Society/Culture Christchurch Mosque mass shooting

[Malifice]

Claiming the board’s socialists vote for right wing capitalist parties is pretty unhinged.

And his point that workers wanting more than what the past 40 years of neoliberalism has left us not equating white nationalism is ideologically sound.

Accusing everyone of white nationalism is childish, for both you and the author.

I actually have some sympathy for the core of the Trump/ Brexit/ Howards Battler demographic. Blue collar working class white men who feel disenfranchised. In among all the nativism, racism and anti immigrant backlash there are some genuine gripes in there.

 

[Admiral Byng]

It is in our counties best interests to actively manage the rate and composition of our migration programs.

But we simply can't do this. The Constitution says otherwise. We can't have a policy that discriminates on the basis of religion. The Constitution is the very founding document of our nation and the safeguard of our rights and liberties. You can't make the necessary changes to stop muslim immigration without getting into the whole minefield of freedom of religion, any small change will have far reaching consequences.

 

[Lsta062]

I don't disagree with any of that. But implicit on ensuring that extremist immigration does not occur, you need a fairly strong filter, do you not?

This is the blind spot (mostly white) left wingers have. Not all people are the same. There are good Muslims, good people of all creeds. But among them there are bad people, sometimes more numerous than they realise. To ensure they don't enter your country, what do you do?

The simple answer is: draconian migration policies. It is not nice, but it works. If you don't want bad people in your country, you stop them at the border. That's what borders are for.

The overwhelming majority of those associating themselves with Islam around the world are not affiliated with extremism and condemn such behaviour. Of the Muslims immigrating to the West, the overwhelming majority did so in order to live a life where they can live free from the dangers of their home land.

I only can imagine the devastation my mother would have faced if she fled from her war-torn country with many young children only to find that the country she was fleeing to had ‘draconian migration policies’, returning her back to unsafe conditions.

Allowing immigration is principally based on humanitarian grounds for a reason. Yes, you will let in some bad people, but the number of decent people you let in that only want to live a peaceful life is more. So from a humanitarian perspective, allowing immigration into safer countries results in more good than bad. I was just giving some examples before on how we can reduce the amount of bad people coming in and changing the perspectives of some people already let into the country who were influenced by the wrong people.

 

[sherb]

Our Prime Minister. Very much part of the problem.

https://newpolitics.com.au/2019/03/...6tGL06YlpEYVdFH-KdthTXVambdzYfm67LyPVshVXJ2OM

 

[Scotland]

This kind of attack was inevitable but it's surprising that nothing
had occurred on this scale in The West until now (since 9/11).

Why was it inevitable?

The whole thing that gives the West the moral high ground in the fight against 'Muslim extremism' we fight our battles via the military. We play by the rules, you could say. Even if said rules are somewhat dubious and still permit plenty of fish/barrel scenarios.

A bunch of private citizens fly planes into the WTC, the US responds with a decade long military invasion. Some nutjob blows up a van etc. and the authorities set up watch lists, share intel across borders etc. The US, UK, Aus, French etc. governments do not respond to terrorist attacks by saying 'well that's one to them, don't worry I'm sure one of ours will get the next one'.

Simmering tensions lead to things like the Cronulla riots, not mass shootings. Brenton Tarrant is a murderous psychopath and we don't need people like him killing innocent people minding their own business whether they are Muslims at prayer, school children, people in a cafe or anyone else.

 

[Balls In]

That white supremacist was a migrant to New Zealand from Australia.

Should New Zealand halt migration from Australia?

'Just until they figure out whats going on' of course.

We already deport Kiwi's we think are undesirable and the Kiwi's likewise. If Jacinda announced NZ was withdrawing from our migration pact there would be hell to pay... in NZ

 

[Lsta062]

Our Prime Minister. Very much part of the problem.

https://newpolitics.com.au/2019/03/...6tGL06YlpEYVdFH-KdthTXVambdzYfm67LyPVshVXJ2OM

Wow that is a very ugly resume if true.

 

[Balls In]

But we simply can't do this. The Constitution says otherwise. We can't have a policy that discriminates on the basis of religion. The Constitution is the very founding document of our nation and the safeguard of our rights and liberties. You can't make the necessary changes to stop muslim immigration without getting into the whole minefield of freedom of religion, any small change will have far reaching consequences.

