Big clubs play three times? Money before integrity.
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telsor
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you still in therapy to deal with the problem ... how many years before you turn the corner ?
I don't consider watching North to be a problem. I enjoy a good laugh.
Topkent
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And Gerard on SEN is trying to charm the racing crowd to move out of early November
I think the mantra behind the scenes is 'never waste a crisis'
If they change the product so much the public might have less hunger to see it back
I think the mantra behind the scenes is 'never waste a crisis'
If they change the product so much the public might have less hunger to see it back
Engimal v3
**** m**nl*nd*rs
"I don't think about North Melbourne" declare Richmond supporters, desperately trying to bring North Melbourne into the conversation for the billionth thread in a row
One can hope,,,, Which is what I am doing. Not worried about idle time of media personalities speculating on their most weird ideas they can think of whilst they bored. Will not even bother reading article as know nothing like this is going to happen. But the real people making real decisions we will find out in time how good they are at looking after our sport. First thing clearly is cutting costs and get rid of excess things not needed which they been doing thankfully. Then cutting salary caps for coming seasons. Anything beyond that is pure speculation and media needing to talk about something or write about something. Until the time we know the game can start again there going to be a lot of stupid articles that so far off reality it will drive you bonkers if silly enough to read them.
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Of course, Tasmania, GBHMDMA, SCG every season - every team's dream run in a comp where ladder position is determined by just minor percentage.
And throw in a NT visit for good measure every second year.
Seems like a recipe to make the big clubs bigger and the smaller ones smaller. so counter productive in the long run
Plus in the Victorian context, eg carlton v collingwood, one of the fixtures gets a much bigger crowd than the other one. crowds overall would be similar, its just more reserved ticket sales
Plus in the Victorian context, eg carlton v collingwood, one of the fixtures gets a much bigger crowd than the other one. crowds overall would be similar, its just more reserved ticket sales
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Can we please just write of this season and start from scratch next.. I am sick of all this rubbish that will compromise the integrity of the contest. There are plenty of other options to increase revenue or cut costs in future seasons to make up for any shortfall but to ruin the next 2 seasons with stupid ideas like this is awful.
telsor
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"I don't think about North Melbourne" declare Richmond supporters, desperately trying to bring North Melbourne into the conversation for the billionth thread in a row
We don't think about them as a football club, but as the butt of jokes, you're right up there.
telsor
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10 games of genuine home ground advantage at the ground with the biggest advantage in the league (except perhaps Geelong, but they don't get as many games)...while your away games are played at grounds you're far more familiar with.
hawkman
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So they end up with some 70-80k crowds and some 15-20k. Or you could structure more fairly and get 40k to most games and it works out nearly the same.
Also the 2nd Richmond Carlton game last yeat only got 51k while the following 2 weeks against WC and then Brisbane they go 57k and then 77k
Also the 2nd Richmond Carlton game last yeat only got 51k while the following 2 weeks against WC and then Brisbane they go 57k and then 77k
telsor
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If you played them at appropriate sized grounds, etc, you could make a bit more money out of that arrangement.
It's still a dumb idea, but it COULD make a bit more money.
Doesnt that depend on the cost structures & in Melbourne some clubs have individual arrangements with the stadiums, others dont & are under an agreement with the AFL.
Are you across the integrity of these agreements in terms of each club? One size should fit all.
Lost me at "Roos great"
telsor
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Cost structures are what I was talking about.
No, no idea what all the individual deals are, but clearly some clubs/grounds would be better than others, and within those differences, the high/low crowd figures could be exploited to maximise revenue as a priority. Who would gain this revenue would also vary (AFL takes a big slice of revenue at MCG/docklands that in other states goes to the clubs after all).
Just saying that 70K & 10K could probably make more money than 40K & 40K if they structured the venue accordingly.
I'm also saying that the cost to integrity would be more than the benefit gained.
telsor
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Don't need to be a genius to point out what is clear to everyone...much as weagles fans like to pretend otherwise with their conspiracy theories.
You continue to be unable to quantify your claim BUT, the clubs involved should be making these numbers public & calling out the AFL.
Clearly the MCC set the deals at the G, as does the AFL at Docklands - nominally these grounds are competitors but the market place is not delivering for the users. Cosy bedfellows?
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Err, no it should be ground- singular, not plural
you like to lump yourself with the marvel tenants when it suits but truth is, non Vics average only 2 games a year on the mcg. Which is what Richmond average on the Adelaide Oval.
everyone holds a familiarity advantage over the marvel clubs, including mcg tenants.
but we also get the added bonus of playing at all the obscure ovals which you get to avoid.
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If you looked you would find no reference to the Eagles, but as you wish.
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Ah, so that's where the scripts Kane Cornes rejects end up.
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Agreed, and with that comes an equal amount of genuine away ground disadvantage.
I'm not one of those dumb West Coast supporters who make absurd insinuations such as Richmond should have more games outside of Melbourne when clearly the G is their home ground and there are 9 teams in Melbourne so of course they are going to leave the state less than an interstate team (although wouldn't mind the burden of Tassie and Geelong shared equally amongst the league).
Luckily there are enough intelligent Tigers supporters who recognise that the lack of true Home games is made up for the lack of true Away games in equal number (as has been conversed with many supporters many a time) and intelligent conversation can be had across the aisle.
I agree we have arguable the biggest Home ground advantages at our fortress during the H/A season (apart from possible Geelong's odd shaped D ).
But is that advantage due to the distance travelled by the Away team? If so then that very next week we have to travel that same media-gushed-over-distance to our away game.
Or is it the Biggest advantage due to Fox Footy team's dubbed 'noise of affirmation' - any other team's supporter bases are invited to also rock up en masse and make a lot of noise also.
Richmond supporters brag about their level of attendance at games constantly, so you may not be as load as us but you are not hard done by in this area.
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If David King wants Richmond to play Carlton and Essendon three times each in a season,
I say game on!
Have beaten them both 10 times in a row
I say game on!
Have beaten them both 10 times in a row
This is all a bit rich coming from a supporter of a team that travels 4 times a year and plays their final 6 games of the 2019 season on not only their home ground but the ground the finals are played on. To seriously think that the Eagles get more home ground advantage than the other teams is ludicrous. It may have been true at Subiaco but Optus Stadium is almost the same dimensions as the MCG. If you are referring to the crowd, then what about the significant crowd advantage that the Melbourne based clubs enjoy in GFs and will continue to enjoy for the next 46 years thanks to the VFL's (oops, AFL's) long term Vic-centric deal with the MCG. Since the inception of the AFL and ground rationalisation, other than the Bulldogs and Geelong, when was the last time a Vic club won a flag away from home. Your final point about the Eagles being more familiar with the away grounds, perhaps that's because we travel more something that the powerful Vic clubs should have to do more of, not just the strugglers like North Melbourne. It was interesting that years ago when NM wanted to play a couple of home games against Eagles and Freo in Perth because they'd make more money than playing in Melbourne, they were prevented from doing so because it offered too great an advantage to the 2 WA based sides.... go figure!
