Roast The Chronicles of Alan Richardson

[ScrappyDo]

How does that help?
Still lacking on field leadership.
Getting rid of Richo doesn't make that change.
There is a reason the likes of Brisbane went after Hodge. Leadership. For what ever reason for all the years playing under Roo Joey Demspter and co not one has stepped up to the plate since. I see that as an indictment on the players themselves.

Not a compelling argument Shags.

Brizzy got Hodge in because Chris Fagan realized he could use the help with development. Something Cho failed to notice.
And you're happy to indite some 22yo's who've never known another AFL coach/system, but the man who's paid to develop them gets off scott free??
It's getting ridiculous now.
Are we to believe there's some grand culmination of bad development, dumb players, bad fixture, mental weakness, bad recruiting, inept assistants, blah blah blah, excuse, excuse, excuse, all just popped its head up this year, completely out of the blue. And it's nothing to do with the guy who's there to administrate the whole thing?
Is it so hard to believe that the least inspiring man on earth can't inspire a playing group?

 

[SaintRick88]

One thing that plays into it I think is that we’d get the run of the field moving him on this year. No other senior coach opportunities in the AFL this year you’d think...

 

[Circus]

How does that help?
Still lacking on field leadership.
Getting rid of Richo doesn't make that change.
There is a reason the likes of Brisbane went after Hodge. Leadership. For what ever reason for all the years playing under Roo Joey Demspter and co not one has stepped up to the plate since. I see that as an indictment on the players themselves.

I think we do have leaders, or potential leaders in the team but who aren't being allowed to "lead" or take the initiative. Steele I have mentioned. Seems like he is a hard case with high expectations of himself. Bruce shows fight despite his limitations. Membrey looks like he could direct a forward line. Hickey has a lot of passion, ignore what he can't do well (he simply doesn't have the body size) but he could be very creative, he gets to where the ball is a lot.

I would challenge both Billings and Gresh to step up, take responsibility and ownership and bring their teammates into the game. No more Mr Showtime stuff.

Maybe Ross could take more of a hands on role with Stuv as setting the standard.

Roberton is a huge loss, the most intelligent and creative of our backs. Can only see Carlisle and Webster as back half leaders. But they have to want that responsibility.

Marshall, Battle, Clark and Coffield all look as if they can develop into those types of characters. Long too in another season.

Newnes, Savage, Armo, Dunstan, Geary etc won't, or shouldn't, be there long enough to hold those roles in a formal sense. None have been able to show enough consistent leadership over any length of time. Too many times they have barely justified selection.

Again, I go back to coaching, development, mentoring, however you want to define it. Off field and on field leadership is lacking in the club. The big stuff is in the wrong hands.

We've got a lot of good players who are not being coached and developed properly. They are not stupid, they know exactly what is happening and what is not. They have contacts and networks. Why would they stay if the status quo doesn't change?

 

[StCicatriz]

InB4.... “But but but.... Richmond backed & Hardwick & they won a flag”....

i'm sick to death of hearing about richmond. its to the point now you hear more about what richmond have done when the powers that be (Finnis and Lethlean) talk about why we are making decisions at our club.

richmond has literally zero relevance to what we are doing. absolutely none. its a completely different club with a completely different scenario.

yet again we are completely obsessed with the last premier. you watch, if a different club wins the flag this year, all next off-season and next year, all you will hear about is what they did and then applied to what we are doing. like somehow our club knows what internally happened at another club.

 

[bird_man]

Saturday was the first game I've seen live all year and I've gotta say, that was one insipid coaching performance.

You cannot blame our list for that dog shit that was served up, we are better than that.

 

[triggering bro]

i'm sick to death of hearing about richmond. its to the point now you hear more about what richmond have done when the powers that be (Finnis and Lethlean) talk about why we are making decisions at our club.

richmond has literally zero relevance to what we are doing. absolutely none. its a completely different club with a completely different scenario.

yet again we are completely obsessed with the last premier. you watch, if a different club wins the flag this year, all next off-season and next year, all you will hear about is what they did and then applied to what we are doing. like somehow our club knows what internally happened at another club.

