News Crows Press Conference - The Fallout Continues *now with poll*

[Cleric]

The camp was an utter debacle. And Caro is a more enthusiastic recycler than Craig Reucassel.


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If its just Caro recycling stuff, why did the players have a meeting with Pyke, Burton and Fages with complaints and demands?

 

[The Texan]

Everyone who is potting MM for wanting $$ needs to read this and think


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[Gets!]

It’s quite simple that whoever introduced CM to the club has to go.

 

[Roovolution]

Didn’t he say it was about what the players had been put through? That’s the camp and fallout afterwards

I don’t think he put it into context. I took it as players and him talked openly about their failings (probably about the Grand Final Loss) rather than apologising for the camp. I may have missed something but I didn’t necessarily take it the same way as you did.

 

[Cleric]

My biggest concern is how many draft.picks we will lose over it.

 

[hey shorty]

If what Williams said wasnt true, the Crows would have been on the phone to 5AA to say it wasnt true quicker than Rowie eating a pie.

Maybe, the club would probably feel like "damned if we do, damned if we dont" currently.

 

[hugecannon]

Can someone summarize what Cuoco & Wilson have said I missed their segments.

Thanks

 

[GreyCrow]

I feel we may have to wait for Open mike 2030 to hear what actually happened.

Then I hope Burton is gone!!

 

[Slippery Pete]

AFL Integrity Unit will now investigate.

Rowey said delisted players are now leaking as they no longer have anything to fear.

Robbo has said if the stories he has heard are correct, senior management will role.

Rowey said Pyke fronted the playing group in tears and apologised. The players appreciated it and still love him.

Shit is going to hit the fan massively.

Crikey.

 

[feenix67]

Yes all good questions. I’m just trying understand how a camp like this that can be very confrontational and leave some people distressed continue to go ahead and go on for years without being shut down and be at the point where there wasn’t enough bad publicity that the Crows thought it was a good idea.

Because - and I can't state this more unequivocally - BURTON went rogue on this. He is a disciple of it, he approached the club on it (as he did at the Lions and was rejected), he pushed through elements of it, he froze out certain people on it (The Doc, Barr etc). Noone at the club did any homework on it. There was no due dilligence done on it. I spent a day on it and dug up so much stuff that you would call Woulfe back and go "Amon, you're kidding right?". Im not big noting myself here, but if I can spend a day digging up public information, surely... SURELY... the club could do the same. Not to mention all the disclosures they should have sought.

Woulfe started CM. It's based on Mankind Project. Recently he brought Leddie into it to give it some cred, as Leddie had done work with the Rabbitohs and has a legitimate background in leadership programs. But make no mistake, this is the Mankind Project. It blew my mind in June that we had done this. Im glad the media are all over it and I hope Burton gets rolled and the playing group can recover.

 

[Roovolution]

If players are that upset they really need to make an official complaint so the AFL’s Integrity Unit can investigate. Rather than leaking to the press just complain officially.

 

[arrowman]

Yeah understand but what I’m saying is how come other people who have done the camp haven’t come away disgusted at the camp and taken legal action etc?

Why is that? And how can Younie do the camp and say it was good?

Because most people who go on that camp are self selecting - they are volunteering, have some idea what it's about - plus IMO if you're whacked enough to do that sort of camp, knowing what it is, you probably would think it was great, if only to deny to yourself that you had wasted your money.

It's a whole different context when your boss forces you to do it without warning.

If my boss did that to me, I'd slam my laptop and storm out of the room.

 

[Cleric]

Maybe, the club would probably feel like "damned if we do, damned if we dont" currently.

Yeah, so let some horrendous accusations said on the biggest sports show in SA, that are now bound to go Australia wide just sit there because " dammed if we do, dammed it we dont".

 

[arrowman]

Duplicate (this board is really lagging today! )

 

[Roovolution]

My biggest concern is how many draft.picks we will lose over it.

Two first and two seconds....

 

[arrowman]

Duplicate.

 

[Elite Crow]

If its just Caro recycling stuff, why did the players have a meeting with Pyke, Burton and Fages with complaints and demands?

Why did they leak it to her

 

[Elite Crow]

If players are that upset they really need to make an official complaint so the AFL’s Integrity Unit can investigate. Rather than leaking to the press just complain officially.

Not that easy when you are still at the club and need to front every day

 

[Legz]

If players are that upset they really need to make an official complaint so the AFL’s Integrity Unit can investigate. Rather than leaking to the press just complain officially.

They are investigating now.

 

[hey shorty]

Yeah, so let some horrendous accusations said on the biggest sports show in SA, that are now bound to go Australia wide just sit there because " dammed if we do, dammed it we dont".

