Strategy Trade and List management Thread (cont in Part 2)

[Mattdougie]

The same place where Honey and Jong were on 500 combined

Jong resigned for $350

Honey would be on $150 minimum

So ummmm yeah that’s 500k

Someone else said Trengrove was on $550 I have no idea but Nankervis got $550 so I’d assume Trengove isn’t on a lot less? Or did he just come over to us for love ?

 

[TimlinOfficial]

Will always have fond memories of Lukey. Hope he has a great career at Geelong but don't think he was going anywhere if he stayed at the Dogs. I had him outside our best 22 by the end of this season.

On the matter of compensation, are we overstating the significance between an end of first round selection & a second round selection? I'm not sure but it's worth asking before people inevitably explode as the AFL predictably gives us a round 2 compo

End of 1st round & after our 2nd round pick (traded last year to Carlton) is a gap of 6 picks - of course we'd rather be at the front of that gap but it isn't a massive issue imo

However, I'm keen to hear why I should be making a bigger deal of it

 

[jdz101]

I think there will be one or two free agency signings to cover the loss of dahl and roughead.

I don't necessarily think compensation for dahlhaus is something to be discussed.

 

[TommyD13]

42 days and 23 hours to go...

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Unless we:

1. Trade the pick
2. Sign a FA and end up with no compensation.

1. Would be keen on this. Billings for example. Suggest me some more I can use to get over my Dahl heartbreak.
2. Which I guess means Dahl for whoever the FA is, so similar to trading it really. Except that if we'd resigned Dahl we still would have gotten the FA in so it's like we lost him for nothing.
3. Longshot, but if it's end of round 1 compensation (pick 19/20), I could see it being possible that West gets picked after it and we use it live. Sam Sturt would be someone I'd love in this case.

 

[Mattdougie]

1. Resign Jack McRae till 2022
2. Resign JJ till 2022
3. Resign Toby McLean 2022
4. Resign Zaine Cordy till 2021
5. Million dollar profits in ‘17 and ‘18
6. No net debt.
7. Dare I say it AFLW flag.
8. Sponsorship extended with Mission early last year.
9. Mercedes sponsorship.

Lol ok you got me with number 1. The rest meh

 

[fronkalicious]

Shai Bolton re-signing with Richmond

 

[immortalmike]

Maybe he wanted to go, gone stale, needs a new start, good luck to him got a great deal, still a Bulldog premier.

Watch his interview after the flag and ask yourself if that's a bloke who'd willingly leave just two years later?

 

[Mattdougie]

Shai Bolton re-signing with Richmond

Boooooooo I don’t like this

 

[ErnieSigley]

They finished 13th, so? You talk about wanting a forward who kicks goals but then dismiss his goal kicking numbers because the Tigers didn't make the finals? Shane Edwards kicked 15.12 that year too and I wouldn't mind him.

I'm not saying give up anything for him or pay him much $, but if we are potentially losing a lot of senior players through free agency and retirements, he wouldn't be a bad depth option on a 2 year deal in a position we lack.

13th tells you how important he is.
The lack of games since tells you he ain’t that good.
We have already players at his age and better that kick goals.
The cost of getting Lloyd is at the expense of Wallis, Dickson and the younger forwards that might have a future.

 

[Mattdougie]

This forum has actively smashed Billings week in week out as a dud and a pick before Bont.

Now some(that were part of the smashing) think he could be an option.

Lol HE GOT DROPPED FROM STKILDA to the VFL but this bloke can help us? I’d rather resign Jong to a multi year mega deal.

Billings is a complete and utter spud

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Shai Bolton re-signing with Richmond

One target for using that compo pick off the table

 

[ErnieSigley]

I don't think the club is getting Lloyd with the idea that he's going to be some vital cog. Maybe we just want some more experience and leadership around this young team, maybe they play a handful of games, like an Adcock scenario. If Lloyd plays 20 games and kicks 25-30 that could well be our leading goalkicker anyway (sadly). There's not much risk involved in bringing in a veteran player like this.

So we need another list clogger then.

 

[SonOfScray]

Watch his interview after the flag and ask yourself if that's a bloke who'd willingly leave just two years later?

I'm trying to find the clip on YouTube. Struggling. Reckon it'll cause me to chop some onions. Like I said the other day, I see merit in the decision, but it just doesn't feel good at all.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

This forum has actively smashed Billings week in week out as a dud and a pick before Bont.

Now some(that were part of the smashing) think he could be an option.

Lol HE GOT DROPPED FROM STKILDA to the VFL but this bloke can help us? I’d rather resign Jong to a multi year mega deal.

Billings is a complete and utter spud

If you are talking about me (since I mentioned him most recently it's a reasonable assumption), I've never smashed him. Except to compare him unfavourably to Bont, which is hardly a smashing.

