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Macca43 said:
Not so, you have 1 tall against 7 defenders all those defenders can go to the one player and increase the odds of their success and there are tooo many uncontested defensive marks- you put a second tall into the mix you not only make the defenders cover both and increase the forwards odds of success but you make it easier for the under pressure mid to kick it to the advantage of one of his forwards.

Casboult and McKay paired with Pickett & Wright in the forward 50 with Fisher and C Curnow playing higher - now that is the future.
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I like the thought behind this post and think that you have exactly the right structure, however I think you have some of the wrong type of personnel.

IMHO you need to structure a modern forward line with the following:

2 talls : however they have to be mobile talls, that not only mark well, but are prepared to separate and work hard defensively as well as offensively. This splits the tall defenders, creates space and makes things difficult for the intercept marking backman.

2 medium forwards : one must be a smart lead lead-up forward that can use the space created by the constant movement (think Stevie J), and the other must be a threat from 50 to further stretch the zone.

1 elite small : must have pace, real crumbing ability and ferocious tackler.

For mine the way to way to beat a zone is to move it around and stretch out the space they need to cover.

So with that in mind I would go for a forward line of:

Talls - Kruz, Harry and CC. All mobile forwards that are a real danger to mark the pill if left one on one. Obviously Kruz would need to take all the centre bounces but I love the Idea of creating a mismatch with Charlie when Kruz needs a rest by having CC take the ruck around the ground.

Medium forwards - I like Jack as the leading forward, I think he's a genius at find space and getting free, if our mids lowered their eyes a bit he could have kicked 20 more goals last year. For the other forward I really like the idea of Cuners, Willo or Mullet in this role.

Small forward - I like any of Murph, Pickett, Garlett or Wright for this role.

Unfortunately for Caz, he just doesn't work hard enough up forward, or offer enough in the ruck to counteract this issue. These days you simply cannot have someone clogging up the space 30m out directly in front, and imo we would have a better forward line if he wasn't there drawing the ball to that spot.

anyway just my thoughts
 
CFCtragic said:
I like the thought behind this post and think that you have exactly the right structure, however I think you have some of the wrong type of personnel.

IMHO you need to structure a modern forward line with the following:

2 talls : however they have to be mobile talls, that not only mark well, but are prepared to separate and work hard defensively as well as offensively. This splits the tall defenders, creates space and makes things difficult for the intercept marking backman.

2 medium forwards : one must be a smart lead lead-up forward that can use the space created by the constant movement (think Stevie J), and the other must be a threat from 50 to further stretch the zone.

1 elite small : must have pace, real crumbing ability and ferocious tackler.

For mine the way to way to beat a zone is to move it around and stretch out the space they need to cover.

So with that in mind I would go for a forward line of:

Talls - Kruz, Harry and CC. All mobile forwards that are a real danger to mark the pill if left one on one. Obviously Kruz would need to take all the centre bounces but I love the Idea of creating a mismatch with Charlie when Kruz needs a rest by having CC take the ruck around the ground.

Medium forwards - I like Jack as the leading forward, I think he's a genius at find space and getting free, if our mids lowered their eyes a bit he could have kicked 20 more goals last year. For the other forward I really like the idea of Cuners, Willo or Mullet in this role.

Small forward - I like any of Murph, Pickett, Garlett or Wright for this role.

Unfortunately for Caz, he just doesn't work hard enough up forward, or offer enough in the ruck to counteract this issue. These days you simply cannot have someone clogging up the space 30m out directly in front, and imo we would have a better forward line if he wasn't there drawing the ball to that spot.

anyway just my thoughts
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Shit hot:clapping: and Ace!
 
CFCtragic said:
Unfortunately for Caz, he just doesn't work hard enough up forward, or offer enough in the ruck to counteract this issue. These days you simply cannot have someone clogging up the space 30m out directly in front, and imo we would have a better forward line if he wasn't there drawing the ball to that spot.
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Interesting approach, and one I hadn't considered.

Has Levi essentially been a crutch for our forward 50 entries in the last couple of years? How many times have our mids taken the easy option of "kick it high to Casboult" when there may have been other options available, and how would that have then influenced the workrate of our other forwards?

As far as your suggested set-up goes, it also makes a lot of sense. Athletic talls who can perform multiple roles, medium forwards who can mark and kick, and a dangerous small forward that punishes the opposition below the packs.

I disagree with the names you've put forward for the small forward spot, though. Murph is still at his best delivering the ball into the forward 50. Pickett and Garlett offer a lot of run and carry which is more valuable further up the ground. Wright actually plays a bit more like SOS in my view, he's a clever forward that finds space, not a goal-sneak/tackling machine. That being said, I don't think we have the ideal small forward on our list at present. Fisher displays a lot of the traits I'd like to see, but I do think he'll gradually move into the middle, and Lebois is yet to convince me he can stay involved enough to have an impact.