We have quite a few levers to influence the composition of our migrants. We dont accept migrants with criminal backgrounds. We process boat people offshore as they have attempted to bypass our screening process's. We cancel visas. We deport etc

 

[Gough]

Wow that is a very ugly resume if true.

He may now being paying the transactional cost for all of that.

 

[sherb]

Wow that is a very ugly resume if true.

Which reflects the character of the person in question.

 

[its free real estate]

But we simply can't do this. The Constitution says otherwise. We can't have a policy that discriminates on the basis of religion. The Constitution is the very founding document of our nation and the safeguard of our rights and liberties. You can't make the necessary changes to stop muslim immigration without getting into the whole minefield of freedom of religion, any small change will have far reaching consequences.

The constitution absolutely makes it possible for policy that discriminates on the basis of nation of origin.

 

[Admiral Byng]

We have quite a few levers to influence the composition of our migrants. We dont accept migrants with criminal backgrounds. We process boat people offshore as they have attempted to bypass our screening process's. We cancel visas. We deport etc

I'm taking about immigrants, not refugees. Don't confuse the two and lump them all together.

 

[Malifice]

We already deport Kiwi's we think are undesirable and the Kiwi's likewise./QUOTE]

That deportation rule applies to everyone. About the only people that are 'safe' is the Minister cant deport a bona fide Refugee back to the country they're getting persecuted in.

 

[Balls In]

Wow that is a very ugly resume if true.

Except Morrison and Dutton and the conservative media are competely innocent of this crime. They inherited a humanitarian crisis after Labor lost control of our borders and 1200 people drowned.

 

[Malifice]

The constitution absolutely makes it possible for policy that discriminates on the basis of nation of origin.

Why not take it a step further and ban migration by a different demographic?

Men.

Not all men are terrorists and mass killers. But all terrorists and mass killers are male. Literally, every one of them, across the spectrum from high school shooters, to church/ mosque/ synagogue shooters, to Islamic fundies.

In one hit we would remove most of the DV, all the mass killings, all the radicalization and terrorists from entering the country.

I mean yeah, a lot of innocent men will get caught up as well. But it's important so we can stop the violence.

Using your own logic, isnt this reasonable?

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Not all men are terrorists and mass killers. But all terrorists and mass killers are male. Literally, every one of them, across the spectrum from high school shooters, to church/ mosque/ synagogue shooters, to Islamic fundies.

Well this is untrue lol.

 

[Socrates2]

Except Morrison and Dutton and the conservative media are competely innocent of this crime. They inherited a humanitarian crisis after Labor lost control of our borders and 1200 people drowned.

Morrison and Dutton are card carrying racists.If you want some examples let me know and I'll provide them.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Morrison and Dutton are card carrying racists.If you want some examples let me know and I'll provide them.

Have you followed them on Bigfooty to keep track of them, too?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

What about au pairs? They must get an exemption too

 

[Socrates2]

Have you followed them on Bigfooty to keep track of them, too?

Why is there a follow button then? Do you have something to hide behind your keyboard?

 

[Malifice]

Well this is untrue lol.

How many times has a woman picked up an AR-15 and stormed a school/ mosque etc and gunned down a bunch of people?

It's literally blokes in 99.99999 percent of cases.

Ditto when some woman and her kids gets killed (a weekly occurrence). It's blokes.

If' you're being objective, virtually every time there is a scary mass killer/ serial killer, it's a bloke.

 

[Lsta062]

Except Morrison and Dutton and the conservative media are competely innocent of this crime. They inherited a humanitarian crisis after Labor lost control of our borders and 1200 people drowned.

I said “if true” for a reason. I am happy to give Morrison the benefit of the doubt. Doesn’t change that is an ugly compilation of actions for a Prime Minister though.

 

[Malifice]

What about au pairs? They must get an exemption too

Depends on the au pair.

 

[its free real estate]

But all terrorists and mass killers are male.

Thenmozhi Rajaratnam

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

How many times has a woman picked up an AR-15 and stormed a school/ mosque etc and gunned down a bunch of people?

It's literally blokes in 99.99999 percent of cases.

Ditto when some woman and her kids gets killed (a weekly occurrence). It's blokes.

If' you're being objective, virtually every time there is a scary mass killer/ serial killer, it's a bloke.

It’s objectively a lie to say that literally every terrorist is a male.

Why bother saying that ‘literally every terrorist is a male’ when it’s patently untrue?