 

[TommyD13]

Players Out of Contract
C. Smith- retired
Biggs- retired
Collins- delisted
Mullenger-McHugh- delisted
Dahlhaus- FA

Roughead- FA
Honeychurch- trade
Jong- trade
Campbell- trade

Liberatore- re-sign
Wallis- re-sign
Dickson- re-sign
Lynch- promote

 

[philmb]

In all honesty, I don't think the exact team that won us the Premiership had much chance to replicate that. Not so much because of retirements or the natural trading of players or injuries, but because we simply didn't know how to handle or react to success. For many, it was the pinnacle of their footy career and that was enough - Biggs, Roberts spring to mind immediately...You could perhaps also make a case for Smith...Libba was looking like he was going to call it quits this time last year but then appeared to make amends this year...Again, one could make a case for Roughead and Dahlhaus but the fact they're looking to continue their footy careers elsewhere suggests they believe they have more to offer.

In some ways, I think bringing in a wealth of young players who haven't tasted that Premiership success will install a new sense of hunger - we began to see it over the course of the last four games (and glimpses of it at stages in other games). There won't be that burden of breaking a 62 year Premiership drought, it'll just be about achieving success as many times over as they can.

At the end of each season, there are 17 teams who have failed. I don't care if you make the finals and bow out, you still failed. There is only one measurement of success and that's a Premiership. What I see is a Bulldog outfit learning to grow together with the intent of setting themselves up for several tilts at the Premiership. We still might not get there (just like '08-'10), but I have every faith we will. And, even if we don't, I'll still bleed red, white and blue until the day I die.

 

[Mojorisin]

Shai Bolton re-signing with Richmond

Fantastic news

 

[immortalmike]

Except we would have had West anyway. So trade-wise we're turning him into later points we now don't have to use on West. The more valid argument is the salary cap one, and personally I'm on the fence there.

Posters continue to twist themselves in knots justifying this but the truth is there is no justification. It's a poor decision and one that will hurt our culture, youth support, and on field. Losing Stringer took some of my passion, this is taking a fair bit more. I'll always be a member but I'll struggle to care.

 

[Leviticus]

I can see why the Cats have gone after him. Great inside mid. Nippy, agile. Great contested ball winner. Great stamina, courage. A master at applying defensive pressure. Quick hands. Geelong's list is top heavy. It's holding them back. Selwood is an old rubberneck, Gazza is just an outside lurker these days. It's only Bruce Macavaney's love that keeps them going. They need a few players like Dahlhaus.

And they have offered him good coin. $500k x 4 years. That puts him into the top bracket. Not many players get a deal like that. They obviously wnt him and that's how far they have had to go to prise him away from us. Our offer couldn't have been that bad.

Based on the Motlop deal, which I understand was very similar, $500k x 4, we should get pick 19 as the compensation. Just like Geebung did. If it is only around pick 30, then we should have been informed in advance so that we could have chosen to match.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Posters continue to twist themselves in knots justifying this but the truth is there is no justification. It's a poor decision and one that will hurt our culture, youth support, and on field. Losing Stringer took some of my passion, this is taking a fair bit more. I'll always be a member but I'll struggle to care.

Players leaving or being pushed out is part of following football. Invest in those that are still here.

 

[0utsider]

I can see why the Cats have gone after him. Great inside mid. Nippy, agile. Great contested ball winner. Great stamina, courage. A master at applying defensive pressure. Quick hands. Geelong's list is top heavy. It's holding them back. Selwood is an old rubberneck, Gazza is just an outside lurker these days. It's only Bruce Macavaney's love that keeps them going. They need a few players like Dahlhaus.

And they have offered him good coin. $500k x 4 years. That puts him into the top bracket. Not many players get a deal like that. They obviously wnt him and that's how far they have had to go to prise him away from us. Our offer couldn't have been that bad.

Based on the Motlop deal, which I understand was very similar, $500k x 4, we should get pick 19 as the compensation. Just like Geebung did. If it is only around pick 30, then we should have been informed in advance so that we could have chosen to match.

Unrestricted Free Agent. We can't match, it's completely out of our hands.

 

[immortalmike]

I'm trying to find the clip on YouTube. Struggling. Reckon it'll cause me to chop some onions. Like I said the other day, I see merit in the decision, but it just doesn't feel good at all.

I honestly see no merit in the decision. He's a solid player hitting his prime amongst a bunch of kids. We severely lack his type. Adding in the emotional side and it's a pretty terrible decision.

 

[cecil]

Jong resigned for $350

Honey would be on $150 minimum

So ummmm yeah that’s 500k

Someone else said Trengrove was on $550 I have no idea but Nankervis got $550 so I’d assume Trengove isn’t on a lot less? Or did he just come over to us for love ?

Proof that Jong signed for that? Honey was given the last spot on our list, he will be on minimum so no more than that.

Trengove was never reported to be that high. It was reported to be around 400/450 which is in line with the compo Port would have got. He's also a half decent, experienced, Key Position player which always get paid a premium. As much as we love Dahl he's a small, poor skilled, mid who has lost any goalkicking ability

 

[immortalmike]

Players leaving or being pushed out is part of following football. Invest in those that are still here.

It used to be a rare part of football.
Maybe I don't want to invest in players that may leave or be pushed out on a whim.