Bluemour Discussion Thread IX

[Masqualero]

Well there's that, along with the fact that SOS has a good relationship with him and Judd has been in his ear.

The only tangible advantage we might have over alot of clubs is cap space, everything else is circumstantial and while those things may influence the outcome, I doubt would be the cause.

He wouldn't turn down an extra 200 at a team with a better shot at a flag just because Judd was in his ear.

It'd be awesome if he loves Carlton so much he would take unders to join a developing side, but I think that sort of thing is very, very rare.

 

[DangerousD]

Kennedy Darling Waterman

One of those is a leading full forward and Daring a CHF

Hogan McDonald Weideman Fritsch

Rarely have they all played together and have been smashed today in the media for getting their structures/match ups wrong.

Cameron Lobb Patton

Lobb is a ruckman and Cameron and Patton are totally different players.

By all reports and the way posters are describing Luko he sounds like the same type of FWD as Charlie which imo is not good for team structure, game plan, balance.

 

[Arr0w]

Of course he did, most journos do that to make their articles more interesting.

I think if Silvagni actually said what he claims he'd have those words in quotes, otherwise, why did he use quotation marks at all? Why not just omit quotation marks altogether if they are pointless?

Until I hear, or read a quote with SOS stating that we will be looking to offload pick #1 for ready made players, I'm not going to buy into it.

The multiple layers will need to HEAVILY be in our favour for it to happen. GWS aren't going to offer what we want, they're trying to win a flag next year and losing Shiel alone would be a big blow to their chances.

You know as well as I do, that SOS will field all offers and I agree with you, I doubt we will trade an early pick, to shuffle back to a mid first

I agree, they would be mad to trade Shiel, but if he desperately wants out, anything could happen

 

[bendigoblues]

You should be a list mangler Terry Wallace approves of this post!

I think I should too, I would be amazing at it.

I would set a path and stick to it.

 

[AceAndy]

I think we need to peel back the layers with this one. My feel is that privately, we've been told 'no pick'. And to be honest, taking my blue tinged glasses off I understand why.

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Absolutely spot on KohPhi

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Nick wasn't that contested either ODN, most of his record breaking tally was out working players

Edited

Uncontested marks 3612
Contested marks 645

336 games, less than 2 contested marks a game

That's around the same average as Jonathan Brown.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

You know as well as I do, that SOS will field all offers and I agree with you, I doubt we will trade an early pick, to shuffle back to a mid first

I agree, they would be mad to trade Shiel, but if he desperately wants out, anything could happen

Really can't see him desperately wanting out this year. Like I've been saying, there's too many logical reasons as to why he won't.

 

[Blueboys11]

I think we need to peel back the layers with this one. My feel is that privately, we've been told 'no pick'. And to be honest, taking my blue tinged glasses off I understand why.

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If we finish with 1 win and a percentage in the 60’s, and don’t qualify (combined with our prior seasons), I’d struggle to see how any club could possibly qualify going forward.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Well Blue_sunday I stand corrected. Option 2 is a realistic possibility and if anything, one that I wish we could pull off. SOS get onto it, our pick #1 + our 2019 1st for #2 + #3 this year. Smith and Rankine combo becomes very possible.

Leave aside Shiel for the moment. If we have 1 and Gold Coast have 2 & 3 (for losing Lynch) they will be absolutely desperate to get a Lynch replacement (Lukosios) whereas in terms of need we want mids and small forwards. They also have 3 firsts, 2 seconds and three thirds from memory,

We have an unspoken understanding that they are going to take Lukosios. We swap pick 1 for pick 2 and ?? another pick (maybe their second @20) or if they are desperate enough 2 and Ainsworth. We pick the best mid and walk away laughing.

 

[Arr0w]

That's around the same average as Jonathan Brown.

You are right, but slightly more contested in terms of ratio, Riewoldt 1/7, Brown 1/5

Contested 490
Uncontested 2061

256 games

 

[Dadda Dave]

You know as well as I do, that SOS will field all offers and I agree with you, I doubt we will trade an early pick, to shuffle back to a mid first

I agree, they would be mad to trade Shiel, but if he desperately wants out, anything could happen

A second rounder and Os'hea as a sweetner ...get it done SOS..

 

[Arr0w]

A second rounder and Os'hea as a sweetner ...get it done SOS..

We would all be stunned Dave !!

 

[PrinceCharles]

So Andy Maher went with the sneaky leak today about the ‘Dayne Beams wanting back to Melbourne’ rumour that just won’t go away...

He’s on the money!!

No thanks

 

[ForYouBlue]

I just.....

It’s ok thy, this is a safe space. I’m here for you, you can say it Xx

 

[DangerousD]

Then trade pick 3 for Shiel and 9

On what planet would a club in finals contention trade out a top 10 pick in a great (supposedly) draft and a player who is a gun for a 6 spot pick upgrade?

