Bluemour Melting Pot XXI - Like seriously, the polar ice caps have got nothing on us

[BigFrizz36]

Those selected after Dunbar last year in the national draft;
67 Robbie Young (stk)
68 Jake Tarca (geel)
69 Joel Crocker (nm)
70 Ben Silvagni
71 Caleb Graham (gc)
72 Braden Ham (*,)
73 Riley Grundy (pa)
74 Oscar Brownless (geel)
75 Toby Bedford (melb)
76 Boyd Woodcock (pa)
77 Atu bosenavulagi (coll)
78 Will Hayes (wb)

Sack nearly every recruiter I say...

 

[Pablito]

Good to see we have several professional AFL list managers on this board.

I picked Sydney Stack at 10 on last year's phantom draft, look it up. I'm as close to the real SOS as they come. Trust me.

 

[OldBlueFan]

Though why is Smedts different to someone like Newman. We chased Smedts.
Even O’Shea who was he providing depth for. Lang will probably be another failed player.
I also think if we didn’t rate Sumner, Lamb or Phillips at all then 28 is overs for Plowman and those salary cap dumps.

IIRC, we didn't "chase" Smedts, we actually asked for Lang, but were only offered Smedts.

O'shea was just a big-bodied mature player for support in the VFL, unless he showed remarkable improvement. He only played senior AFL footy when our injury list reached something like 16. So if we'd recruited a late-pick raw 18yo with that pick, he would have been playing senior AFL footy instead. How is that better?

I don't think it's right to say we didn't rate Sumner & Lamb "at all". They might have been able to make something of themselves. Sumner had been injured and Lamb had shown glimpses. They may have improved, so they were adjudged worth the chance. Philips, as has been stated repeatedly, is a servicable AFL-level back-up ruckman. If he's not, why was he offered another contract by the club and why was he picked up by *?

To characterise using pick 28 to get Plowman (who just finished 3rd in our BnF FFS, and looks a 200 game player) and the others as "overs" is just absurd.

 

[Hands On]

I'm really not sure too many other list managers could have turned our list around the way SOS did. Our list was a joke in 2015.

How many would have been as creative and good as SOS to get the same kind of value for the likes of Gibbs, Henderson, Yarran & Bell?
We have his wheeling and dealing to thank for having McKay, Curnow, Cunners and LOB on the list, since he had to work hard to get the picks we drafted them at.

He also managed to attain talented young players like Marchbank, Kennedy & Setterfield despite interest from other clubs.

Also, Teague showed what our list is capable of in the second half of the year. A list that SOS put together and should only get better in the following years.

Yes its easy to forget where we came from. in reality we were a basket case!!! Ability to Draft high end Established talent is seriously affected by where you came from and where you are at. SOS does not have a magic wand. As you mentioned the potential the showed at the second half of the year started to generate some interest and we got 2 nominations.

Its like a new business you cant approach suppliers and ask for A grade deals and prices until you have proven yourself as a performer. So Evaluating the KPI'S of a list manager needs to tale all of the above and more into consideration.

SOS has proven himself as an A grade dealer and negotiator that refused to be bent over. If I was in his shoes and Liddle set him targets then questioned why they weren't achieved in a robotic manner without having a full understanding of all of the above I would tell them to GAGF and walk out.

 

[ferrisb]

You can safely leave Alex Silvagni off that list

His recruitment was worth it just for the pleasure of seeing him make Buddy Franklin look like a suburban footballer....

 

[ferrisb]

I've heard guys say things like " I'm a dolphin trainer" to try to impress women... but "hey? Im the guy inside Humphrey" is next level

Dolphin trainer just makes me think of Ace Ventura....

 

[HARKER]

I wouldn't even worry about Finbar other than he could have simply been rookie listed should have we seen something in him.
At least he's a shot at a type that made sense. He may yet make for a poor shot but he is a good type.

For now he's all arms and legs and still growing into his body.
He reminds me a little of Tom Lynch (Adelaide variety) He may well not make it but at least we had a shot at needs and gave our development department something to work with. Even this is better to me than for most DFA's.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

I've heard guys say things like " I'm a dolphin trainer" to try to impress women... but "hey? Im the guy inside Humphrey" is next level

Reckon someone's already done it.
You should check it out on the interwebz and tell us how he went.





I'm too afraid to, personally.

 

[Sin City]

Not saying it was left field nd we probably could have rookied him, we are discussing that it was SOS who picked him, rather than picking a player the recruiting team thought.
If I was a recruiter and that stuff happened, I wouldn’t be too happy with my boss, I’m just not sure I believe that things work this way.

That's why I was clearing it up. While he has an enormous amount of respect for Paul Brodie, SOS has always been the one picking the players.

 

[thylacine60]

handbrake all this shit for a minute - when andrew russell came across he was considered the best in the business and it was a complete and utter shock when we landed him












stephen wells.........that is all............

 

[Blue__Balls]

That's why I was clearing it up. While he has an enormous amount of respect for Paul Brodie, SOS has always been the one picking the players.

What's this based on, SC?

 

[Hands On]

handbrake all this shit for a minute - when andrew russell came across he was considered the best in the business and it was a complete and utter shock when we landed him












stephen wells.........that is all............

Stephen Wells

Now that would be Ideal if SOS decides to pull the PIN. At the time, for moral etc. we needed the return of Club legend and considering our position SOS has done well. The nucleus of a top team is there.

 

[myblueroan]

handbrake all this shit for a minute - when andrew russell came across he was considered the best in the business and it was a complete and utter shock when we landed him
stephen wells.........that is all............

oh really?