Our club has no leaders only followers. Richo banged on about the Bulldogs rebuild & winning a flag, now the club is harping on about the Tigers & Pies succeeding by changing assistant coaches. Just full of excuses if you ask me.

IMO if the club retains Richo & continues to trot out the same line about players underperforming then we are about to witness a mass player exodus. Seriously, why would they remain at a club that doesn’t provide an environment for them to flourish in & continues to lay blame on them? Acres, Billings & Dunstan just off the top of my head will request a trade IMO, with more to follow.

 

[StCicatriz]

Our club has no leaders only followers. Richo banged on about the Bulldogs rebuild & winning a flag, now the club is harping on about the Tigers & Pies succeeding by changing assistant coaches. Just full of excuses if you ask me.

IMO if the club retains Richo & continues to trot out the same line about players underperforming then we are about to witness a mass player exodus. Seriously, why would they remain at a club that doesn’t provide an environment for them to flourish in & continues to lay blame on them? Acres, Billings & Dunstan just off the top of my head will request a trade IMO, with more to follow.

spot on

i cannot stomach the thought of the pies or melbourne winning another flag before us. or adeaide or wce. **** god forbid freo snag one before we do.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Ben Dixon has quit as goal kicking coach at St Kilda to take on a coaching role with the Australian Olympic Archery Team [emoji41]

 

[VDS66]

The character angle is the big thing for me. Cho has somewhere in his life turned himself into a characterless bland rice cracker of a man, and he's the effing roll model for our young potential leaders. And Gears (bless his boots) is just not leader material. These guys by their very presents are preventing the natural leaders from blossoming. Cho talks about wanting the next leaders to step up, but he defines the parameters based on his own deficiencies which are not conducive to genuine leadership in the first place. He doesn't take risks and pitches at the lowest common denominator, and won't back his boys in a scrap. Those are not the hallmarks of a leader, but a loser.

So much character... So little flags... Or grand finals for that matter.

Where was that character in the 05 Prelim?

Give me a spell. Talk about nostalgia gone wild.

Best era was under Lyon... Period.

 

[ScrappyDo]

So much character... So little flags... Or grand finals for that matter.

Where was that character in the 05 Prelim?

Give me a spell. Talk about nostalgia gone wild.

Best era was under Lyon... Period.

Are you stroppy coz I said I liked GT's brand of football?

 

[kkgm07]

In all seriousness how many people do we need to spill the board, we have the wrong people in from top to bottom. It’s all unacceptable we need a board that will hold the club and the coaches accountable. How this club still has Richo in charge is beyond me, money to payout is not the issue we need a restructure of the whole club or we won’t have a club soon in the future with whatvim guessing will be a 30-40% drop off in the membership numbers.

We need to get some ex players, coaches and business minded people from strong backgrounds that will hold every level accountable. Sam Mitchell should be the top of that list to start, he would walk into our club and look in disgust I bet at our training methods, game plan, accountability, sacrificial efforts and that’s just the playing group. Could you imagine what a hawks board would have said when dare coffee came up to them and asked if they could desecrate their song.. 25 year member and never been so disheartened and had such little hope for the clubs future.

 

[Rors]

We've got a lot of good players who are not being coached and developed properly. They are not stupid, they know exactly what is happening and what is not. They have contacts and networks. Why would they stay if the status quo doesn't change?

And this point is exactly why I have a feeling that Billings & Acres will request a trade at years end.

