Underperforming Clubs Shouldn't be Abolished

[Forward Press]

It's not a news article.

Fine, article, opinion piece, whatever.

But if you are incapable of the patience to read the entirety of the OP - well, you're a symptom and a cause of what's wrong with the media today.

 

[Maylandsman]

Fine, article, opinion piece, whatever.

But if you are incapable of the patience to read the entirety of the OP - well, you're a symptom and a cause of what's wrong with the media today.

It’s drivel and you’re getting lit because people can’t be bothered reading it. OP needs to learn the art of being succinct and not waffle on.

 

[sprockets]

Fine, article, opinion piece, whatever.

But if you are incapable of the patience to read the entirety of the OP - well, you're a symptom and a cause of what's wrong with the media today.

If the OP is media it's a symptom and a cause of what's wrong with the media today. Actually there are multiple symptoms.

 

[Kimbo]

It’s drivel and you’re getting lit because people can’t be bothered reading it. OP needs to learn the art of being succinct and not waffle on.

“needs to..?” No more than you “need to” read the whole post if you’re going to leap to conclusions.

 

[HardcoreGeelongFan]

As my fellow American millennial brethren would say (wait for it)

TL DR

 

[inbetween]

Made the mistake of trying to read the OP and only managed to get through to the comparison with the NBA due to the fact that almost every point in there was blatantly wrong.

OP actually thinks Vic clubs are owned by the AFL.
Btw the closest the AFL has to private ownership is the WCE, ironically enough.

OP also thinks the NBA and american sports dont have a salary cap.

Actually theres a whole lot wrong with the post which only warrants dismissing everything since clearly no time was given into research and all of it was spent writing fluff.

 

[Yojimbo]

As a supporter of an underperforming club who seen us almost merge with Fitzroy I have perspective, but to
be honest as a young player I lived in the Fitzroy zone before the draft came in and they used to take our
whole team to VFL park for free. I favour a twelve team model with 22 Games where every team plays the
other twice, but I acknowledge telling 6 teams they are gone damages the game and the fans of said teams.
I am a weird fan in that I can watch other teams and enjoy it (if it's a good game), even learn from what
they do in game style terms, but most die hard one eyed fans can not. Well managed and run clubs should
not be abolished because success breeds success, but only one club wins the flag in any given year and the
exposure to world sport has changed since the world of sport days. I can't help thinking of the add where
the girl goes fishing with grandpa just so she can be a closet Sydney supporter in a Richmond dominated
household, bit of reality there.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I'd hope we don't follow the model of things like the American sports where franchises are moved for economic reasons or the English soccer leagues where many lower league clubs went into administration but the discussion is valid because as we all know the AFL is becoming more and more about the bottom line and supporting tradition only if it helped generate more money. If people for some reason stopped going to Essendon v Collingwood on Anzac Day you can bet the AFL would dump it from the fixture very quickly.

Franchises won't be moved purely for economic reasons, if anything the AFL is redundant without it's it fan base - move a franchise and goodbye fan base. Ask any North fan. The reason it won't put teams like the saints or north to the wayside is because of paying fan base - that's it.

If all things were ok with the fan base to make clubs redundant or move a club for the sake of national comp then HQ would jump on that in a heartbeat - but the fans don't want that.

The AFL has been all about the bottom line ever since professionalism, no "bottom line" and no footy for us or not as we know it. Yeah I get that a few at the top are reaping rewards from it but that doesn't change the fact that the 'bottom line' is a necessary evil.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I wasn't trying to be inflammatory, I was simply answering the question of the title. It's a bit like an opinion peice. Online articles occasionally do it.

And I am being sincere. This is mainly a reaction to the thread about St Kilda.



I'm saying that underperforming clubs shouldn't be abolished, as they have an intrinsic value with their history/players, and sport shouldn't be so commercialised to the point of it being just a moneymaking machine.

Then it's a non thread really then isn't it.

Why post the thread in the 1st place, if it's merely your opinion to say the saints should not abolished?

Sounds like a wish to get rid of teams you don't want (i:e less vic teams) and then a back pedal when there's opposition to it.

 

[Forward Press]

Made the mistake of trying to read the OP and only managed to get through to the comparison with the NBA due to the fact that almost every point in there was blatantly wrong.

OP actually thinks Vic clubs are owned by the AFL.
Btw the closest the AFL has to private ownership is the WCE, ironically enough.

It's a bit of a technicality. Sure, a club like St Kilda could withdraw from the AFL and still exist - but they only exist in its current format because of the existence (and permission) of the AFL. If St Kilda leave to join another league it won't be because it was St Kilda's choice.