 

[F_therest]

Given the fact it was clearly a miss, i'd consider it a miss.

That's a nice cherry pick...just Stack.
So should all other 17 teams sack their list managers?

Also, given his apparent off-field issues, a mature team like Richmond who are already a top team and recently won a premiership, can always afford to take a risk like Stack more than other clubs, and one like ours who have lots of young kids forging their path.

Just like how Hawthorn were the only team to dare draft Dayle Garlett when they were at the top.

Also, other teams might be looking at us and thinking, geez i wish we took Gibbons late in the draft or as a rookie.

 

[F_therest]

Those selected after Dunbar last year in the national draft;
67 Robbie Young (stk)
68 Jake Tarca (geel)
69 Joel Crocker (nm)
70 Ben Silvagni
71 Caleb Graham (gc)
72 Braden Ham (*,)
73 Riley Grundy (pa)
74 Oscar Brownless (geel)
75 Toby Bedford (melb)
76 Boyd Woodcock (pa)
77 Atu bosenavulagi (coll)
78 Will Hayes (wb)

Sack nearly every recruiter I say...

Stellar list...Robbie Young & Will Hayes the only 2 i even know from other clubs. And Young was just delisted by St Kilda.

 

[F_therest]

Yes its easy to forget where we came from. in reality we were a basket case!!! Ability to Draft high end Established talent is seriously affected by where you came from and where you are at. SOS does not have a magic wand. As you mentioned the potential the showed at the second half of the year started to generate some interest and we got 2 nominations.

Its like a new business you cant approach suppliers and ask for A grade deals and prices until you have proven yourself as a performer. So Evaluating the KPI'S of a list manager needs to tale all of the above and more into consideration.

SOS has proven himself as an A grade dealer and negotiator that refused to be bent over. If I was in his shoes and Liddle set him targets then questioned why they weren't achieved in a robotic manner without having a full understanding of all of the above I would tell them to GAGF and walk out.

I hope that's not the case...we've all been impressed by Liddle so far looking from the outside. I hope he's not over-stepping his boundaries.

SOS also was part of us biting the bullet and going hardcore rebuild mode which i think in hindsight we'll see was the right decision to get all the young talent we have right now. It would have kept the wolves at bay, but no point in being 'competitive' and languishing mid-table like your Essendons/Port/North etc...and actually in the end the fans get sick of finishing mid-table and bay for blood anyway.

It's all about the premiership and SOS has set us up on the right path list wise. Also, we're likely to get Martin soon and after next year's trade period, it's a real possibility we could have a Papley & Wines on our list, or similarly good players. They want to come.

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

**** SOS, bring back Hughes.

 

[ferrisb]

Not to suggest that teams or recruiters are immune from criticism, but WCE's delistings announced today provide some timely perspective.

Former Suns big man among three Eagles delisted

West Coast has trimmed its list by three in the wake of the Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

Kurt Mutimer - played four matches over four seasons
Keegan Brooksby - recruited as pre-season rookie, didn't play a single match
Matthew Allen - didn't play AFL in four seasons

So, a club that won a premiership just 13 months ago still has plenty of deadwood (all due respect to these guys to making it to AFL level, mind you).

Everyone has their share of misses. By all means, scrutinise SOS but do so with context.

 

[Opine]

IIRC, we didn't "chase" Smedts, we actually asked for Lang, but were only offered Smedts.

O'shea was just a big-bodied mature player for support in the VFL, unless he showed remarkable improvement. He only played senior AFL footy when our injury list reached something like 16. So if we'd recruited a late-pick raw 18yo with that pick, he would have been playing senior AFL footy instead. How is that better?

I don't think it's right to say we didn't rate Sumner & Lamb "at all". They might have been able to make something of themselves. Sumner had been injured and Lamb had shown glimpses. They may have improved, so they were adjudged worth the chance. Philips, as has been stated repeatedly, is a servicable AFL-level back-up ruckman. If he's not, why was he offered another contract by the club and why was he picked up by *?

To characterise using pick 28 to get Plowman (who just finished 3rd in our BnF FFS, and looks a 200 game player) and the others as "overs" is just absurd.

You're making far too much sense to have put all the pieces together as a mere outsider looking in. I detect the scent of an ITK when you're around.

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

Not to suggest that teams or recruiters are immune from criticism, but WCE's delistings announced today provide some timely perspective.

Former Suns big man among three Eagles delisted

West Coast has trimmed its list by three in the wake of the Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

Kurt Mutimer - played four matches over four seasons
Keegan Brooksby - recruited as pre-season rookie, didn't play a single match
Matthew Allen - didn't play AFL in four seasons

So, a club that won a premiership just 13 months ago still has plenty of deadwood (all due respect to these guys to making it to AFL level, mind you).

Everyone has their share of misses. By all means, scrutinise SOS but do so with context.

No.
Context is a late round 4 excuse.

 

[thylacine60]

fu** SOS, bring back Hughes.

how many posts of the year can you be nominated for.......

 

[SammaGilberto]

fu** SOS, bring back Hughes.

**** yeah, Hughes drafted Crippa! Etch his name on the underside of our next cup.

 

[Dadda Dave]

Good to see we have several professional AFL list managers on this board.

There's more on the Silvagni thread ..mostly opposition supporters..

 

[ferrisb]

how many posts of the year can you be nominated for.......

8?

(4 by 2)

 

[I bleed Blue]

His recruitment was worth it just for the pleasure of seeing him make Buddy Franklin look like a suburban footballer....

Right up there with Aaron Joseph taking Gary Ablett to the cleaners