MCG to host GF through to 2057

[HTT]

No its not. The USA has 250 millionpeople and a huge demand for Superbowl tickets, which is what drives the ticket price. If you had the AFL grand final in Perth, I would expect the ticket prices to be ~30% more expensive. No big deal, it would still sell out.

And thanks for pointing out another inequity - people from Melbourne can get into the game for less than $400 - It would cost me $1000 - $2000 including travel & hotel

So we minimise the risk of having people have to pay to get here. The statistical chance of Victorian club vs Victorian club (no travel) in the GF is 29%. Victorian vs interstate (half the fans travel) is 52%, and interstate vs interstate (all fans travel) is 19%.
Compare that to if the GF was in one of the four states with two clubs
Home state vs Home state (no travel): <1%
Home state vs Interstate (half travel): 21%
Interstate vs Interstate (all travel): 78%

So by having it away from Victoria, you quadruple the chance off all fans travelling, and the chance of no fans travelling is cut out entirely. Bit of a no-brainer as to which is best.

 

[HTT]

Let's see who pulled "facts" out of their arse. You linked to an article from 2014, before the Minnesota stadium was even built. Official attendance at the 2018 superbowl, according to the NFL, was ~ 67,600. http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/57500/NE_Gamebook.pdf Looking back at the last 10 to 15 superbowls, most attendance has been in the 67k - 75k range, with a couple of outliers. But that's not the point - the point is that having a massive 100K+ crowd is not a precondition to the NFL and is not required for it to be a spectacle.

All stadiums have had a capacity of 70k. Whether or not it sells out is unrelated. We sell out a 100k stadium all the time for it. And even the 67k mark you post is not reached by any other stadium in Australia. Don't whinge to the AFL if your state government didn't build a big enough stadium.

 

[Established1870]

No stadium is big enough to hold the GF aside from the MCG. Can't really whinge about that one surely.

 

[kidstyler]

All stadiums have had a capacity of 70k. Whether or not it sells out is unrelated. We sell out a 100k stadium all the time for it. And even the 67k mark you post is not reached by any other stadium in Australia. Don't whinge to the AFL if your state government didn't build a big enough stadium.

What incentive does those state governments have to build a larger stadiums when they can never bid to host the AFL grand final?

Chicken or the egg

Maybe don't sign 40 year+ contracts ...

 

[kidstyler]

No stadium is big enough to hold the GF aside from the MCG. Can't really whinge about that one surely.

100 thousand people watching the game at the ground vs the millions watching on TV. What do you think is worth more in revenue to the AFL?

 

[HTT]

What incentive does those state governments have to build a larger stadiums when they can never bid to host the AFL grand final?

Chicken or the egg

Maybe don't sign 40 year+ contracts ...

Ask the AFL before building an inadequate stadium. The AFL has probably realised there isn’t going to be a big stadium in Perth or Adelaide in the next 39 years, so they’ve taken the opportunity to extend the contract that was already going to be extended, and eek out some funding from the Victorian government to make the match day experience at the G and Etihad better. Not sure how you can argue that it’s not a smart business move.

 

[kidstyler]

Ask the AFL before building an inadequate stadium. The AFL has probably realised there isn’t going to be a big stadium in Perth or Adelaide in the next 39 years, so they’ve taken the opportunity to extend the contract that was already going to be extended, and eek out some funding from the Victorian government to make the match day experience at the G and Etihad better. Not sure how you can argue that it’s not a smart business move.

Signing a 40 year contract is always a dumb business decision since a lot can change in 40 years. Does the AFL sign 40 year TV rights deals?

The AFL could easily have gotten more out of the Victorian government if they chose to renegotiate the deal closer to the original contract ending. Also technically since Victoria is a GST moocher state in lah federation, WA is paying for this as well.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

100 thousand people watching the game at the ground vs the millions watching on TV. What do you think is worth more in revenue to the AFL?

Millions will watch on TV regardless of where it is. only at the G can you get 100k+ people in attendance.

AFL would make a decent level of cash out of the attendance, as do all clubs as they each get an allocation to sell.

To me, it makes sense to always have it as the G. Seen as the home of football, largest stadium, easy access, close to the city etc etc.