Blake last 2 weeks have been awful, but in these 2 games, lets have a look at what he's been asked to do:
- half forward
- key forward
- wing
- midfield
- relief ruckman
- half back flank
- centre half back (when Carlisle went into the ruck)

Now, sure, injuries forced some of those changes in the Doggies game just gone, but FMD, it's not realistic to expect a bloke to play well when he has 7 roles in 2 games coming back from a 9 week injury spell. The injuries in the Doggies game clearly showed that we completely ****ed up at the selection table & that's 100% on the coaches. We're a very poor team, so as a rule we should go back to the bare basics of set up:

- 6 forwards (2 KPs with 1 being a resting ruck; 2 crumbers - high & low; 1 creative half forward; 1 mid size marking forward)
- 6 mids (ruckman; 2 rovers - 1 of them possibly in a run with role; 1 centreman; 2 wings)
- 6 defenders (2 KPs; 1 medium defender; 1 interceptor to roll off; 1 small defensive oriented type; 1 attacking HBFer)

Further to this, blind freddy can see over the last 4 years that our forward line functions best when there is 2 key talls & then Membrey, but we seem to have this fascination that we need to go small because Richmond & the Dogs won flags by going small. This makes no sense - we are no where near a flag... we're nowhere near finals even. Dont copy another team & try to force something to work, use what works best for the group & develop it accordingly. Coach the team to lower the eyes & hit up a lead. If its congested down there, get the smalls out of there like all the top 8 teams do & have the smalls run I50 with the flight of the ball to the leading player who is more likely to take a mark because we've created space for him. If the ball then hits the deck from a spoil, the crumbers are there ready with more space around them as well. It's not rocket science. Stop the low % hot spot kick.... It's been 3-4 year of doing it & the results speak for themselves - teams just wait for it & pick it off!

Our backline has always functions best when we have either of Savage, Webster or Robbo get loose & use their footy nous or kicking ability to set up play going forward. Since Robbo has had his heart issue, our backline has been changed up to allow Geary to be the loose in defence & be the man to set up our forward thrusts. Honestly, which idiot came up with that idea FFS?! The one bloke who is an absolute liability by foot & has very average footy smarts should not be anywhere near this role.

As for our midfield. You see at a stoppage, we gain possession & its a quick handball backwards to a stationary player, who is under the pump, who then handballs back again to another stationary player. Where is the forward movement? Where are the runners charging in waves? We are so predictable & opposition teams thrive on this. To be blunt, we do it on a budget, because we know that somewhere along that chain, it will breakdown with a turnover & we'll be burnt the other way, so we try to keep some protection.

Go back to basics for the last 3 games. Get moving, take risks, play on instinct & gut feel. Pick blokes that can actually hit a target by foot & kick a goal FFS!

 

[AirWinmar]

Dont think i have ever posted on here, but just watched the replay am in shock.. i have backed richo in mainly because we know how the saints coaching merry go round goes. We will get rid of him and then chance it on another untried coach which will be a 50/50. Plus they made a decision to extend the contract so i think they need to live with it and do what they can to fix it being were not a rich club.
That game was really bad, i sense that between richos coaching and geary captaining the side their may be fracturing amongst the playing group. Some selfish play, and a few who looked disinterested not even manning the mark with intent at times. This i havent seen from a saints team in other years.
I think our list is good enough, but they need to regroup after the season and work things out, they look like a shadow of the team last year and its basically the same list. The coaching against wb was an embarrassment - put your highest ball winner and goal scorer and best using mid as a sweeper in defence?? Ben Dixon as a boandary commentator not even knowing our players range was another embarrassment- they must have got him mixed up with tory dockson at wb ffs.we look completely confused on the field, not sure to play zone or man and getting caught in nomans land. Imagine a player having an onfield argument and laughing at their coach if it was, buckley/malthouse/clarkson/scott bros? Rant over!

 

[AirWinmar]

And this point is exactly why I have a feeling that Billings & Acres will request a trade at years end.

