Bluemour Melting Pot XIX - Give Me Ed Baby - Return of the Prodigal Son

[Aphrodite]

Scott Selwood as a delisted free agent? Handy midfield depth with a senior body?

 

[feffs93]

Yep, spent most of the finals series being a thug and a fake tough guy than actually playing football. The guy, as talented as he is, seems like more of a liability and you have no clue what he will do next. Wonder how many frees he gives away, liability because of how he plays.

Strongly disagree, I love the way he plays. The guy is fast becoming my favourite non-carlton player.

He plays the game on the line and flies the flag for GWS and his teammates doesn't back down or shirk from a contest.

How many Carlton players over the past 10 years could you say that about? Very very few is the answer.

 

[skadoosh]

You think so? Stack on the half back line and Pickett in the centre? Deluca selection is strange considering we identified in this trade period would target small forwards.

Playing well looks easy when you always have a teammate in the right position to receive a handball or kick. That is definitely not to be underestimated.

 

[TerryWallet]

Yeah. Pretty sure Martin is being recruited as a mid who can also play on either flank or a wing. He's no small forward.

He's also tough.

If he is invested, he will be a beauty.

 

[J-dog]

You're entitled to your bad opinion.

Same goes, big nose

 

[DrZeit]

Very excited for the Papinator! Lost count of the amount of times a ball came to the earth after a marking contest and our tall/med forwards struggled to pick it up like a bunch of blind monkeys looking for a fallen banana. Only Cuningham had a consistently clean pick up and he was sadly consistently out.

 

[BlueTongue]

Only concern is we haven't addressed our midfield needs. Yes Papely may pinch hit in there, however Ed and Smurph aren't getting any younger.

I see Doc stepping into the Murphy role. Is (was) a beautiful field kick and reads it well. I think he'll be used as a Mid this year regardless.

 

[kjr8]

Absolutely agree, alternatively at 186cm ht , I'd play Martin on a wing swap him with Murphy and give some respite to the midfield. Forward line would be just as deadly and our midfield enhanced.

Martin to the wing, keep Murph in the guts and have Cuners run amok with Pap and Eddie.


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[Robbo's my hero]

Geez Ozzy Osborne has let himself go.

 

[Ash05]

How will I ever survive?

I got blocked last week, I survived

 

[Dadda Dave]

I see Doc stepping into the Murphy role. Is (was) a beautiful field kick and reads it well. I think he'll be used as a Mid this year regardless.

I'd be happy for Doc to get on the park and get a kick for starters..

 

[J-dog]

I don't understand this rationale at all. Lets put this in perspective.

Papley has kicked 37 goals this season - averaged 1.5 goals per game over his career - he's worth every bit of pick 8 in a weak draft to our list.

Jack Martin is also an absolute gun who in the right environment away from the abyss that is GC will , I have no doubt, prove his worth as a game changer. If push came to shove I'd give up our first next year with their future second that the AFL gave them coming back. I'd trade Levi for him in a heartbeat if that was all it took. Mark my words now under Andrew Russell and in our forward line Jack Martin will flourish and whatever we pay for him will look like nothing. He is the cherry on the cake. Two players who are absolute dynamite smalls want to come to our football club and into our forward line and from 2020 as a package will easily contribute 45 plus goals to our season if they play 18 games each and produce their career average - it will be more in my opinion. For a team with 3 tall forwards like ours you pay whatever the price is for these two small forwards to sit at their feet. I will accept nothing less than 2 deals getting done and if 2 first rounders is what it takes then so be it. You won't be thinking about the draft picks with Papley and Martin at the feet of Harry and Charlie for the next 8 years!

To explain myself-

I don't think either have done anything in particular of note.
Agree they are talented and can potentially be very good players but 1 good season for Paps and numerous flashes of talent from Martin don't spell very good solid effective contributor.
Second round picks are for these players, especially pocket and flank players.
Firsts are for good, reliable and contributing mids and key position players.
2 firsts for special/gun mids and key position players.
Martin and Papley would be pocket and flank therefore seconds.
Early seconds yes as I think they can be very good (wouldn't trade for them otherwise) but still seconds and not firsts.
Anyway, what can any of us do but hope for the best

 

[J-dog]

Can't disagree with this any more. Each pick is for best available and needs. We are desperate for small forwards and sometimes you pay what you have to to achieve this. So what if they cost us a 1st each, if they kick winning goal next year I'm sure it won't matter what we pay

I can respect that

 

[J-dog]

Reckon the CLub has enough high draft pick kids needing development on the books - is there a standout draftee you'd use pick#9 on? Personally I'd like to see SOS think more about nailing some lower order draftees and using what little high pick currency he has on developed players like - Papley/Martin or even better still a decent back up midfielder to Cripps.