On my wishlist - someone in the mould of a Daniel Rioli, Paul Puopolo or Eddie Betts. Confidence (borderline arrogance) very high on the list of desired traits.
 

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Blue__Balls said:
Interesting approach, and one I hadn't considered.

Has Levi essentially been a crutch for our forward 50 entries in the last couple of years? How many times have our mids taken the easy option of "kick it high to Casboult" when there may have been other options available, and how would that have then influenced the workrate of our other forwards?

As far as your suggested set-up goes, it also makes a lot of sense. Athletic talls who can perform multiple roles, medium forwards who can mark and kick, and a dangerous small forward that punishes the opposition below the packs.

I disagree with the names you've put forward for the small forward spot, though. Murph is still at his best delivering the ball into the forward 50. Pickett and Garlett offer a lot of run and carry which is more valuable further up the ground. Wright actually plays a bit more like SOS in my view, he's a clever forward that finds space, not a goal-sneak/tackling machine. That being said, I don't think we have the ideal small forward on our list at present. Fisher displays a lot of the traits I'd like to see, but I do think he'll gradually move into the middle, and Lebois is yet to convince me he can stay involved enough to have an impact.

On my wishlist - someone in the mould of a Daniel Rioli, Paul Puopolo or Eddie Betts. Confidence (borderline arrogance) very high on the list of desired traits.
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Considering we now have one of the best forward coaches going around now it will be interesting to see if our defensive footskills can transfer to our forward space.
 
Has Kreuzer done much training with the forwards?

Really don't think playing forward is his thing, only seems dangerous when drifting forward when play is in the area.

Not a strong mark, arms seems too straight and end up behind his head when jumping at marks. If they fall short, it forces him to take the ball in front of his eyes where he is much more secure.
 
Jabba73 said:
Has Kreuzer done much training with the forwards?

Really don't think playing forward is his thing, only seems dangerous when drifting forward when play is in the area.

Not a strong mark, arms seems too straight and end up behind his head when jumping at marks. If they fall short, it forces him to take the ball in front of his eyes where he is much more secure.
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Yep, agreed
 
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CFCtragic said:
I like the thought behind this post and think that you have exactly the right structure, however I think you have some of the wrong type of personnel.

IMHO you need to structure a modern forward line with the following:

2 talls : however they have to be mobile talls, that not only mark well, but are prepared to separate and work hard defensively as well as offensively. This splits the tall defenders, creates space and makes things difficult for the intercept marking backman.

2 medium forwards : one must be a smart lead lead-up forward that can use the space created by the constant movement (think Stevie J), and the other must be a threat from 50 to further stretch the zone.

1 elite small : must have pace, real crumbing ability and ferocious tackler.

For mine the way to way to beat a zone is to move it around and stretch out the space they need to cover.

So with that in mind I would go for a forward line of:

Talls - Kruz, Harry and CC. All mobile forwards that are a real danger to mark the pill if left one on one. Obviously Kruz would need to take all the centre bounces but I love the Idea of creating a mismatch with Charlie when Kruz needs a rest by having CC take the ruck around the ground.

Medium forwards - I like Jack as the leading forward, I think he's a genius at find space and getting free, if our mids lowered their eyes a bit he could have kicked 20 more goals last year. For the other forward I really like the idea of Cuners, Willo or Mullet in this role.

Small forward - I like any of Murph, Pickett, Garlett or Wright for this role.

Unfortunately for Caz, he just doesn't work hard enough up forward, or offer enough in the ruck to counteract this issue. These days you simply cannot have someone clogging up the space 30m out directly in front, and imo we would have a better forward line if he wasn't there drawing the ball to that spot.

anyway just my thoughts
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Cracking post. Totally agree with the side note on Silvagni. Smart, finds space despite everyone calling him one paced. Jack is just waiting for a midfield that has enough presence to hit a target when going in the fwd half.
 

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HBF said:
It really is.
And now that he's had 12 months of footy under his belt I think we can expect to see him play some good footy this year.
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I can see him getting 15-20 possessions a game and 1-2 goals. Exactly what we need. He should tidy up his disposal efficiency with more game time, confidence and players trusting and running into space for his kick. He also could do with a more selfish streak that go alone.
 

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AndyWalkersGirl said:
Had grand plans on going but unfortunately my body had other plans and I ended up in the ward on obs. I was most disappointed because I planned on taking pics and doing a big report :)
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That is not very good. Hope everything is ok now AWG.
 
AndyWalkersGirl said:
Had grand plans on going but unfortunately my body had other plans and I ended up in the ward on obs. I was most disappointed because I planned on taking pics and doing a big report :)
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Noble thoughts but priorities elsewhere ATM AWG, hope all is well.
 

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