Didnt say I agree with it, but I'm sure that's the thinking

 

[King Elvis]

Chocco Williams talking on 5aa about nude players on the camp, I googled Mankind Project nudity and found this.
What due diligence was performed on this group?


mankindproject.org/phearing-phallus-sexuality-and-nudity-nwta/


Phearing the Phallus – Sexuality and Nudity on the NWTA
There is some nudity on the New Warrior Training Adventure. It is about 5% of the total experience. About 2 hours out of 50. For all of this time, nudity is secondary to the primary intention, not the focus.

is never sexual. There is no sexual touching on the New Warrior Training Adventure. It has always been forbidden and this is strictly enforced. It’s one of the first rules of the weekend that men will hear on Friday. No man will ever be asked to let another man touch his genitals or to touch another man’s genitals. The assertion that this ever happens is ridiculous and slanderous. This rumor was alleged in an article in 2007, which we responded to. The ManKind Project will take swift action in response to any report of sexual impropriety on our training weekends. We trust the journalistic integrity of reporters who read this story. We’re confident that reporters will represent us fairly and not report false information.

Why do we do this?
The male body, in its many forms, is beautiful, normal, ridiculous, natural. We use nudity on our training to reveal and confront shame about the male body and to challenge our negative self images. In North America, this is seen as controversial in some communities. At our trainings in Europe, this is almost never an issue. In fact, in many parts of the United States, this is not an issue. Specifics of class, religious beliefs and ethnic culture play a large role, and we respect these differences. And as we said above, nudity is not required.

We don’t pretend that our workshop is the be-all, end-all personal growth experience for men, or that it will match up with every man’s expectations of what it should be. But for a large group of guys who want to make the world a better place, we have enjoyed tremendous success over two and half decades of these weekends and we will keep on providing a place for men who want to step outside of their comfort zones and grow.

The Fear of the Phallus
Honest and affirming dialog about male sexuality is still taboo. Today’s young men are raised in a stilted, secretive culture where their expectations of the male body may be almost exclusively formed by viewing pornography. This presents a deeply warped view the male body. (And we cannot help but also notice and confront the often harmful, degrading, warped and objectified view of the female form and female sexuality.) The rest of the time we see men in the media who are either the ‘idealized’ athlete, soldier, comic book hero, or the ridiculed overweight slob. None of these are healthy or typical representations. Deeply ingrained homophobia, self-hatred, and fear of being ostracized or teased has fundamentally altered the fabric of male development. Many men carry painful memories of locker-room torment, self-consciousness and shame. As adult men, the preoccupation with sexual prowess, sexual function (E.D., penis enlargement) or sexual orientation forms a constant stream of meta information in our culture (not to mention spam!). And the message is usually that we’re not OK, not good enough, or not acceptable to society. Our intent is to create safety to reimagine a man’s relationship to his own body and to his sexuality.

Men have the opportunity to begin constructing a sexuality that will help them deepen their relationship to themselves and their wives or partners. This exercise helps men create the intimacy that they want in their lives.

Why a Phallus?
Men have penises. The penis will be a part of any candid discussion about male sexuality. Men have unrealistic expectations and fears about their bodies, and especially their penises. A phallus is a metaphorical representation of that fear and insecurity. The fact that entire articles have been written about the ManKind Project with the focus on this symbol is evidence of just how frightening it is to many. The use of a wooden phallus as a ‘talking stick’ for a single process dealing directly with male sexuality on the NWTA has become sensationalized in some articles as if there is something unseemly or sexual going on, when in truth it is used simply as a metaphorical anchor for a very necessary discussion.

If a man is uncomfortable holding a wooden representation of the very part of his anatomy that makes him male, what does that say about his relationship to his own body, or to his manhood? What does it say about our culture that this single object comes to represent an entire training experience, when this discussion is only 2% of a much larger and carefully designed framework? By the time a man reaches 21 in American culture, it is likely that he has seen hundreds of dildos, phallic representations and actual penises (not to mention his own!). He has heard thousands of masturbation, sex, homophobic, misogynist and misandrist jokes. He has probably been teased, harassed or even assaulted about his body or his sexuality.

Laugh or cry; this is incredible.

 

[Roovolution]

Not that easy when you are still at the club and need to front every day

True but someone needs to grow a pair. I made an official complaint as a submariner and was bullied into shutting my mouth and then bullied by the individuals and others afterwards. Having to work with these people at sea on a submarine is unpleasant to say the least but I did it and I certainly don’t have the support the players do.

 

[FR0GGY]

I’d suggest we do a camp to Wirraway this offseason, bring it back a tad from CM.

 

[MilitaryLC]

If it was happening to Port you would be all over it.

The fact you don’t understand pretty much sums you up.

BAM!!!

 

[Cap]

Why hasn't the AFLPA got involved? If senior players are involved and are mates with the bloody president and haven't raised it, how does that reflect on them if indeed there is anything there?