Then it's a non thread really then isn't it.

Why post the thread in the 1st place, if it's merely your opinion to say the saints should not abolished?

Sounds like a wish to get rid of teams you don't want (i:e less vic teams) and then a back pedal when there's opposition to it.

I think it's a legitimate discussion as plenty of professional leagues around the world have no reservations in abolishing clubs.

 

[Maylandsman]

“needs to..?” No more than you “need to” read the whole post if you’re going to leap to conclusions.

What conclusions? I concluded after the first few sentences is was not worth reading. Perhaps you can read it for me. Get lit, person doesn’t read ridiculous essay on football forum. Think of the children.

 

[Carringbush2010]

It's a bit of a technicality. Sure, a club like St Kilda could withdraw from the AFL and still exist - but they only exist in its current format because of the existence (and permission) of the AFL. If St Kilda leave to join another league it won't be because it was St Kilda's choice.



I think it's a legitimate discussion as plenty of professional leagues around the world have no reservations in abolishing clubs.

Legitimate in leagues that have population power, the AFL does not have that luxury. If it did you can bet your bottom dollar that the smaller clubs would be gone now in the pursuit of a national comp. More than any other of the prominent world leagues is this one so heavily reliant on a volatile market.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

* AFL clubs have a salary cap to encourage equalisation, NBA (and American sports in general) don't.

I'm going to assume this is a reference to off field spending including the coaching staff, because every major American team sport most certainly does have a salary cap for players.

Other than that, good read. Pity so many fools didn't bother reading it.

 

[Coaster2012]

The more we aren't dreadful American sport the better

Wtf is wrong with American sport? Its responsible for some of the best athletes and spectacles on the planet. Guaranteed your favourite footy players love American sports.

 

[Tim Evans Beard]

Of course they should if it is warranted.

Clubs and team have always folded, been abolished, merged and changed. The 2020 Collingwood is markedly different to the 1892 club. So far removed that a side by side comparison we render the current version unrecognisable from the initial organisation.

New clubs rise, old clubs fall - this is the way.

 

[Kwality]

? I won't explain why none of this is true (again) because it's flogging a dead horse that's been flogged so much it was born again and flogged to death again.

Thats your opinion & many dont agree ..... things have changed since the VFL flicked South Melbourne in 1983 (yes you could go back to the early 1900s if you were dinkum).
YOU've called enough ... very convincing !!

It's not a news article.

I originally only read the opening sentence because it was clearly an opinion piece, came back later. Not unusually with any opinion piece, there is much I agree/disagree with.

 

[Kwality]

Wtf is wrong with American sport? Its responsible for some of the best athletes and spectacles on the planet. Guaranteed your favourite footy players love American sports.

Our likes in sport are a personal thing.
The desire to compare/copy NFL does not interest everyone, but it certainly interests consecutive AFL administrations not always positively imho.

 

[Kwality]

Legitimate in leagues that have population power, the AFL does not have that luxury. If it did you can bet your bottom dollar that the smaller clubs would be gone now in the pursuit of a national comp. More than any other of the prominent world leagues is this one so heavily reliant on a volatile market.

What prominent world leagues are you referring to ?

 

[Carringbush2010]

What prominent world leagues are you referring to ?

NFL, EPL, Bundesligia, - the prominent ones................. at least from an attendance point of view.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Wtf is wrong with American sport? Its responsible for some of the best athletes and spectacles on the planet. Guaranteed your favourite footy players love American sports.

A personal taste but I find them awfully tedious

 

[Back One Out]

There's a lot of things in the AFL that I find less than desirable: the MCG deal... and especially the massive slant towards Victorian teams.

What exactly are you referring to?

Aside from the Grand Final being played at the home of football (a 118 year old tradition which will be a 160 year old tradition when the current contract expires)... apart from that, what's your actual complaint? What "slant" ?

 

[StylesMedia]

Or Merge St. Kilda with VFL Club Frankston and Form a 50-50 Joint Venture With North Melbourne in the AFL, That way the Tasmania Devils will enter League in 2025, I'm Dead Serious about this.

 

[Ok Boomer]

The amount of Victorians posting in the thread who do not have the attention span required to read the OP correctly is unsurprising.

 

[Maylandsman]

The amount of Victorians posting in the thread who do not have the attention span required to read the OP correctly is unsurprising.

The amount of ignorance in this post is unsurprising.

 

[Smithy7]

The more we aren't dreadful American sport the better

Could not agree more.
I just shake my head when I hear commentators use the American Football term .. Quarter Back .. in AFL Football.