Blake last 2 weeks have been awful, but in these 2 games, lets have a look at what he's been asked to do:
- half forward
- key forward
- wing
- midfield
- relief ruckman
- half back flank
- centre half back (when Carlisle went into the ruck)

Now, sure, injuries forced some of those changes in the Doggies game just gone, but FMD, it's not realistic to expect a bloke to play well when he has 7 roles in 2 games coming back from a 9 week injury spell. The injuries in the Doggies game clearly showed that we completely ****ed up at the selection table & that's 100% on the coaches. We're a very poor team, so as a rule we should go back to the bare basics of set up:

- 6 forwards (2 KPs with 1 being a resting ruck; 2 crumbers - high & low; 1 creative half forward; 1 mid size marking forward)
- 6 mids (ruckman; 2 rovers - 1 of them possibly in a run with role; 1 centreman; 2 wings)
- 6 defenders (2 KPs; 1 medium defender; 1 interceptor to roll off; 1 small defensive oriented type; 1 attacking HBFer)

Further to this, blind freddy can see over the last 4 years that our forward line functions best when there is 2 key talls & then Membrey, but we seem to have this fascination that we need to go small because Richmond & the Dogs won flags by going small. This makes no sense - we are no where near a flag... we're nowhere near finals even. Dont copy another team & try to force something to work, use what works best for the group & develop it accordingly. Coach the team to lower the eyes & hit up a lead. If its congested down there, get the smalls out of there like all the top 8 teams do & have the smalls run I50 with the flight of the ball. Stop the low % hot spot kick.... It's been 3-4 year of doing it & the results speak for themselves - teams just wait for it & pick it off!

Our backline has always functions best when we have either of Savage, Webster or Robbo get loose & use their footy nous or kicking ability to set up play going forward. Since Robbo has had his heart issue, our backline has been changed up to allow Geary to be the loose in defence & be the man to set up our forward thrusts. Honestly, which idiot came up with that idea FFS?! The one bloke who is an absolute liability by foot & has very average footy smarts should not be anywhere near this role.

As for our midfield. You see at a stoppage, we gain possession & its a quick handball backwards to a stationary player, who is under the pump, who then handballs back again to another stationary player. Where is the forward movement? Where are the runners charging in waves? We are so predictable & opposition teams thrive on this. To be blunt, we do it on a budget, because we know that somewhere along that chain, it will breakdown with a turnover & we'll be burnt the other way, so we try to keep some protection.

Go back to basics for the last 3 games. Get moving, take risks, play on instinct & gut feel. Pick blokes that can actually hit a target by foot & kick a goal FFS!

Longer would be beter as loose in defence ffs!! They had JJ, we had Geary - haha. Gearys a leg, but hes no bloody darren jarman!!

 

[tbarker]

That may be true, but he was the consummate professional in everything he did. He was around the club enough for it to rub off, pretty sure they would all have wanted to impress him/ been in awe of him. On field he was certainly the leader, was demanding of himself and others.

We all used to get frustrated with him demanding the ball and the “kick it to Roo” thing especially when he was battling at the end, but no question he and Joey were running the show on field and in the locker room etc.

The collapse without them has been absolutely telling, and that’s at the feet of the club who (like most of us) underestimatedwhat would happen. The difference is it shouldn’t have shocked the club, they would know the characters of the players we have there. At the very least Joey should have gone on and captained for one year.

Just look what what happened in the final minute of that Port game. No way they would have let that loose set up happen had they been playing that game, and the players had obviously not been coached for that scenario.

The proof of the pudding etc....

Good call. I recall a comment by Richo (i think) where he said that the new leaders were actually feeling "released" with the departures of Rooey and Joey because they could stamp their own mark on the team. I read it to mean that blokes demanding excellence had left and allowed them all to fart about like unaccountable children.

 

[StCicatriz]

it won't get to that point, new boards are hard to come by.

just don't renew your membership, email or call the club and inform them why. enough people do that and i doubt the current plan of keeping richo, sexton and kingsley comes to fruition.

 

[Rors]

This may sound ridiculous, but I always gauge a team on how switched on & well drilled they are by whether or not they are doing 'star jumps' when manning the mark.... The best teams always do this & it drives hunger & energy through the group.