 

[Bluechip66]

Nick wasn't that contested either ODN, most of his record breaking tally was out working players

Edited

Uncontested marks 3612
Contested marks 645

336 games, less than 2 contested marks a game

Tbh the majority of players don’t average more than 2 contested marks
Usually only 8 players a year average just over that....but I know what mean

 

[DangerousD]

What happens if Carlton beat Brisbane, Brisbane beat GC and Carlton best GC. We could end up 3rd last and potentially be getting pick 4.

Lukosius
King
Walsh
Smith???
King???
Hately???
rankine??? - probably stays in Adelaide.
Taylor??? - we haven’t got a player like him on our list
Rozzee??? - ditto

Brisbane are quite a fair way ahead of us percentage wise. I can see us getting off the bottom but not above the Lions.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Nick wasn't that contested either ODN, most of his record breaking tally was out working players

Edited

Uncontested marks 3612
Contested marks 645

336 games, less than 2 contested marks a game

That's pretty good actually.

Levi Casboult 2.13
Rory Lobb 2.09
Travis Cloke 2.04
Tom Lynch 2.02
Tom Hawkins 1.94
Nick Riewoldt 1.92
Jonathan Brown 1.91
Brennan Cox 1.83
Jesse Hogan 1.78
Ben Brown 1.77
Charlie Curnow 1.74
Joe Daniher 1.74
Mason Cox 1.70
Jack Riewoldt 1.64
Charlie Dixon 1.62
Lance Franklin 1.61
Jack Darling 1.49
Jonathan Patton 1.46
Josh Kennedy 1.45
Cale Hooker 1.39
Taylor Walker 1.38
Jarrad Waite 1.31
Josh Jenkins 1.23
Mitch McGovern 1.23
Jarryd Roughead 1.12

In this case it isn't contested marks as a percentage of overall marks that counts but average contested marks. The fact that Riewoldt's tank means he gets to take more uncontested marks than others shouldn't count against him.

 

[Arr0w]

Tbh the majority of players don’t average more than 2 contested marks
Usually only 8 players a year average just over that....but I know what mean

Very true, anything over 2 is exceptional

 

[Arr0w]

That's pretty good actually.

Levi Casboult 2.13
Rory Lobb 2.09
Travis Cloke 2.04
Tom Lynch 2.02
Tom Hawkins 1.94
Nick Riewoldt 1.92
Brennan Cox 1.83
Jesse Hogan 1.78
Ben Brown 1.77
Charlie Curnow 1.74
Joe Daniher 1.74
Mason Cox 1.70
Jack Riewoldt 1.64
Charlie Dixon 1.62
Lance Franklin 1.61
Jack Darling 1.49
Jonathan Patton 1.46
Josh Kennedy 1.45
Cale Hooker 1.39
Taylor Walker 1.38
Jarrad Waite 1.31
Josh Jenkins 1.23
Mitch McGovern 1.23
Jarryd Roughead 1.12

Most are under 2 a game average, (well done Levi by the way), which is also an indication where the game is heading

 

[Blue_Fusion]

You are right, but slightly more contested in terms of ratio, Riewoldt 1/7, Brown 1/5

Contested 490
Uncontested 2061

256 games

When am I ever wrong?

On a serious note though, was referring more to the CM/G. Nick is 1.919, ever so slightly above Brown at 1.914. Both of which are actually very, very good ratios.

 

[DangerousD]

Why no love for Sloane as a FA?

Great player.
Good character.
Good leader.
Great help for Cripps.
Allow Dow, Kennedy and others to come in to a team with less pressure.
No need to trade.
Would get 3-4 seasons out of him.
2 years younger than Murph.
Would give Adelaide an extra 1st round pick if we were trying to trade with them.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Why no love for Sloane as a FA?

Great player.
Good character.
Good leader.
Great help for Cripps.
Allow Dow, Kennedy and others to come in to a team with less pressure.
No need to trade.
Would get 3-4 seasons out of him.
2 years younger than Murph.
Would give Adelaide an extra 1st round pick if we were trying to trade with them.

I don't think he will leave.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Most are under 2 a game average, (well done Levi by the way), which is also an indication where the game is heading

It is an indication of where the game has been really. When was Nick's draft? 2001? We're not going back to the one on one days of Tony Lockett any time soon.

The only point I was making is that in comparing Lukosius to Riewoldt, we have to ignore Riewoldt's strong hands in contested situations. JL is more of a two grabber who will contort his body to finish the mark.

 

[bigm386]

Really hope Kerr does re-sign. I rate him.

Also it's interesting considering how poor we have been we haven't really lost any players we wanted to keep. You could say Betts but the spuds at the time seemed happy to lose him.