Was thinking 2 firsts for a gun mid, see what we can do with Butler and Betts (third and fourth), use a second for Martin or another winger/hb flanker with potential.

 

[kjr8]

To explain myself-

I don't think either have done anything in particular of note.
Agree they are talented and can potentially be very good players but 1 good season for Paps and numerous flashes of talent from Martin don't spell very good solid effective contributor.
Second round picks are for these players, especially pocket and flank players.
Firsts are for good, reliable and contributing mids and key position players.
2 firsts for special/gun mids and key position players.
Martin and Papley would be pocket and flank therefore seconds.
Early seconds yes as I think they can be very good (wouldn't trade for them otherwise) but still seconds and not firsts.
Anyway, what can any of us do but hope for the best

WRT papley.. career goal avg of 1.5 is something of note imo


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[J-dog]

What’s the difference between unhappy and seriously unhappy when the word seriously is meant to properly operate as an adjective? Asking for a friend

I'll be more disappointed if it happens in reality as opposed to a suggestion on an internet forum.
But very cheeky pickup

 

[PoultryinMotion]

Absolutely agree, alternatively at 186cm ht , I'd play Martin on a wing swap him with Murphy and give some respite to the midfield. Forward line would be just as deadly and our midfield enhanced.

Respite on a wing? (Or did I misread that?

 

[BlueTongue]

Deluca, Finbar, Garlett, Lobbe, Mullett, Shaw, O'Shea, Polson, Lebois, Kerr, Bugg weren't risks? Apart from Williamson and Gibbons only decent late picks out of the lot. And that's not counting the GWS players like, Gorringe, Pickett, Sumner, Lamb.

You've simply quoted a bunch of players that didn't work out. I'm pretty sure a few of those (GWS) were salary dumps and other were probably rated better than 'risk' at the time. At least try keeping a neutral point of view, rather than condemning SOS for every single pick that hasn't worked out.
Such a sad sac way to view your own club.

 

[BluesTragic]

I read today that we and the Colliwobbles are looking at Tom Cutler...anyone that can enlighten us some ?


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[BringBackSimmo]

Is this why we are having a go at Browne?

 

[HBF]

It's on......

Like Donkey Kong

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

To explain myself-

I don't think either have done anything in particular of note.
Agree they are talented and can potentially be very good players but 1 good season for Paps and numerous flashes of talent from Martin don't spell very good solid effective contributor.
Second round picks are for these players, especially pocket and flank players.
Firsts are for good, reliable and contributing mids and key position players.
2 firsts for special/gun mids and key position players.
Martin and Papley would be pocket and flank therefore seconds.
Early seconds yes as I think they can be very good (wouldn't trade for them otherwise) but still seconds and not firsts.
Anyway, what can any of us do but hope for the best

I understand what you are saying but the way I look at it is that you can only play so many mids so you’ll end up playing good mids as flankers where a flanker would be the better player in that role anyway.

 

[JustaBattler]

Was thinking 2 firsts for a gun mid, see what we can do with Butler and Betts (third and fourth), use a second for Martin or another winger/hb flanker with potential.

Well as you can see SOS has run out of pick currency with a lowly ( by Carlton standards) #9 followed by a couple of 3rd rounders....liking everyone's enthusiasm for 'magic' but Papley and Martin are going to be hard enough to do together and would be a huge win...2Xforst for 'only' one mid...doesn't address the perceived needs and publicly stated targeting of genuine forward smalls...

maybe that is where Betts comes in as a one year insurance policy in case both Martin AND Papley fall through...and there is in my books > 50/50 chance of missing at least one...

can't think of too many developed mids off the top of my head that other CLubs haven't got tied up and whose ask would be 2 firsts...

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

WRT papley.. career goal avg of 1.5 is something of note imo


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I'm looking forward to Pit-Bull Papley's aggression at the ball. Carlton needs some mongrel, but not Toby Greene mongrel.

 

[HBF]

Dow is two years away. Minimum. He’s a nervous Nellie. Stocker, on the other hand, is what you want in a hard nosed midfielder. He’s not nervous. He’s Greg Williams like arrogant.
Dow may be very good trade bait at the end of 2020!

I think Dow might be a better player if he was playing for a team higher up the ladder. But i'd keep persisting with him, especially given the work he is doing with Diesel.