May be something, may be nothing, but whenever i see it, the team doing it always plays with focus & discipline & plays well

We never do it

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

No need to panic guys, we beat Richmond last year so we are capable of beating anybody on our day.
We will sack our assistant coaches and that will miraculously change the fact that the bloke leading us is the most boring, uninspiring, talentless coach to ever walk through our doors.
Once a group of players realise your message is wrong and that you are totally incapable of delivering results then they simply stop listening, it’s human nature.
Richo is no good, never has been. But like I said the other day our club doesn’t have the spine to sack him.
If you thought this year was a disaster wait until next year. This club is going down the toilet.

 

[Rors]

No need to panic guys, we beat Richmond last year so we are capable of beating anybody on our day.
We will sack our assistant coaches and that will miraculously change the fact that the bloke leading us is the most boring, uninspiring, talentless coach to ever walk through our doors.
Once a group of players realise your message is wrong and that you are totally incapable of delivering results then they simply stop listening, it’s human nature.
Richo is no good, never has been. But like I said the other day our club doesn’t have the spine to sack him.
If you thought this year was a disaster wait until next year. This club is going down the toilet.

Why you do this to me MG....

I 100% believe you

 

[PoppedCorn]

Couldnt run a ****ing bath

 

[StCicatriz]

No need to panic guys, we beat Richmond last year so we are capable of beating anybody on our day.
We will sack our assistant coaches and that will miraculously change the fact that the bloke leading us is the most boring, uninspiring, talentless coach to ever walk through our doors.
Once a group of players realise your message is wrong and that you are totally incapable of delivering results then they simply stop listening, it’s human nature.
Richo is no good, never has been. But like I said the other day our club doesn’t have the spine to sack him.
If you thought this year was a disaster wait until next year. This club is going down the toilet.

spot on

the idea they can sack 2 line coaches and a development coach but everything will somehow get better is hilarious

meanwhile President and the CEO that extended the Senior coaches contract is still there
the Senior coach responsible for implementing the football program over the last 5 seasons is still there
the director of coaching Sexton is still there
the 2IC kingsley is still there

its pretty much the exact same leadership just with this message that they'd done this ultra comprehensive review (yeah right) and they've found everyone is great, bar 3 people, 3 lower ranked employees that dont really have the ability to make any real decisions.

 

[DarkSaint]

How does that help?
Still lacking on field leadership.
Getting rid of Richo doesn't make that change.
There is a reason the likes of Brisbane went after Hodge. Leadership. For what ever reason for all the years playing under Roo Joey Demspter and co not one has stepped up to the plate since. I see that as an indictment on the players themselves.

Richo is the need that needs to develop leadership ON and OFF the field. We have had a number to players that's we have drafted that have captained their respective states and somehow have magically lost that?? No player walks into a club screaming leader in the early days, they need to be mentored and developed by the coach and his assistants. We have failed dramatically as a team.

 

[StCicatriz]

Richo is the need that needs to develop leadership ON and OFF the field. We have had a number to players that's we have drafted that have captained their respective states and somehow have magically lost that?? No player walks into a club screaming leader in the early days, they need to be mentored and developed by the coach and his assistants. We have failed dramatically as a team.

exactly, if its all on the players, then why even bother having a coach. whats the point?

 

[Longmembrey]

As much as we dislike David King on this board, he accurately savaged our coaching on SEN today. Said Saints fans should be angry at our coaches inability to curtail JJ - especially when Bevo himself said that tagging a running half back is the easiest thing to do in football. Was bewildering.

 

[Joffaboy]

Then why did r Lyon leave ? Cash offered from a rich club . As simple as that . I would love to see our football dept spend per year compared to hawks , Coll, ess, Adelaide, west coast, freo, rich.........
Our assistants are all apprentice coaches ffs.
Kangaroos and Brisbane are prob a good example of what’s possible on the cheap but you need to absolutely nail it .

Cash is not debt. Balance sheet is not cash flow.

Soft cap is equalization.

10 million debt is non current not operating.

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