However, I was surprised that the AFL rubber stamped it. I guess having the redevelopment of Etihad/docklands proved too much to knock back

 

[HTT]

Signing a 40 year contract is always a dumb business decision since a lot can change in 40 years. Does the AFL sign 40 year TV rights deals?

The AFL could easily have gotten more out of the Victorian government if they chose to renegotiate the deal closer to the original contract ending. Also technically since Victoria is a GST moocher state in lah federation, WA is paying for this as well.

How likely is there to be a stadium bigger than what we have now in the next 40 years?
Can’t see SA or WA doing anything
NSW are making the only ground that could a permanent rectangle
QLD didn’t upgrade Metricon for the comm games, can’t see them doing it for a sport they don’t care about

The AFL has lost the small chance for a better alternative in the next 39 years, but gained massive funding from the Victorian State government.

 

[kidstyler]

Millions will watch on TV regardless of where it is. only at the G can you get 100k+ people in attendance.

AFL would make a decent level of cash out of the attendance, as do all clubs as they each get an allocation to sell.

To me, it makes sense to always have it as the G. Seen as the home of football, largest stadium, easy access, close to the city etc etc.

However, I was surprised that the AFL rubber stamped it. I guess having the redevelopment of Etihad/docklands proved too much to knock back

To me, moving the grand final around Australia makes its fair (since its currently certain clubs home ground) as well as promoting the competition as a truly national game. Instead its now stuck in the most over saturated market for AFL where growth in revenue will be low for decades.

The more fans you would gain from moving the grand final interstate would easily make up for the loss of 20k -30k in 1 games revenue.

 

[kidstyler]

How likely is there to be a stadium bigger than what we have now in the next 40 years?
Can’t see SA or WA doing anything
NSW are making the only ground that could a permanent rectangle
QLD didn’t upgrade Metricon for the comm games, can’t see them doing it for a sport they don’t care about

The AFL has lost the small chance for a better alternative in the next 39 years, but gained massive funding from the Victorian State government.

They don't care about the sport because the sport doesn't care about them!

The AFL wont grow the game making decision like this especially in markets like QLD and NSW.

The champions league final is in Kiev at a 70,000 seat stadium.

 

[HTT]

They don't care about the sport because the sport doesn't care about them!

The AFL wont grow the game making decision like this especially in markets like QLD and NSW.

The champions league final is in Kiev at a 70,000 seat stadium.

QLD don’t care about sport in general.

And that’s cool. We could have the GF in Kiev.

 

[kranky al]

Ask the AFL before building an inadequate stadium. The AFL has probably realised there isn’t going to be a big stadium in Perth or Adelaide in the next 39 years, so they’ve taken the opportunity to extend the contract that was already going to be extended, and eek out some funding from the Victorian government to make the match day experience at the G and Etihad better. Not sure how you can argue that it’s not a smart business move.

Sorry i just have to jump back in here

As far as smart business moves go - the grand final is valued at around 120 million dollars a year to victoria - conservatively.

By 2059 it will be worth close to a billion dollars a year with inflation and what not.


Governments build stadiums (as seen in perth and adelaide) for regular footy

In 2034 the afl could have taken the gf to the interstate governments and said - how much will you pay for it?

Then taken that answer to the victorian government and said this us what they will pay - how much are you offering.

And actually got something for it - serious coin.

I doubt a government that refused to oay anything and lost the granny would survive in victoria.

Instead the eddiefl were so panicked at the whispers that interstate gfs might occur - they signed it all away for stuff the government regularly gives them for nothing anyway.


Its not often you hear about the government pulling a swifty over private enterprise - but this ones an absolute doozy.

20 years at 120 million a year is 2.4 billion dollars (not taking into account inflation)

The afl just got sold some glass beads for 2.4 billion.

*slow claps

 

[HTT]

Sorry i just have to jump back in here

As far as smart business moves go - the grand final is valued at around 120 million dollars a year to victoria - conservatively.

By 2059 it will be worth close to a billion dollars a year with inflation and what not.


Governments build stadiums (as seen in perth and adelaide) for regular footy

In 2034 the afl could have taken the gf to the interstate governments and said - how much will you pay for it?

