Australian pitch has to be the height of hypocrisy. It is not that long ago that Ranjan Madugalle's countrymen were producing wickets that turned after tea on the first day. Australians will probably cop the criticism it it is warranted but we trust that the same standards will be applied to wickets in the sub continent.

The fact is the Poms were good enough to dismiss Australia for around 330 and had Australia held onto those regulation chances offered by Cook the Poms would not have made many more and despite the benign batting conditions a result may have been a lot closer.
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I doubt they would ever take it away either because they have to rack up 4 or 5 demerit points for bad pitches in a row or over the allocated time period. Its a way of keeping ground curators and administrators on their toes - worldwide! If Melbourne was on 3 bad pitches in a row the MCC, CA and Vic government would move heaven and hell to make sure the next few would be good wickets and not lose the test. Its that sort of big stick, just in case in the major countries so that when they use it in the minor ones they can't be accused of being double standards and not applying them in the money making countries. Since 2006 when the rule first came in, 7 pitches have been rated poor and 1 as unfit in test playing nations. 4 of those inc an unfit one at Delhi are in India and the rest spread over 4 other nations. Canada had 4 unfit ones in 2 days when associate nations played a ODI tournament. So 8 in 11 years suggests its not critical. More at

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/18788951/eight-deadly-pitches
 
s**t didn't know this about the MCG boxing day pitch. From that ESPNcricinfo link in my last post.

What happened: The MCG's curator had resigned and his replacement was yet to arrive, so the preparation of the pitch for the Boxing Day Test of the 2017-18 Ashes was left in the hands of the arena operations manager. He tried to play it safe by leaving little grass on the surface and repeatedly rolling it, but the result was a pitch that did not deteriorate over the five days. In addition, the bounce, according to Ranjan Madugalle, the match referee, was "medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed."
 
philreich said:
The Kiwis are giving it to the Windies again - currently 0 for 128 after 11 overs. Don't write off 260.
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Yes, that Munro dude is at it again - 78 off 36 so far, with 3x4 and 8x6

They're probably playing on rugby grounds though, where you could block a six.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
s**t didn't know this about the MCG boxing day pitch. From that ESPNcricinfo link in my last post.

What happened: The MCG's curator had resigned and his replacement was yet to arrive, so the preparation of the pitch for the Boxing Day Test of the 2017-18 Ashes was left in the hands of the arena operations manager. He tried to play it safe by leaving little grass on the surface and repeatedly rolling it, but the result was a pitch that did not deteriorate over the five days. In addition, the bounce, according to Ranjan Madugalle, the match referee, was "medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed."
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Miss management of a venue if I've ever seen it.
How the hell can you not have a replacement curator in time for a major test match? I would've thought it would be a job high on the list of a people in that area and you wouldn't have to much of a problem finding a suitable replacement.
 
LFC2010 said:
Miss management of a venue if I've ever seen it.
How the hell can you not have a replacement curator in time for a major test match? I would've thought it would be a job high on the list of a people in that area and you wouldn't have to much of a problem finding a suitable replacement.
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They found a suitable replacement in the former WACA curator Matt Page. The problem is Page had to conclude his obligations with the WACA before starting at the MCG. If Page had produced the same wicket at the MCG as he did at the WACA someone would be complaining about the cracks. Sometimes you cannot win.
 

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Grave Danger said:
Ha ha - the pitch for the BBL game at Kardinya Park tonight is on the diagonal, so a bit like those rugby grounds in New Zealand there's one long boundary and one short one on each side of the ground.
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You can't win at Kardinia. Field is too long in one direction and too narrow in the other. The pitch will look awkward regardless of position.
 
Grave Danger said:
Yes, that Munro dude is at it again - 78 off 36 so far, with 3x4 and 8x6

They're probably playing on rugby grounds though, where you could block a six.
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At least, it works for both sides.
 
Talk about how the mighty have fallen, although this happened in the 2016 season. Adam Voges scored 614 test runs before he was dismissed with 269*, 106* and 239. He scored 218 runs in his next 12 innings with one not out, one fifty(60), an average of 19.82 and his last five innings were 1, 27, 1, 0 and 2. Of his last 12 innings, 6 were in Sri Lanka and 4 were against South Africa in Australia.
 


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This bloody Ingram bloke from South Africa is useless T20 batter to bat at #4. They call him the bulldozer but he is more like a hand shovel.

15 (off 15 balls) 15 (15) and 23 (22) only 3 x 4's and 1 x 6 in those 3 innings.He hits the ball hard straight to the fielders too often. Tonight as I type he 20 off 18 but was 15 off 16 at the start of the over when we need more than 11 an over. If you are the international batting player you have to make an impact. 19 year old Rashid Khan is the bowling import player and he has done his job. He has bowled 4 overs every game and has taken 2/22, 2/22, 2/19 and tonight when Hobart made 183 he tool 2/18. So he has impacted by taking important wickets and bloody miserly economy bowling rate.
 
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The poms might have found a cricketer for their national team in a couple of years time after he qualifies. Jofra Archer from Barbados has moved to England and is playing for Surrey. He bowls bloody quickly and gets good boune. He looks about 195-200cm. He took a great catch on the boundary moving quickly to catch a big hit going for 6 and knowing he was going to step over the rope he nicely throws it up for his team mate to catch.

Profile from cricinfo.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/669855.html

Jofra Archer has rapidly become one of the most exciting young allrounders in English county cricket. Born in Barbados to an English father and Bajan mother, he is ambitious to follow his Sussex teammate Chris Jordan into the England side. It was Jordan who first alerted Sussex to Archer's talents after facing him in a net session in Barbados and his assessment that "the sky is the limit" has been borne out by batting and bowling spells of great promise.

It would be a seven-year qualification to play for England, not complete until 2022-23 which at the speed he is developing would deny international cricket of a gifted cricketer for around four years, frustration no doubt for West Indies cricket.

Archer, a silky fast bowler with a high action capable of speeds in the mid-80s and dangerous lower-middle order batsman, played for West Indies under 19s in 2013 but after suffering a serious back injury he slipped out of the Barbados system. Instead, he rallied while playing for Sussex's second XI and for Horsham in the Sussex Premier League.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
The poms might have found a cricketer for their national team in a couple of years. Jofra Archer from Barbados has moved to England and is playing for Surrey. He bowls bloody quickly and gets good boune. He looks about 195-200cm. He took a great catch on the boundary moving quickly to catch a big hit going for 6 and knowing he was going to step over the rope he nicely throws it up for his team mate to catch.
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Is Barbados considered West Indies?
 
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