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Correct, that sentence is exactly why you have no idea. When you've worked with elite athletes and not "I know FIFO people" maybe you could relate.I find this incredibly disturbing, especially that people are okay with it. Maybe I've lived in the bush too long but working for someone doesn't give them any rights over your life outside of working hours.
Plus there are unintended consequences. I know people who work in FIFO mines and get drug tested. Instead of smoking pot on their fortnight off - which shows up in a test even after its no longer affecting them - they take other more serious drugs that don't. These drugs don't show up on tests and then find their way onto mine sites where people use them during their fortnight on work. Accident rates go up and production rates go down as a result.
Its none of any legit workplaces business what you do outside work hours unless you are wearing your work uniform or something similar when you do it. IE if its obvious you're bringing them into disrepute.
That's a genuine threat to people's freedom. As opposed to that stuff we wank on about in that other thread.
Players have a lot of freedom but that freedom gets smaller and smaller when you're injured or not performing. The freedom and scrutiny get a lot smaller if your freedom involves drinking, getting into altercations, and getting kicked out of a bar/club. Don't think of it as freedom, think of it as your chances of playing/living up to expectations from peers and coaches. Ultimately you can do what you like but if a player does and it extends outside the realm of what is expected from you well let us see how far that gets you.
If performance was the only thing that mattered then why do clubs spend so long interviewing players? Why do some bring sports psychologists along? Clubs want less Garner/LMac types and more Ziebell/Higgins types.
This. I'm really struggling to see how people can't understand this. It has been outlined several times now. It's the some of all parts and a conclusion has been based on that.Firstly, you don't know if the club made no issue of it, so thats moot. That it ain't in the public realm doesn't mean it hasn't been discussed.
Secondly, if players want to blow off steam they can do what they like. I ain't no puritan and during their downtime i don't care what players do, as long as it does not impact their performance when at the club or preparation for training or games. This is not where i see issue.
My 'problem' is that its these two specifically. I expect more from these two given their talent, contractual investment by the club and coming off the year they have had. Perhaps my expectations of these two well known party boys on hundreds of thousands of dollars a year is too high but was is a fact is that getting hammered, which these two like to do, impacts recovery. And both would want to have strong preseasons and better years than 18. If people see this position as problematic well, i don't know what to say.
Not "but freedom, but drinks, but fun, but human beings!!!"
This: "the club hasn't said anything so everyone else is making a big deal over nothing" stuff is funny.