Then taken that answer to the victorian government and said this us what they will pay - how much are you offering.

And actually got something for it - serious coin.

I doubt a government that refused to oay anything and lost the granny would survive in victoria.

Instead the eddiefl were so panicked at the whispers that interstate gfs might occur - they signed it all away for stuff the government regularly gives them for nothing anyway.


Its not often you hear about the government pulling a swifty over private enterprise - but this ones an absolute doozy.

20 years at 120 million a year is 2.4 billion dollars (not taking into account inflation)

The afl just got sold some glass beads for 2.4 billion.

*slow claps

The grand final won’t move to stadiums the size of AO and “we can upgrade to 70k” stadium. How big would you need? Better ask the AFL. Then convince your state government to build one that size in the next 30 years so it can be a serious chance to hold a GF. Then we can have a bidding war.

 

[kidstyler]

Come on Harry, you're an obvious 1 eyed Victorian.

Even if Perth build a larger stadium than Melbourne the GF wouldn't move, because capacity arguments are debunked.

 

[redglare]

How likely is there to be a stadium bigger than what we have now in the next 40 years?
Can’t see SA or WA doing anything
NSW are making the only ground that could a permanent rectangle
QLD didn’t upgrade Metricon for the comm games, can’t see them doing it for a sport they don’t care about

The AFL has lost the small chance for a better alternative in the next 39 years, but gained massive funding from the Victorian State government.

You've entirely missed the point - again. Its not a given that the GF must be held in a 100,000 seat stadium, or even the biggest stadium in Australia. It can be a spectacle in a significantly smaller stadium, as has been amply demonstrated in other sporting codes around the world.

As kidstyler has alluded to, the benefits of hosting the GF outside of Melbourne would be be massive for growth - especially if it were in Sydney - a far greater benefit that the revenue form an extra 30,000 seats once per year.

Locking in the GF to to MCG for 40 years is a stupid business decision. It certainly won't help the chances of other cities investing in bigger stadiums, it is unfair, and it will hamper growth - which is why in my opinion the AFL had no right to do it.

 

[skipper kelly]

Come on Harry, you're an obvious 1 eyed Victorian.

Even if Perth build a larger stadium than Melbourne the GF wouldn't move, because capacity arguments are debunked.

It's either 'crowd size' or 'home of football'.

Gill sold out the national comp, simple.

 

[kidstyler]

The AFL grand final - Home of the Melbourne circle jerk.

 

[kranky al]

The grand final won’t move to stadiums the size of AO and “we can upgrade to 70k” stadium. How big would you need? Better ask the AFL. Then convince your state government to build one that size in the next 30 years so it can be a serious chance to hold a GF. Then we can have a bidding war.

Noone will build it when the moment you get close - they sign it up so it cant be moved for 40 years


But dont let that distract you from my point which is that the afl just signed away 2.4 billion worth of benefit to victoria

For nothing



Nada


Nil


Wood ducks

 

[HTT]

Noone will build it when the moment you get close - they sign it up so it cant be moved for 40 years


But dont let that distract you from my point which is that the afl just signed away 2.4 billion worth of benefit to victoria

For nothing



Nada


Nil


Wood ducks

Ya know you can like ask the AFL right? Say ‘hey how many seats do we need to have a shot at the GF?’

 

[HTT]

Come on Harry, you're an obvious 1 eyed Victorian.

Even if Perth build a larger stadium than Melbourne the GF wouldn't move, because capacity arguments are debunked.

Well we’ll never find out until they do it, will we. If the people of Perth want a GF, I suggest they lobby their government to build a new stadium that’s big enough.

 

[HTT]

It's either 'crowd size' or 'home of football'.

South Australian Gill sold out the national comp, simple.

Don’t forget the important bit

 

[skipper kelly]

Don’t forget the important bit

Regardless of where he is from he sold out the national comp.

 

[kidstyler]

Well we’ll never find out until they do it, will we. If the people of Perth want a GF, I suggest they lobby their government to build a new stadium that’s big enough.

You're still stuck on stadium size.

 

[HTT]

You're still stuck on stadium size.

Well that’s about the only reason you don’t have it